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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:42:17 PM |
Calgary Flames Get H1N1 Vaccine Ahead of Priority Groups
Posted by admin on Nov 3rd, 2009 //
Members of the of the Calgary Flames organization and their families have been vaccinated against the H1N1 virus in a private clinic while thousands of Albertans were in line to receive the vaccine, or were even denied.
Ken King, president of the NHL club said the players and their families have received their vaccines Friday. He said that the organization had contacted the health services in Alberta and asked a health clinic is available to him.
“They (the players) followed the direction of our medical staff and our organization. We sought counsel and guidance on this matter and determined it appropriate given the facts available at the time. We accept full responsibility for our actions and decision,” the club said in a statement Tuesday.
This revelation comes as the Alberta government is increasingly criticized for the way he managed the program of vaccination against influenza H1N1. It was interrupted this weekend.
Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach said he had ordered an investigation when his government must deal with a shortage of vaccines.
“I can’t speculate on what happened, but we will have a fuller report very shortly,” Stelmach said Tuesday.
the scab cant speculate what happened? time for stelmach to take a long jump off a short pier id say
how incompetant can he be?
anyone can see that the rich hockey players have chosen to jump the lines ahead of women and children even ,in a vain atempt to protect themselves and their families, regardless of how it affects the greater populace
these are the types of scabs that would have pushed the children back below the decks on the titanic and grabbed their place on the life rafts
and to think some people actually support these animals
maybe when you are purchasing or attending the next hockey game, and your child or parent has gotten severely ill because these scabs took the shot that had ben denied to one that was designated to recieve it, remember it and show your team support in a more appropriate manner than cheers. perhaps toss a bag of dog crap on the ice! | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:23:04 PM | Initial radio reports are saying the team purchased the vaccine from the supply company.
The big Brew-ha-ha isn't that they are "Line Jumpers" so much as the fact a private company was able to privately acquire the H1N1 vaccine.
My personal opinion I'm not moved to any degree about it. The Flames paid for the vaccine, The pharmaceutical company has the right to sell it to whomever they wish - That's called a free market. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:35:26 PM | There are plenty of organizations that have either contemplated or done the same thing. The public school board here was considering doing exactly that for its staff... not for the students, but for the school board staff. Last word I heard was that thery decided against it, but the option was there.
I think this will prove to have nothing to do with "jumping queue" once the investigation is completed. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 5:48:20 AM | i dont recall hearing the drug company letting the restof the people in on the secret of being able to "purchase a vaccination"
maybe i missed that television advertisement. or was it in a newspaper flyer?
as far as innoculating teachers........... dude they are front line people, they will be subjected to the disease first.
they arent some glorified entertainers making millions of dollars a yr to skate around and make rich people richer. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 5:59:13 AM | | So you want people who mostly live in Calgary who are constantly on planes, in the public and travelling around NA and exposed to thousands to NOT have the shot first?... Sorry, I feel safer knowing that the flames and the homeless have the shot just because their ability to spread the affliction is far superior to my own... | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 6:01:05 AM |
as far as innoculating teachers........... dude they are front line people, they will be subjected to the disease first.
UImmm... "dude"... show me where teachers are getting preferential treatment. They aren't. The local school board was looking at purchasing the drug privately, just like the hockey team did.
And really, when you talk about "front line people"... A hockey team such as the Calgary Flames plays in front of 18,000 poepe a night. That's about as "front line" as you can get | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 6:23:02 AM | actually rbg, that was aimed at a comment you made in your comment, as you mentioned teachers
hockey players arent front line, or even societally important, unlike teachers
and it wasnt just the hockey guys that got the shot, their families got it as well.
the school board apparently had the good sense to know what bad publicity it would have been to jump the lines
after watching the newsand how they made people stand in line for 12 hrs only to get turned away
do you honestly expect anyone to believe that flu shots were being offered to public any faste if they paid in cash?
pesonally i never heard one advertisement to back up that claim , not on tv or the newspaper
it was apparently offered however to the rich , since they are apparently more worthy of vacciations
the 18000 people you speak of , arent even in the danger zone of getting the flu in a deadly state , apparently if you watch the news, it attacks children, so i doubt a hockey game has anywhere near 18 000 unemployed children at it , plus , they are separated from the crowds, and , their families, arent even required to be present at the games , so innoculating their entire families......... ahead of other families, is line jumping, regardless of how or who pays for it.
how about all the other tens of thousands of actual working people that board planes and travel across na every day?there are plenty that do it alot more often than some lousy hockey player
id have felt safer if they just cancelled the games and didnt take the risk , that would have made people safer. not showing a public bias towards the elite wealthy
pretty amusing how you feel safer when hockey players are innoculaed ahead of your neighbors children, guess it shows where your priorities are.
i suppose tho
that if you have any basis of reality, we will soon see all hockey teamsand their families getting in ahead of the rest of the populace to get this flu shot
if your wrong tho , the rest of them will have far more class than to line jump
time will tell | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 7:10:20 AM | We have a void where leadership should be in our health care system (and province) and that is what has allowed this to happen and why we have a bunch of people with no self control vaccinated while those in high risk groups and front line workers go un-innoculated.
