| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/2/2009 2:11:46 AM | I first took note of this congressional race in New York about a week or so ago when I read that Sarah Palin had endorsed the Conservative Party candidate up there. This is what she said on her Facebook page:
"Political parties must stand for something. When Republicans were in the wilderness in the late 1970s, Ronald Reagan knew that the doctrine of 'blurring the lines' between parties was not an appropriate way to win elections. Unfortunately, the Republican Party today has decided to choose a candidate who more than blurs the lines, and there is no real difference between the Democrat and the Republican in this race. This is why Doug Hoffman is running on the Conservative Party's ticket."
Newt Gingrich chose the Republican, Dede Scozzafava, even though she was decried as not conservative enough by Palin and other national Republicans like****Armey and Fred Thompson. By Saturday Scozzafava dropped out of the race, seeing that her likelihood of winning had become very unlikely. Then I heard on the radio Sunday that she decided to endorse her former Democratic opponent, Bill Owens. This NYTimes article about it also describes how the Democrats courted Scozzafava's endorsement for Owens.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/nyregion/02district.html?_r=1&hpw
As you know, last year Arlen Specter changed from Republican to Democrat here in Pennsylvania because the more conservative Pat Toomey was looking like a tough challenger for the Republican nomination in 2010.
So is it good that the GOP seems to be killing off their own moderates to, um, "purify" their brand? Any thoughts about this race and its significance? Thoughts about long term consequences? Predictions on Tuesday's race? | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/2/2009 6:45:05 AM | The Palin PURGE.......... ha .... No Moderates allowed...
When will she break the news to Mitt Romney.... He is not acceptable>>>> and BECK........ Palin's mentor Dobson won't publish his books....
Anyone think a Pat Robertson Grad, Doug Hoffman will endorse a Mormon?
Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Former Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava endorsed the Democratic contender for a vacant New York congressional seat over a Conservative backed by Republican leaders one day after she withdrew from the race. Scozzafava, a state assemblywoman, yesterday announced she is supporting Democrat Bill Owens in his race against Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, in a Nov. 3 special election in New York’s traditionally Republican 23rd congressional district.
Texas is Next.....
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/2/2009 2:00:35 PM | "So is it good that the GOP seems to be killing off their own moderates to, um, "purify" their brand? Any thoughts about this race and its significance? Thoughts about long term consequences? Predictions on Tuesday's race? "
It really has been a long time coming in truth the two parties are so far apart that a party made up of Moderates really is what we need. Maybe one day we will get one if the two party system that seems to have a lock on our politics doeasn't smother and kill it off like it has all recent attempts at 3rd parties. | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/2/2009 3:02:26 PM | .
"So is it good that the GOP seems to be killing off their own moderates to, um, "purify" their brand? Any thoughts about this race and its significance? Thoughts about long term consequences? Predictions on Tuesday's race? "
The Leader of the GOP makes this comment............
From the November 2 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
LIMBAUGH: Scozzafava has screwed every RINO in the coun -- we can say that she's guilty of widespread bestiality. She has screwed every RINO in the country. Everyone can see just see how phony and dangerous they are. You know, 2010 might be a nightmare for PETA. Two animals may become extinct; RINOs and Blue Dog Democrats. Pelosi's gonna kill off the Blue Dogs, and the conservatives are gonna finally get rid of RINOs. The American people have had enough. Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/limbaugh-scozzafava-guilt_n_342535.html
This is not good period......... >>>>>>>>>>>Bestiality>>>>>>>>>>
Is that how a MAN should address any woman? Were she a family member of mine I would Defend her.....
Where are all the Gentlemen and Ladies of the GOP?
Are you willing to battle a Multi Millionaire with a Loud voice.
A Third party......... Never. Too much corporate money.
What would work..... a Bunch of parties...
Instant Run off ... Public Funded elections. | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/2/2009 3:37:12 PM | | This is great! I hope Hoffman pulls out with a victory! But it may not be easy for him. Hoffman has a small lead (in the polls) at the moment but the undecided voters will decide this race at the end of the day. | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/2/2009 5:02:43 PM | Hoffman doesn't live in the district. He has no understanding of local issues. When he was interviewed by a local paper, he was completely ignorant of the district. He then complained that he should have been given the questions beforehand - they had been published in the paper before he was interviewed. If he'd even bothered to read the local paper, he'd have known in advance.
