| The conciousness of water.
Posted: 10/31/2009 1:51:45 PM | Look up the hydrogen fuel cell. Water can be broken down to it's component parts, oxygen and hydrogen. Hydrogen can be used as fuel... Therefor water can be used as fuel.... I found that very beautiful.
Not only can 'two thirds' of the surface of our planet quench our thirst. It can quench the thirst of 'any' vehicle we choose to create that houses a hydrogen fuel cell. Look it up.
Apparently if your car has a hydrogen fuel cell running it, you can 'fill up' with rainwater, urine, snow, lake water.. Even tea lol. Running on nothing but hydrogen from water, your mileage per gallon would double.
Try to forget the selfish reasons why we don't take advantage of this technology and instead marvel at the majesty of water.
If you'd like to comment on this thread, I would urge you to type in the word 'snowflake' into your computer and see what jaw-dropping images it throws your way (cold + water = a stunning symmetry that cannot be ignored).
Water definately has something to do with life, we know that for sure.
What are your thoughts on water? | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 2:15:54 PM | Until more energy efficient methods to extract Hydrogen from water are found, it is not worth it due to the amount of energy requires to separate water into O and H. I am not certain, but I have heard that currently, it takes more energy to make H than the energy that H provides......
Paul K | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 2:16:23 PM | My thoughts on water:
1) It has no consciousness.
2) Extracting hydrogen for fuel cells is prohibitively expensive.
3) Can you say "Hindenburg"?
4) Natural water sources are polluted with dihydrogen monoxide and hydrogen hydroxide. These pollutants kill thousands every year.
5) I hate snow. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 2:29:27 PM | 'Paul K'..//it is not worth it//
From what I have seen, you can buy 'conversion kits' for your current car. They are 'very' reasonably priced and will save you 'thousands' in the long run. The provided manuals say that it is so simple to convert from petrol/gasoline, that the car owner would only need to take half a day off work in order to convert their own vehicle themselves.
I don't mean to offend you Paul.. I'm not sure if you've done a little search on it. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 2:36:58 PM | | Sorry bright, but this has been debunked left, right and center. The "water powered car" just does not and cannot exist. But, if you are so sure it does and the technology is so easily obtained, go ahead and convert your car. Then, get back to us and let us know how it went. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 2:44:06 PM | 'CountIbli'.. My thoughts on your 5 points:
1. It has no conciousness.
.. Type into YouTube 'conciousness of water'. There's some fascinating claims there.
2. Extracting Hydrogen for fuel cells is prohibitively expensive.
.. It was 2 decades ago when we uncovered the technology.
3. Can you say Hindenburg?
.. I'll have a go...... "Hindenburg".
4. Natural water sources are polluted with (blardy, blardy, blardy blah).
.. We wouldn't be drinking it. We'd be pouring it into our cars. It would be unmeasurably better to have water coming out of your exhaust...no??... Better than the choking, poisonous fumes that eminate from oil? Using alcohol would be better than gasoline.
Edit:.. 'stargazer'.. The technology has been around for decades. Look it up.. Sadly, I, like the rest of us am lazy ;). If the motor industry took hold of it, and all the best minds worked at it.. All cars could run with a hydrogen fuel cell. I'd imagine 'big money' petrol has a big say in the development of the technology. That's just my opinion though.
5. I hate snow.
.. Now you've taken the biscuit!!.. I love the snow.. My word man, if I had a snowball in my hand I'd teach you a lesson! | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 3:10:55 PM | Well Bright, if you're looking for an innovator in hydrogen fuel cell technology, here's one of the top ones...
http://www.ballard.com/
Hydrogen fuel cells have been around for ages. Heck, the Space Shuttle systems operate with 'em. However, that's not to say that you're going to be able to extract excess energy from water as in put in energy into dissociating water and oxygen and then using it as a combustion source. There is a little issue of the laws of thermodynamics to overcome.
Edit: And I HATE snow!!!! | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 3:19:06 PM |
Edit: And I HATE snow!!!!
That wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that you have to shovel 50 feet of it every single day, all winter long, year after year after year.....
Add to that the 60 km/h windchill factor.....
Kinda kills the romance of fluffy snow falling christmas morning doesn't it ?
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Posted: 10/31/2009 4:54:05 PM | My thoughts on water:
I love water, cause I am water!
I see the extremes as Fire and Ice - I am the water.
One of my favorite metephores, that actually has some physical truth as well.
A large percentage of us is water. Space is Ice cold. Stars and the sun are burning hot.
Science knows that all carbon based life that we know of, relies on the life of a star coming to an end, and recreating many other lives from the particles of the exploding star! But we also needed to be cooled down before we coulda become the kind of life we see on this perfect planet (at least it was perfect until we started getting to smart for our own good!) | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 4:54:25 PM | What if you compared water to blood, and the earth was the body.
I remember reading an account by a climatologist studying the O to CO2 exchange of the Rain-forest. Once they got the data running, the first thing he said was –Wow---it looks like its breathing!!! Jokingly of coarse…. Or was it ?
What if the earth is alive, just like us ?
It has a body
It uses water to stay alive
It breathes
It has electrical / chemical processes.. Lightening—etc..
‘Maybe’ it thinks as well !!
‘Maybe’ the earth is conscious – but in a different dimension.
My guess is
-- its dimensional vibration is somewhere around 10 hz. ‘Minds of the cave’---Smile..
For some reason we’re taught that--what is beneath us, is less than.