It's pretty basic stuff - you identify the critical services for your society and the most vulnerable (and highest cost to care for) and get those people immunized. It would take a grade 5 student half an hour to formulate a better plan than the Alberta gov't came up with by reading the WHO website. Front line workers still haven't been identified as being a target for innoculation.
I hope people are reminded of this debacle the next time we have to choose new 'leaders' both provincially and federally. No one seems to be driving the bus but lots of people are pointing their fingers. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 7:11:18 AM | personally, I think the Alberta gov't is secretly glad of this Flames thing...takes some of the heat off them for their (& AHS) gross mis-management of the delivery of the vaccine to the public.
So.. ayup.. keep yattering about how the Flames & family jumped que and let the gov't off the hook.....
me... whether they are hockey players or not, whether they make a Kzillion $ or not, they are 'people' and given the opportunity to safeguard themselves and their families, they did it!
And, if people are honest with themselves, so would you!
JMHO | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 7:38:12 AM | | An investigation is being done by AHS so obviously there is something fishy. With supplies running low I think it was a very selfish and bad choice on their part. None of them are high risk. None of them are under 5. None of them are pregnant. They are all healthy young men that are in most likely the lowest risk group. As for their families... they should have had to line up like the rest of us. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:28:19 AM | From what they're saying on the radio this morning, the team doctor called AHS and asked them if they could get the shots. AHS said yes, and set it up for them. If anyone dropped the ball in this, it's AHS, not the Flames organization. The team doctor did what he was supposed to do, he looked after his own team.
Of course, for some people, anyone the least bit successful, or in this case, on the ball enough to make a phone call, has to be the bad guy.
That's what's wrong with this country in a nutshell. It's like a bunch of kids with a box of Smarties. "HE GOT ONE MORE THAN ME !!!!"
Worry about yourself, not what other people are doing. If you're high risk, you should have been in line last week. If you're not, it's not your turn and you have nothing to **** about. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 8:33:08 AM | Here, let me say it. The reason the Flames got the shot is because it's in the best business interests of a business to get the shot. It's called buying your way to health
Now before you go spouting off about how "wrong" this is, consider that we all do the same thing. You're going to tell me that folks in wealthy countries don't have better health care systems (Cuba aside) because they have money? Whether you pay cash or with taxes, you're still paying.
To some poor kid in Sudan dying at 7 years old..we're not much different than a Calgary Flame, are we. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:52:52 AM | ^^^ Me too. 2 thumbs up
whether they are hockey players or not, whether they make a Kzillion $ or not, they are 'people' and given the opportunity to safeguard themselves and their families, they did it!
And, if people are honest with themselves, so would you!
Yup! | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 10:06:23 AM | The main culprit in this debacle has since retired.
The Liberal government under Jean C. set it up that only one company that manufactured in Canada would be able to supply the nation with a vaccine in case of a pandemic situation, and over the past few years have gotten an annual payments from the $ 323, 000.00 and are just now making the vaccine, and getting paid for it too!!
We are now blaming everyone but the right people.
Yes, the present governments could have distributed the vaccine in a better fashion, the AHS could have set up their criteria in a better fashion, but it all boils down to a couple of things
patience and the ability to maintain your current health. Eventually most that want to have the shot will get it, and don't forget the "Seasonal" shot that also has to be gotten.
Our tax dollars were mismanaged in 2000, now we are finding out just how badly. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 12:17:22 PM | ROFL... typical western response blaming a Liberal government... because tax dollars are being so well used now!...
"Conservative claim: Conservatives blame their multi-million dollar single source vaccine contract on the previous Liberal government, and blame their supplier for delays.
The facts: The Liberals built up Canada’s domestic capacity to make it possible to produce pandemic influenza vaccine domestically. The 2001 pandemic vaccine contract with Shire Biologics required the company to be constantly ready to make and sell pandemic flu vaccine to Canada, while still allowing vaccines to be ordered from other manufacturers in case of a tight supply. The 2004 Canadian Pandemic Influenza Plan stated, “Multiple suppliers should be considered in the planning process.”
