| Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future?
Posted: 11/6/2009 7:56:58 AM | Sounds far-fetched, but interesting all the same:-
"Forget the far-fetched belief that it will create a black hole, two distinguished physicists have gone even further claiming nature itself is stopping the troubled £4.4billion project from getting off the ground.
In a theory reminiscent of the time travelling film Back to the Future, the theoretical physicists Holger Nielsen, from Denmark, and Masao Ninomiya, from Japan, have concluded that its discoveries could be so "abhorrent to nature" that they are coming back to stop their own creation.
They have outlined their thoughts in a series of papers with titles like “Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal” and “Search for Future Influence From LHC.”
The pair's hypothesis centres around the Higgs Boson, a mysterious tiny particle and building block of life that it is hoped the LHC will discover.
They have come up with a theory that it will "ripple backward through time" and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather."
Read more:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6318034/Could-the-Large-Hadron-Collider-be-held-back-by-its-own-future.html | |
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| Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future?
Posted: 11/6/2009 11:36:24 AM | | I read their first paper a couple weeks ago, and it was rubbish. Really hard to believe it was written by two distinguished physicists. It almost comes off as a joke. It's a really entertaining concept, and I was hilariously excited to hear about it, but I also knew I had to read up on it after all of the news reports were going crazy over it. It's garbage. | |
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| Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future?
Posted: 11/6/2009 12:21:48 PM | Complex machine with thousands of individual components has technical problems and this is surprising how? The delay? Well, when you have parts that you have to chill to near absolute zero, you're not going to do that in a day. In fact, it may take weeks or months to take it down to temp, detect the problem, bring it up to safe temp, fix the problem then bring back down to operating temp.
Let's start with the logical answers first, before we start careening off into extreme territory. | |
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| Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future?
Posted: 11/8/2009 10:33:58 AM | firstly, yeah these guys are morons.
however, there claims are not that far fetched.
the LHC is based on trying to find a number of particles such as (ideally) a gravitron and the higgs boson.
the gravitron is the 'element of gravity'. its a concept theory springing from string theory.
some string theorists claim that the strings that make up the universe could stretch to become branes, which could encompass the size of a universe. these branes would explain why gravity s such a weak force, because it can permeate the branes. the same could, in thoery, be said about the higgs boson. because when it deteriorates into other particles, it could simply be permeating into another brane or dimentionality.
in theory (there isnt much more than theory in string theory.) the branes could function in different temporal realities as well. this would mean that a form in another temporal space could interact with ours, or prevent interaction depending on the relational aspects of these things.
but, that beign said, this claim is a hugely far fetched one. completely out there and highly unlikely.
it took one man more than 23 years watching the same millionth of a millimeter of space to finally assess where a black whole would be. it sounds like these guys are just impatient. | |
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| Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future?
Posted: 11/8/2009 4:28:12 PM | | I doubt that's what is going on. Probably got their wires wrong in all those miles of cable. But, it is entirely conceivable that the discovery of the Higgs boson or some other discovery of the LHC, might eventually lead to a time-line that results in a paradox. It has been suggested many times that if a time paradox happens, then the universe will somehow have to make itself consistent. Stopping some relevant event that causes the time paradox from happening, might be a way of stopping it from ever occuring. That potentially could be what's happening here. But how on Earth would we know? If we did know, then we'd have the knowledge of the paradox, and the way of making it happen, and then at some point, someone would make it happen. So, along with the supression of the paradox, the knowledge of how the paradox arises must be suppressed, and with it, the knowledge that a paradox is caused in the first place. So if the LHC did cause a time paradox, we wouldn't even know. All we'd see is that the LHC wouldn't work. | |
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| Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future?
Posted: 11/8/2009 5:49:50 PM | Sounds like they were hitting the bong a little too hard.
It reminds me of the X files episode where a physicist from the future goes back in time to kill himself and other researchers whose research eventually leads to
ubiquitious time travel with horrible results. Who knows, the Universe is a strange
place. Maybe someone from the future IS trying to tell us something. | |
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| Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future?
Posted: 11/9/2009 8:07:54 AM |
LHC "bird-bread" strike
From CERN, Nov. 6, 2009
On Tuesday, Nov. 3, a bird carrying a baguette bread caused a short circuit in an electrical outdoor installation that serves sectors 7-8 and 8-1 of the LHC. The knock-on effects included an interruption to the operation of the LHC cryogenics system. The bird escaped unharmed but lost its bread.
Funny, but not too unusual for a facility this size.
At Fermilab we've had similar failures caused by snakes, mice, raccoons, squirrels, birds, coyotes and sadly, humans.
Never by a baguette, though. | |
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