He's running as a fiscal conservative in a district where the biggest employer is the federal government - a big military base. The whole district depends on federal pork barrel. | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/2/2009 6:39:59 PM | Yes, Scozzafava is both pro-choice and supports gay rights.
Seems to me there was a fellow who wrote Conscience of a Conservative and ran for President in 64 who also held those positions. Good thing the GOP is purging such heretics now. | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/2/2009 7:12:58 PM | .
I guess I should hope Hoffman wins............ Scozzafava is some Kind of Sexual Pervert...
It will be interesting to see how those Pork Barrel spending projects work out.......
Newt's Head will explode ..... The John Bircher's will go crazy.... Rick Perry will declare Texas Independent ..... | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/3/2009 9:56:43 AM |
Seems to me there was a fellow who wrote Conscience of a Conservative and ran for President in 64 who also held those positions. Good thing the GOP is purging such heretics now.
Goldwater was a fiscal conservative but a liberal on social issues.
I saw Hoffman on TV last night. He reminds me of Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith goes to Washington. I hope he wins. | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/3/2009 3:03:54 PM | Here's a good article by Frank Rich of the New York Times about this race.
The New York fracas was ignited by the routine decision of 11 local Republican county chairmen to anoint an assemblywoman, Dede Scozzafava, as their party’s nominee for the vacant seat. The 23rd is in safe Republican territory that hasn’t sent a Democrat to Congress in decades. And Scozzafava is a mainstream conservative by New York standards; one statistical measure found her voting record slightly to the right of her fellow Republicans in the Assembly. But she has occasionally strayed from orthodoxy on social issues (abortion, same-sex marriage) and endorsed the Obama stimulus package. To the right’s Jacobins, that’s cause to send her to the guillotine. Sure enough, bloggers trashed her as a radical leftist and ditched her for a third-party candidate they deem a “true” conservative, an accountant and businessman named Doug Hoffman. When Gingrich dared endorse Scozzafava anyway — as did other party potentates like John Boehner and Michael Steele — he too was slimed. Mocking Newt’s presumed 2012 presidential ambitions, Michelle Malkin imagined him appointing Al Sharpton as secretary of education and Al Gore as “global warming czar.” She’s quite the wit.
The wrecking crew of Kristol, Fred Thompson,****Armey, Michele Bachmann, The Wall Street Journal editorial page and the government-bashing Club for Growth all joined the Hoffman putsch. Then came the big enchilada: a Hoffman endorsement from Palin on her Facebook page. Such is Palin’s clout that Steve Forbes, Rick Santorum and Tim Pawlenty, the Minnesota governor (and presidential aspirant), promptly fell over one another in their Pavlovian rush to second her motion. They were joined by far-flung Republican congressmen from Kansas, Georgia, Oklahoma and California, not to mention a gaggle of state legislators from Colorado. On Fox News, Beck took up the charge, insinuating that Hoffman’s Republican opponent might be a fan of Karl Marx. Some $3 million has now been dumped into this race by outside groups.
Who exactly is the third-party maverick arousing such ardor? Hoffman doesn’t even live in the district. When he appeared before the editorial board of The Watertown Daily Times 10 days ago, he “showed no grasp” of local issues, as the subsequent editorial put it. Hoffman complained that he should have received the questions in advance — blissfully unaware that they had been asked by the paper in an editorial on the morning of his visit.
Last week it turned out that Hoffman’s prime attribute to the radical right — as a take-no-prisoners fiscal conservative — was bogus. In fact he’s on the finance committee of a hospital that happily helped itself to a $479,000 federal earmark. Then again, without the federal government largess that the tea party crowd so deplores, New York’s 23rd would be a Siberia of joblessness. The biggest local employer is the pork-dependent military base, Fort Drum.
The right’s embrace of Hoffman is a double-barreled suicide for the G.O.P. On Saturday, the battered Scozzafava suspended her campaign, further scrambling the race. It’s still conceivable that the Democratic candidate could capture a seat the Republicans should own. But it’s even better for Democrats if Hoffman wins. Punch-drunk with this triumph, the right will redouble its support of primary challengers to 2010 G.O.P. candidates they regard as impure. That’s bad news for even a Republican as conservative as Kay Bailey Hutchison, whose primary opponent in the Texas governor’s race, the incumbent Rick Perry, floated the possibility of secession at a teabagger rally in April and hastily endorsed Hoffman on Thursday.
There is more, it's a good read, check it out.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/opinion/01rich.html?_r=4&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/4/2009 7:02:13 AM | And a seat that's been Republican for 100 years is now held by a Democrat.
