| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 10/31/2009 5:35:13 PM | All of this red state/blue state business is getting us nowhere fast. Why have this continuous battle between the parties? Is it time to consider a political divorce, separate on a friendly basis and agree to disagree.
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:20:34 PM | | I think California should secede,then it can be a part of Mexico and the conservatives there can enjoy being the illegal aliens. | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:39:57 PM | I think California should secede,then it can be a part of Mexico and the conservatives there can enjoy being the illegal aliens.
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:57:35 PM |
I think California should secede,then it can be a part of Mexico and the conservatives there can enjoy being the illegal aliens.
I think you have it backwards. If CA seceded, we'd take over Mexico. You know those bitter Christian clingers with a Bible in one hand and a six shooter in the other, are fierce. | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 12:16:26 AM |
All of this red state/blue state business is getting us nowhere fast. Why have this continuous battle between the parties? Is it time to consider a political divorce, separate on a friendly basis and agree to disagree.
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Well..... don't let the twenty-first century hit you on your way out the door!
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 1:14:34 AM | | Wisconsin is where I am from and it is kinda a odd state. Technically we are a blue state but that's really only because of the unions. We have fairly light gun laws and our population tends to be fairly conservative. I love it here but I'd move to Montana, Wyoming, Texas or Alaska if we went all "mega liberal". (Good hunting/fishing in those states and Wyoming, Alaska and Texas have no state income tax!) | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 1:49:58 AM | Give the states you took from mexico back.
Sell Alaska back to Russia.
Louisiana back to France, Florida back to Spain.
less hassles all round.
lol.
On a serious note, just change the system of government.
Go to a parliamentary system, the pom style is prob the best. | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 3:40:44 AM | Goodness, sure we have our problems as a nation but then again who doesn't? We have been a great nation because we disagree and have a diverse population with differing points of view. We have simply lost our way in the past few years and seem to have problems coming together in the spirit of compromise to enact laws and policies that reflect the common good.
I sometimes wonder if it is our need to "win at any cost" and "be the best" at everything that makes us look at our leaders and feel that they are weak when they compromise on legislation. This lack of real political debate (not argument or one party dominating the other and pushing their agenda down their throats) and the lost ability to compromise both among the voters and in Washington is what has us off track and polarised.
Is it time to secede? Not on your life!! It is time to regain your pride in being Americans and hold your heads up high. To take positive steps to keeping this the great country she has always been by restoring America as the beacon of light that she once was to the world. The country that had millions of people over the last 200+ years give up EVERYTHING they had just for a chance to reach your shores and make a better life for themselves and their families. I know, my family did it. My mother brought 4 kids to this country 36 years ago and changed my life for the better forever and it pains me that you guys can no longer see that this is still a great county with great people of all races and cultures.
The diverse races and cultures whether in blue or red states are essential to OUR future, in fact I think if you look a little harder you will find we are not really as red or blue inside as we all appear on the outside we have red hearts and blue arms and legs and we all want the same things in the end. We just need to talk to each other and compromise together to get those things. | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 4:43:19 AM | "Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Yes! Yes we should! "
So who is going where? What happens in California after the seccession? For instance do the blue parts of the state get to secede from the red part? How about New York? How about the south? She is blue but many of her citizens may classify themselves as red.. are they forced into relocation camps?
Get real we are all in this together and only together can we come through it and remain a truely great nation.... | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 6:06:17 AM | | So we're not still doing the whole "in a post 9/11 world we all have to stand together" thing? We're a democratic society. We hash out differences at the ballot box. All the secession talk is just forfeiting the game when your team is down a few points. | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 6:23:12 AM | But then what would the red states do to make up for all the money they currently take from the blue states???
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 9:24:50 AM |
All the secession talk is just forfeiting the game when your team is down a few points.
I think both a yes and no can be given to the above statement. I think it depends on how great the divide really is between the two parties. Is it getting to be enough that the differences cannot ever be agreed upon? If so there may be a legitimate cause to look at the factors and weigh them.
An example:
From my point of view, it seems one party wants us to head toward more socialism because we are one of the few (first world) countries that has not done so, yet I truly believe that is the very reason we have remained the superpower we are. Is there a compromise that can be reached on such a proposition? To me it seems to be a very divisive issue.
Is the above a factor that could ultimately cause a civil war? That, I don't know. But coupled with other things it may contribute.
As far as forfeiting the game when down a few points, we'd have to assess how far those on the losing team feel they are down, if there is a chance of a comeback under the current "coach", or if bringing in a new "coach" would be able to bring the game back to a level playing field. All this remains to be seen.
Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with spliting the country into two new nations, I think that way everyone could have exactly what they want and the continuous arguements would go the way of the horse and carraige. I doubt it would happen peacefully even though information I have researched lately has brought to light a few astounding revelations that make me think it could work much more easily than most people think. | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 10:14:08 AM | ^^^^^^^^^^^
You mean it is Blue where all the People live. It gets real Red in Wyoming, Pop 500,000.
The Red state Population will really drop after the Up coming Census...
......Bachmann effect.......... Fewer Reds in Congress.... | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 10:27:30 AM | Here is a satirical look at how it could go.
Jesusland and the United Sates of Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map
Or perhaps not so satirical. | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 4:12:08 PM |
All of this red state/blue state business is getting us nowhere fast. Why have this continuous battle between the parties? Is it time to consider a political divorce, separate on a friendly basis and agree to disagree.
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No problem... the conservatives can have the Gadsden Purchase... for as long as the Mexicans let them keep it... America can be the remaining... | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/1/2009 6:04:09 PM |
All of this red state/blue state business is getting us nowhere fast. Why have this continuous battle between the parties? Is it time to consider a political divorce, separate on a friendly basis and agree to disagree.
The continuous battle is all for show. Don't worry, everything is under control. | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/2/2009 11:30:24 AM |
No problem... the conservatives can have the Gadsden Purchase... for as long as the Mexicans let them keep it... America can be the remaining...
How would one justify such an inequitable distribution? Anyone? | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/2/2009 11:30:35 AM |
No problem... the conservatives can have the Gadsden Purchase... for as long as the Mexicans let them keep it... America can be the remaining...
How would one justify such an inequitable distribution? Anyone? | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/2/2009 11:49:39 AM |
My concern is by whom.
Corporations. Corporations which have all the advantages of personhood but hardly any of the disadvantages. | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:04:48 PM |
How would one justify such an inequitable distribution?
Equitable distribution has nothing to do with it... There is already a functional nation... if you choose not to participate because you don't like where it is going... you get whatever those remaining who DO choose to participate are willing to give you...
Secession isn't simply a matter of "I'm taking my bat and ball and going home"... you don't get to pick and choose the parts you want... | |
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| Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/2/2009 2:38:50 PM |
Equitable distribution has nothing to do with it... There is already a functional nation... if you choose not to participate because you don't like where it is going... you get whatever those remaining who DO choose to participate are willing to give you...
That is very authoritative view that has no Constitutional basis.
States entered into the Union freely and they should be able to vote themselves out.
50% of Americans are now being sustained by the other 50%. This is n0n sustainable in a free society.
The U.S. is technically bankrupt. States may want to secede just for their own financial viability. | |
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