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 susan_cd

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Posted: 11/1/2009 8:52:02 AM
I thought we were all supposed to be treated equally under the law ( hence the old expression "justice is blind" ). Apparently I was mistaken; it appears if you're a Manitoba First Nations chief the rules are different for you.

from the Winnipeg Free Press Oct. 31/09 :


Third drunk driving conviction: Wayway chief spared jail time to attend to band's H1N1 needs :

The chief of a Manitoba First Nation has avoided a jail sentence for his third drunk driving conviction because of his community's battle with the H1N1 flu virus.

Murray Clearsky, 53, was given a month-long conditional sentence this week, which allows him to remain free in the community of Waywayseecappo, located about 300 kilometres northwest of Winnipeg. Crown and defence lawyers cited "special circumstances" in not seeking custody for Clearsky.

"" said Crown attorney Shaun Sass. "Given these special circumstances, it's not contrary to the public interest to let him serve his sentence in the community."

The Crown had originally planned to seek between 14 and 30 days behind bars. Defence lawyer Jay Prober told court Clearsky has a vital public role to serve, which would be severely impacted if he were locked up at this critical time.

Clearsky was charged in December 2007 after his erratic driving caught the eye of RCMP officers doing a highway checkstop in western Manitoba. Clearsky nearly crashed into a vehicle and almost drove into the ditch while fishtailing down the highway, court was told.

Police immediately recognized him and caught a strong smell of alcohol from inside the car. Clearsky's speech was slurred and his face flushed. He was verbally combative with police and had to be restrained and lodged in the holding cells for several hours until he could sober up.

Blood-alcohol tests revealed he was double the legal limit at the time of his arrest.

"He realizes he made a mistake. He was lucky there were no accidents or injuries," said Prober.

Clearsky is the father of three young children, has a Grade 8 education and has been chief at Waywayseecappo since 1986, his lawyer said.

He was convicted in 1983 of refusing a breath sample and given a fine. Clearsky was convicted of the same charge in July 2004 and given a $1,380 fine and year-long driving prohibition. He also has a previous conviction for possession of a dangerous weapon from 1987.

"I know I should have learned from the past. I apologize for what happened," Clearsky told court during his sentencing hearing. "I know it happened quite a while back. I've done a lot of thinking since."

He has been attending Alcoholics Anonymous meetings on the reserve since his arrest.

"I try to do the best I can on behalf of my people. They have a lot of trust in me," he said. "Nobody's perfect. But still, this shouldn't have happened."

Provincial court Judge Lee Ann Martin said Clearsky had failed his community.

"With your role as a chief of the band, the words that come to mind are 'Shame on you,'" said Martin. "You're in a position where people look up to you. People expect you to do better. When you're out in public you need to be stronger. You are the one who needs to be setting the example."

Clearsky must be in his home under a curfew at all times, expect when he needs to attend to reserve business. He must also abstain from alcohol and is banned from driving for the next year.


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Clearsky said he had been at a Christmas party in a neighbouring community and was "stranded" when his driver left early.


Oh, so it's not HIS fault, it's his driver's fault... what a load of ****.

And why is his presence necessary to attend to his band's H1N1 needs? Is he the only person there that's trained on how to administer the vaccine? Whatever the reason he's needed there during the H1N1 threat, why not defer sentencing until that crisis is over then sentence him to custody? Just another example of how the legal system isn't "fair & unbiased".

Using the flawed logic displayed in this ruling, I guess the next time the sole breadwinner of a family commits a crime & is convicted, he (or she) can avoid jail time because
We've crafted a sentence that will allow him to attend to the band and their needs during this H1N1 epidemic


Just substitue the word family for the word band and problem solved.
 printer2

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Posted: 11/1/2009 9:18:55 AM
All parties felt this is the best solution under our justice system.



Crown and defence lawyers cited "special circumstances" in not seeking custody for Clearsky.

"" said Crown attorney Shaun Sass. "Given these special circumstances, it's not contrary to the public interest to let him serve his sentence in the community."



The whole point of having a justice system is to serve the public interest, to keep law and order. He will help with the H1N1 concerns of his community (think of it as community service) and the rest of the time he will be under curfew. The justice system is there to have people see the error of their ways and to smarten up. He may have finally realized it this time as he has let down his community.

Why, what are you trying to say?



Sorry, not sure why the quote box did not work.
 thorndyke

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Posted: 11/1/2009 2:04:21 PM
How will he help the concerns of his community? Can he administer injections - is he a trained needle jabber? Can he oversee vaccination efforts if hes blotto?
 susan_cd

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Posted: 11/1/2009 2:36:38 PM

How will he help the concerns of his community?



Well, maybe they figure since this was his 3rd drunk driving conviction, and now the media is reporting shortages of the vaccine, he'd help out by getting drunk & killing people in his community while driving... & they're hoping he kills people before they've been immunized, thus ensuring an adequate supply of the vaccine....
 susan_cd

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Posted: 11/1/2009 2:40:16 PM

The whole point of having a justice system is to serve the public interest, to keep law and order. He will help with the H1N1 concerns of his community (think of it as community service) and the rest of the time he will be under curfew.


Gee a curfew will work great for him.... 3rd conviction, refusing a breathalyzer on an earlier conviction, and a conviction for possesing a dangerous weapon...


Sorry, he's had enough chances to get his act together, obviously giving him a 2nd, 3rd of however many chances won't work with this guy; he should be incarceerated. That'd be a lesson for his community.
 printer2

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Posted: 11/1/2009 3:38:24 PM
We are talking about the North here. Life is a little more free there.
 susan_cd

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Posted: 11/1/2009 4:32:13 PM

We are talking about the North here. Life is a little more free there.


Funny, I hear about the criminal code of Canada; I never hear about the southern Canada criminal code or the northern Canada criminal code. Bottom line is that with 3 convictions of drunk driving ( never mind the weapons offence conviction) he shouldn't be given "another chance" to gethis act together; he's been given enough chances.

I wonder what the legal system's response will be if this individual gets drunk and drives again and ends up killing somone; will they take a large share of the blame for allowing this individual to be out in the community? Perhaps the ones that decided he could serve his time in his community should also be named as accesories tto mansalaughter should this happen. The story states


Murray Clearsky, 53, was given a month-long conditional sentence this week, which allows him to remain free in the community of Waywayseecappo, located about 300 kilometres northwest of Winnipeg.


Does this mean if he leaves Waywayseecappo during this time he gets jailed?
 Dudleyh45

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Posted: 11/1/2009 11:08:21 PM

We are talking about the North here. Life is a little more free there.


We are talking about a little east of Russell it aint that far north, pretty barren and not much he can harm at WayWay but still i wouldn't consider it north nor remote.

He had 2 convictions for refusing to provide a breath sample, not the same as impaired driving so this is basically a first offence. He may well be needed in the community while they deal with this flu. Someone has to be a leader and convince the people to take the shot if indeed it is necessary.
I think the situation is no different than so many others in the new progressive world and things will get worse yet. To me the problem came about when truth and justice were balanced against relativity. Now we have to work with them in relation to the lives of the perpetrators so there is no absolute truth nor can there be a hard line in law. There are 2 sides to every story and sometimes more yet both sides know the other side to be wrong making truth relative to the individual concept of truth therefore truth is now irrelevant. It is the same when we apply the principle to law, law then becomes irrelevant and thus in time society must fail, as we are seeing.
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