How's that "Ideological Purity" thing working for the GOP? | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/4/2009 9:00:45 AM | | I notice the media story line is how the GOP had a sweep because they won in historically conservative places like Virginia. In reality the put all of their muscle into the New York race and got nowhere. | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/4/2009 3:20:20 PM |
I saw Hoffman on TV last night. He reminds me of Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith goes to Washington. I hope he wins. I guess he didn't ... eh?
Oh well ... better luck next time ... | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/4/2009 5:32:26 PM |
I guess he didn't ... eh?
Oh well ... better luck next time ...
There are plenty of people that didn't win their first time out including Lincoln. | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/4/2009 9:03:14 PM | Well, the Dumbocrat may have won, but in the end, what I noticed was...Dumbocrat: 49% of the vote...Conservative + Republican: 51% of the vote.
It illustrates the job in front of Steele and the party leadership to do exactly that...lead.
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/5/2009 4:34:41 AM | Its a good thing that the President Obama did not did not travel to up-state New York and campaign for the Democrat Bill Owens. The two state Governors that he did campaign for were both defeated.
Note to self for future re-elections- Don't let the President campaign for you.
In the end this NY-23rd was a special election. Maybe some people who normally vote Republican were unaware that the Republican dropped out and they were "throwing their vote away" by voting Republican like they normally do. Or maybe they just did not like the Democrat or the Conservative. We will never know. Let's see who gets elected in NY-23 when the real elections and campaigns take place. But congratulations to everyone who won-Republicans and Democrats | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/5/2009 10:00:41 AM | Ann Coulter said
The media will try to rescue health care by talking about nothing but the 23rd district of New York, where the Democrat won Tuesday night. Congratulations, Democrats -- you won a congressional seat in New York! Next up: A Catholic elected pope!
Far from an upset, the Democrats' winning the 23rd district was a long-term plan of the Obama White House. That's why Obama made John McHugh, the moderate Republican congressman representing the 23rd district, his Secretary of the Army earlier this year. The Democrats thought McHugh's seat would be easy pickings.
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/5/2009 10:09:24 AM |
Ann Coulter said
The media will try to rescue health care by talking about nothing but the 23rd district of New York, where the Democrat won Tuesday night. Congratulations, Democrats -- you won a congressional seat in New York! Next up: A Catholic elected pope!
This is a seat that has elected a Republican for over a century. It may be the single safest Republican seat in the nation. They stayed true through Roosevelt (despite the fact that Roosevelt was Governor of New York), through Truman, through Kennedy; they kept sending Republicans who didn't vote to impeach Nixon and who did vote to impeach Clinton.
But when the GOP goes into crazy LaLa land, they hold their noses and vote Democratic. This shows that Palin, Beck et al are totally out of touch with Republican voters. If they dictate the direction of the party, the party will lose safe seats everywhere. | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/5/2009 12:30:25 PM | Hoffman was hobbled by a Republican Central Committee who made a very poor selection. Hoffman had the disadvantage of having to split his vote with Republicans.
Whenever there is a three candidates running, it has a detrimental effect on the candidate who has to split their vote. Common sense eh? | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/5/2009 12:33:19 PM | Hoffman was hobbled by a Republican Central Committee who made a very poor selection. Hoffman had the disadvantage of having to split his vote with Republicans.
Whenever there is a three candidates running, it has a detrimental effect on the candidate who has to split their vote. Common sense eh?
He also had to contend with the fact that Newt Gingrich made a serious error and supported his RHINO opposition. Then the RHINO threw her support to the Democrat candidate.
If Hoffman ran against the Democrat head to head things may have been different. | |
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| Upstate NY congressional seat battle Posted: 11/5/2009 3:17:55 PM | Hoffman was hobbled by a Republican Central Committee who made a very poor selection.
I am not sure how Hoffman was hobbled by the RCC since he wasn't running as a Republican.
If Hoffman ran against the Democrat head to head things may have been different.
If Hoffman had stayed out, the Republican would have won and you could have been crowing about winning all three of these elections. Instead the wingnuts stick their noses in where they don't belong and manage to piss off enough NY23 Republicans, most of them women to elect the Democrat.
The lesson here is that not everyone wants to be part of the hard right alliance that Palin, Limbaugh and Beck have come to represent. You talked in another post of compromise. To those three, compromise is akin to surrender. | |
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