In 2007, Conservative Health Minister Tony Clement revised the pandemic vaccine contract with GlaxoSmithKline and could have insisted upon multiple suppliers. Chief Public Health Officer Dr. David Butler-Jones confirmed yesterday that the government can order more vaccine from other suppliers. It failed to do so." | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 12:35:21 PM |
set it up that only one company that manufactured in Canada
Dude, Glaxo makes the stuff. They're worldwide.
PS. On a side note....this morning coming into work, I met the dealer that works my block. He's selling Tamiflu now. Told me sales are way up. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 2:04:56 PM | I would like to have seen what would happen if any of the Flames players showed up at the local clinic to get their shot. I am sure that all the people waiting in line would just leave them alone. For some reason this just feels like a non story to shift the criticism off of the fact that those responsible for distributing the shots screwed up. The only people that should have gotten the first round of shots are those in the high risk groups. Then those in the lower risk groups should have been next. The fact that the Flames got the shots mean nothing compared to the overall mismanagement of this whole program. How many people are there in the Flames organization? I am willing to bet that there isn't more then 100. That is less than .01% of Calgary's population. That isn't putting a dent in the number of shots that should have been ready.
A quick edit. The players for the Flames had nothing to do with setting up the shots. Do not blame them for anything. If your boss came up to you and said "hey, come get your flue shot" you would go. The players also do many apperances where they are surounded by children, eldrely, and other people. How would you feel if a Flame gave some kid in the hospital H1N1? | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 3:22:37 PM |
I would like to have seen what would happen if any of the Flames players showed up at the local clinic to get their shot. I am sure that all the people waiting in line would just leave them alone. For some reason this just feels like a non story to shift the criticism off of the fact that those responsible for distributing the shots screwed up.
That's what I think too. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 3:39:41 PM | So what, big deal. So the the team paid for the flu shots. Do you realize the revenue this team brings to Calgary AND Alberta?
Yeah, I'm all for them having the flu shots.
If the Gov. had their shitt together, they would have had clinics opened for JUST kids and pregnant moms for the first few days, so that healthy people weren't sukin up all the free vaccines. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 4:04:39 PM | | According to the news today... the team did not pay for their own H1N1 vaccines and they got "preferential treatment" while others were being turned away when the clinics were shut down early on Friday due to dwindling supply. They fired the most senior member of AHS that was involved in the situation. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 4:44:46 PM |
If you're high risk, you should have been in line last week. If you're not, it's not your turn and you have nothing to **** about.
Ok, so tell me, how many employers are willing to let their employees take a day off to stand in line for hours on end, and not be guaranteed to get the shot before the clinic closes?
How about parents with very young kids? I know there's no way in hell I'd take my 11 year old to stand in line for hours, can't imagine how parents with one or more young children do it.
What about opening more clinics so more people can get thru without having to stand in line for hours on end with strangers and risk exposing themselves to the virus.... wow, what a novel idea!!
Open your eyes man, for some people, it's not so easy to go stand in a line for hours at a time.
They fired the most senior member of AHS that was involved in the situation.
I just heard this on the news too Di, and I'm glad they fired the guy. Why should they get preferential treatment? At the end of the day, they're not different then you and should be made to stand in the same bloody line ups as the rest of us. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 5:21:36 PM | How about firing the most senior person that screwed up the distribution in the first place. Your right, the Flames are no better then you or me. But they are different. They are different in that they have celebrity status and would cause an major situation if they showed up at a clinic to stand in line. Again, I stand by my statement that this is a non issue put forth to take the heat off of the real issue. The lack of leadership and organization in getting the shots out in the first place.
And one more thing. This isn't a fair world people. Some people get preferential treatment. Get over it. There is no such thing as a utopian society where everyone is treated the same. It doesn't exist. Oh, and there were regular folks jumping the line as well. Some people were holding spots for their friends. I guess they need to be named and vilified too. Everyone, pick up your stones. It is time to make them pay.
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Posted: 11/4/2009 5:36:36 PM | So what, they're 'celebrities'... big whoop de do... so leave a clinic open a bit later for them and their families after others have gotten their shots. The only difference here is they make way more money then the majority of us do.
The lack of leadership is the issue here, I agree, and I hope heads roll the way this whole thing was handled, but that still doesn't change the fact that non celebrities and their children are getting sick.
So why don't you tell the people who have little kids (high risk remember?) that have H1N1, that they don't matter because they don't make millions a year, tell them life is not fair. I have a friend who told me tonight that her little toddler nephew has it... why not try telling that child's mother to 'get over it'... Dare ya. | |
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