| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 9:53:53 AM | An American Major shouting "God is great" yesterday killed over a dozen soldiers and wounded over 30 more. This is the second time recently that something like this has happened. Last week several British soldiers were also killed by "one of our own". There are so many questions on so many levels about this. I don't begin to presume that I can think of them all. But it seems that we must come up with answers to keep these things from happening.
As one who has a very personal stake in it, I'd love to hear your opinions on what questions should be asked or what answers should be given. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:29:23 AM | I wonder why a psychiatrist, the very person with the tools to deal with issues that lead to these kinds of events, didn't seek assistance in a manner that would resolve his issues.
I also wonder at the circumstances around his wanting out of the military and what was being done about that.
I don't think there are any answers to keep things like this from happening... but we should be able to reduce the occurence by recognizing the signs that some put forth that there is a serious issue forming. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:30:05 AM |
An American Major shouting "God is great" yesterday killed over a dozen soldiers and wounded over 30 more. This is the second time recently that something like this has happened. Last week several British soldiers were also killed by "one of our own". There are so many questions on so many levels about this. I don't begin to presume that I can think of them all. But it seems that we must come up with answers to keep these things from happening.
As one who has a very personal stake in it, I'd love to hear your opinions on what questions should be asked or what answers should be given. The British soldiers were not killed by "one of [their] own." They were killed by a Taliban spy or infiltrator. The Fort Hood masacre? How about waiting to see what it's all about instead of trying to determine the 'facts' based on speculative and overzealous media reporting? Give it some time for the facts to come out. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 11:18:01 AM | | My understanding is that the Afghan policeman who shot the British soldiers had been trained by them and was operating in conjunction with them. If he was not "one of our/their own", he was at least supposed to be "on our side" I would think. The Fort Hood shooter has been called "one of our own" in several newscasts already. But this brings up just one of many questions, which is, what in tarnation is the media's definition of "one of our own"? Should it only refer to the common uniform one wears? Should it not also refer to common goals/values? And how do we go about verifying who really is one of our own, and not a fifth column mass murderer? | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 11:25:14 AM |
Should it not also refer to common goals/values?
What are the common goals that would make him one of yours? Is there are standing list of goals and values that would make someone not one of yours? Is there 10 items on the list and if they only have 8 does that make them not one of yours? Please explain.... | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 12:18:44 PM | I live just south of Ft. Hood about an hour, by Texas standards, that's not far away. The only question, to me, is why.. But, I don't know what kind of answers you expect, to explain a tragic event such as this, some things are just beyond understanding..
The people in my area that I've talked to, are all feeling as I am,, we're all just extremely sad.
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 12:37:57 PM | It is unspeakably sad.
The army has to take some responsibility for this, too.
I know it is hectic for them, with deployment in several places and constant training, but this kind of thing happens more when someone is stuck in the same exact routine all day everyday for far too long. The wear should have been noticed a great many times leading up to this. I also wonder if any personal issues added to the stress he was under. I know that the psychiatrists are so hard pressed that the basic psyche evaluations are being done by the platoon seargents. My son has to do them routinely.
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:12:16 PM | Question #1. Was the ramage politically or personally motivated? Or a combination of both.
Answers can be found by scouring the defendants personal belongings, notes, journals, communications, etc. It would probably be neccessary to go back many years in this endevour as it is entirely possible that he was a one man sleeper unit designed to infiltrate and await a particular time or instruction. It would be nessessary to examine every aspect of the crime and the person.
Question #2. If the even was found to be politically motivated then the next question would be whether he was working alone or in concert with others.
Question #2. If the event was found to be personally motivated then the next question would be to examine what could have led him to loose it. Was he harrassed at work? This is quite possible considering the current political climate. Was he overworked? What were the triggering factors?
Question #3. What can we do to prevent further such events? It is important to note that this event could (if personally motivated) be an inevidable part of a whole trend of symptoms that indicate high levels of stress within the armed forces; suicides, murders, etc.
Question #4. What is this events place in the greater scheme of things? The event must be contextualized. Was this a case of going postal? When work is so mechanical, so regulation bound that the human mind finds no meaning or input to make. Or was this a case of bullying and ultimate revenge?
We should all refrain our judgement until pertinent facts emerge. There certainly are numerous plausible scenarios. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:21:28 PM | There have been reports over here the soldier in question had been begging his superiors not to deploy him overseas in Afghanistan, his family said it was his 'worst nightmare'.
I would suggest if he was a devout muslim and felt this way, the exact LAST thing he should have done was join the United States Army. With Afghanistan and Iraq being the major two theatres of armed conflict for the US, his chances of being sent to either one would have been a sure bet one would think.
I'm just wondering what would prompt somebody who is devoutly muslim to join a predominantly christian army engaged in wars where the overwhelming majority of casualties are muslim? | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:21:57 PM |
The army has to take some responsibility for this, too.