— ‘Maybe’ we shouldn’t | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 5:06:29 PM | 'Stargazer'..//If your looking for an innovator in hydrogen fuel cell technology, here's one of the top ones..//
... Check out 'Hondas' contribution ;). | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 7:04:39 PM | I really hope they don't use water as a fuel supply. I don't even want to think of the ecological damage we might cause because of misuse and overuse.
Try to forget the selfish reasons why we don't take advantage of this technology and instead marvel at the majesty of water.
Yes, water is so simple yet so amazing. Its the most important ingredient in the most important drink on Earth...  | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 7:28:25 PM |
4) Natural water sources are polluted with dihydrogen monoxide and hydrogen hydroxide. These pollutants kill thousands every year
You just said natural water is polluted with water (dihydrogen oxide) and water (hydrogen hydroxide). People may drown in it but nothing else I'm afraid.
But I agree- as I grow older I hate snow too. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 8:05:44 PM | Have you heard of a book called "hidden messages in water"?
If not I think you might like it. If you google it, the search results brings up some images in the book. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 8:23:15 PM | 'Stargazer'..//Link?//
.. I don't have the option to paste links on here, I'm on an iPhone.
Just type in 'Honda/hydrogen fuel cell/car' into YouTube you snow-hater. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 8:59:38 PM | What are your thoughts on water?
You know, I typed in the word, "snowflake".
It only gave a limited supply of information.
However, I am going to go with this...
If things go well, a crystal will start to form and the temperature rises, and the ice starts to melt. Taking one to two minutes, it opens up like a blooming flower.The fifty petri dishes contain the same water frozen at the same condition. However, not all ice grains form from crystals. While the ice in some crystals forms beautiful crystals, ice in other dishes doesn't show any difference at all.
-The True Power of Water ~Masuru Emoto
This is where, you get the "meat" of it...
Or maybe, I am viewing this from a different way, that is totally askew-ed of the original topic... | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 10:18:54 PM |
Maybe’ it thinks as well !!
I'd be willing to be it looks upon mankind as a really bad infection and it's trying to shake us off with everything it's got...earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanoes, you name it :) | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 10:20:30 PM |
Until more energy efficient methods to extract Hydrogen from water are found, it is not worth it due to the amount of energy requires to separate water into O and H
Something that has to be factored into the cost of energy conversion is environmental impact and sustainability. traditionally, these things have not entered into the calculation because those extracting/providing the energy did not attach the cost to the environment. In short, we, the inhabitants of planet earth, were letting them extract from and pollute our environment without billing them for the service of wrecking our "house" a little bit. Once the true costs are factored in, the energy conversion options that are less polluting and/or more sustainable become the more viable solutions to the problem of energy conversion.
I don't think any of us see oil continuing to be our primary source of fuel in general, owing to it's unsustainability and increasing cost (both environmentally and economically) of extraction. Nuclear power is "out" (for autos at least) owing to its cost and potential hazard (talk about "car bombs" lol). While nuclear power in general seems like a clean and economical solution, it must be remembered that there is a significant probability of catastrophe attached to any nuclear plant, and as Chernobyl & Three Mile Island taught us, catastrophic failures can and do occur from time to time (the argument that we won't build them to fail anymore falls apart as no system can be proven as "fail safe" - saying it can't happen anymore because they don't design them that way anymore is like saying no bridges will ever fail because we know how to build them now). So I'd say, long-term, nuclear power generation is probably "out" as well.
This leaves solar, wind, geothermal, tidal and hydroelectric (a form of tidal). Hydroelectric/tidal power, while generally nonpolluting has a significant environmental impact if we have to build dams and flood land, so It ought not be considered the optimum solution (though it is the main solution employed where I live and IS a sustainable resource). Of these options, I'd say solar would be the way to go. There will of course be the problem of building long service life solar collectors at minimal environmental cost, and we have some way to go in achieving these goals, but I would suggest that the goals are quite achievable given sufficient R&D.
In any event, energy taken from a sustainable, non-polluting source can be used to power hydrogen fuel cells, which in their function will also be sustainable and non-polluting. Kinda win-win, I'd say. True, more energy will be required to power the cells than they will generate, but that's just thermodynamics at work; it will always be the case (there are no perpetual motion machines - energy is always lost along the way). For myself, living in an area using non-polluting hydroelectric power, The idea of a plug-in hydrogen fuel cell I can recharge and drive without polluting kinda turns my crank! | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 10:54:28 PM | Oh. I guess we are talking about cars.
I thought we were talking about:
Water definitely has something to do with life, we know that for sure.
What are your thoughts on water?
I think I read too much into this...
Bright, has a knack for posting a thread, that simultaneously questions two varying viewpoints...
I wish I had that knack... | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 11:24:24 PM | | water has no consciousness, it would need a brain. It is just merely molecules swimming about, nothing more..nothing less.. the only intelligent life on this planet are the homo-sapians and other mammals who populate it, end of. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 11:54:39 PM |
Have you heard of a book called "hidden messages in water"?
If not I think you might like it.
utter nonsense written by a crackpot. Referencing a book like this shows a complete inability to distinguish science from pseudoscience. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:01:52 AM |
Major solvent
The universal solvent no less. As to consciousness, there is a school of thought that believes there is a kind of consciousness in all matter. I could be convinced under the right circumstances but so far, the vote's not in just yet. But I never rule out any possibilities unless/until they're disproven to my satisfaction. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:25:38 AM |
there is a school of thought that believes there is a kind of consciousness in all matter
Oh, if these walls could talk. And the floors. And the doors....
What "kind" of consciousness could we be talking about? And how do you define it? What is the proof of it's "intelligence?" These are the questions I would have. | |
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