Very true! I wonder how many Hasan shot and how many were shot by 'friendly fire', something the American forces happen to be totally brilliant at!
He shot (reportedly) 42 people with 2 guns that hold, at most 20 shots, each. Even if he was the World's best marksman and scored a hit every time, which is fairly unlikely you have to admit, then at least 2 people were hit by 'friendly fire'..... more likely half of them were! | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:35:09 PM | He shot (reportedly) 42 people with 2 guns that hold, at most 20 shots, each. Even if he was the World's best marksman and scored a hit every time, which is fairly unlikely you have to admit, then at least 2 people were hit by 'friendly fire'..... more likely half of them were!
Negative.
It is standard practice to...change magazines...when you run out of ammo...and continue firing. I am sure if I can do it, a Major in the US Armed Forces can press the mag-release, drop the mag, insert a new mag, pull back on the charging handle/slide/whatever, and continue on.
Another point to consider is that some shots could have hit more than 1 person, such as if one person were struck in the arm, etc.
Your logic is not based on fact. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:51:35 PM | The Fort Hood Shooter from my understanding was a member of the religion of peace. The same peaceful religion that sent people to airports on 911 to turn passenger planes into bombs.
He might have worn the same uniform as our many brave men and women in uniform, but he certainly was not one of our own.
I wonder if this is just a beginning? | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:58:31 PM | I know it is hectic for them, with deployment in several places and constant training, but this kind of thing happens more when someone is stuck in the same exact routine all day everyday for far too long. The wear should have been noticed a great many times leading up to this. I also wonder if any personal issues added to the stress he was under. I know that the psychiatrists are so hard pressed that the basic psyche evaluations are being done by the platoon seargents. My son has to do them routinely.
Well, if we didn't have so many liberal minded anti-defence people in our nation. More people would join the Armed Forces and reduce the work load of the hero's who are serving. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:59:41 PM | WMBOYDSP
Whoa there cowboy... while it is true that tensions are high between much of the Muslim world and the United States let us not forget that if he were Christian we could have brought up the genocide of the Americas, the crusades, televangelists, etc.
Though I do agree that the incident is troubling. We should not panic and assume things. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 2:07:45 PM |
The Fort Hood Shooter from my understanding was a member of the religion of peace. The same peaceful religion that sent people to airports on 911 to turn passenger planes into bombs.
Yeah... yeah... yeah... just like Timothy McVeigh and abortion clinic bombers are shining examples of Christianity. Every religion suffers from its share of fanatics. The Muslim community has already denounced this soldier's actions... while asking for extra protection at local mosques cuz they remember 9/11 too and what happened afterward. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 2:58:30 PM |
Though I do agree that the incident is troubling. We should not panic and assume things. That was the whole purpose of this thread. This thread was created so that people could start making links to the shooting incidents and to attack Muslims, to create racis paranoia and hatred. The fact is quite, quite clear that the shooter of the British solides in Afghanistan was a Taliban spy and infiltrator, yet the OP wants to insist he was 'one of their own.' | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:26:54 PM |
The Fort Hood Shooter from my understanding was a member of the religion of peace. The same peaceful religion that sent people to airports on 911 to turn passenger planes into bombs.
He might have worn the same uniform as our many brave men and women in uniform, but he certainly was not one of our own.
I wonder if this is just a beginning?
Well, if we didn't have so many liberal minded anti-defence people in our nation. More people would join the Armed Forces and reduce the work load of the hero's who are serving.
OK first off. if we are going to hold all billion and half muslims guilty by association we give these wars up right now. not only is it wrong but its dangerously wrong. we don't need a billion and a half motivated enemies and that sort of attitude will surely bring it about. not to mention that if are we should also hold all the Catholics in the country guilty of the sins of the Catholic church, which are at least as heinous as the muslim religion.
two - the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. ever hear of them. Japanese who fought on the American side in WWII. one of the most decorated outfits of the war. had we held on the "not one of ours" thinking we would have been bereft of their outstanding service to the nation. lets not make the same mistake with muslims on our side.
three - I don't know many liberal minded "anti-defence" people although I am a long time liberal. I do now a great many liberal minded "anti-getting involved in ridiculous and expensive wars that loose a great many of our men and women for now apparent reason" though.
perhaps if we didn't have the habit of sending our armed forces off to fight impossible wars we'd reduce our hero's work a lot more. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:53:38 PM | What motive or motives could he have to turn on fellow soldiers while on US soil? What motivated Timothy McVeigh, an American and veteran, to turn on and kill hundreds of US citizens (while on US soil)? Let us pleas not turn this into a them against us, racist, anti-Islam situation when we know abolutely nothing about the details.
if the shooter had been Bubba Smith from backwater Georgia the details wouldn't matter Of course they would. They always matter. The boys who killed their classmates and teachers at Columbine High School were 'white Christian' Americans, and their backgrounds and motivations were intensely scrutinized. | |
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