| ok,,its gone too far...welefare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:25:41 AM | yes.thats right..........welefare bennifits now include cell phones...........come on government...wake up!
guess my post isnt long enough.......but read the link......this is getting crazy!
https://www.safelinkwireless.com/EnrollmentPublic/home.aspx | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:31:58 AM |
welefare bennifits now include cell phones My cell phone broke last month when I dropped it with force in my kitchen. I wonder if I could scoot across the border and claim refugee status to get a new cell phone.
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 11:07:29 AM |
seeing as that isn't an official government site/info and a tacky thrown together one, i doubt it is true and i smell scam. Well, in addition to the tacky website that's been tossed up, they've also been running commercials predominantly in the southern states... though I've also seen it run on KTLA.
I'm not sure if this is a government subsidy thing, or a cell company thing... but it's happening. | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 11:11:35 AM | My cell phone broke last month when I dropped it with force in my kitchen. I wonder if I could scoot across the border and claim refugee status to get a new cell phone.
You can if -
1. You already participate in other State or Federal assistance program such as Federal Public Housing Assistance, Food Stamps and Medicaid.
OR
2. Your total household income is at or below 135% of the poverty guidelines set by your State and/or the Federal Government.
AND
3. No one in your household currently receives Lifeline Service through another phone carrier.
4. You have a valid United States Postal Address. In order for us to ship you your free phone you must live at a residence that can receive mail from the US Post Office. Sorry, but P.O. Boxes cannot be accepted.
If you are wondering what the poverty line is -
Poverty Thresholds for 2008 by Size of Family and Number of Related Children Under 18 Years
One person (unrelated individual) $11,201*
yes.thats right..........welefare bennifits now include cell phones...........come on government...wake up!
Yeah wake up and stop helping poor people.
*http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/threshld/thresh08.html | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 11:26:22 AM | | It's true. My friend has one. But they are the minute phones, and you can't put a plan on them. Welfare gives u the phone, but you have to pay for your own minutes. What's stupid is they give you these phones, yet when u go and apply, they don't take your phone bill into consideration as part of your monthly bills because to them, a phone isn't a something u have to have. So why give them out if they aren't neccasary? Makes no sense. | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 11:49:22 AM | This has been around a little while - I'm going to say I heard about this at the beginning of the year. They give you the phone and a nominal amount of minutes (I believe 30), if you don't use them they roll over; if you need more you can buy them (phone cards for minutes) at many stores. You pretty much automatically qualify if you get welfare, and many elderly people also qualify (I don't have so much of a problem with them getting these though).
I think it's crazy. Since when did a phone become some sort of necessity? It's an inconvenience not to have one. I heard it said you "need" one more now because pay phones are being removed everywhere, since "everyone" has a cell - if you reverse that, what it means is in a REAL emergency all you would need to do is scream and "someone" would call 911 for you...
I was raised by grandparents who lived through the depression...I know the difference between what is a necessity (food on the table and a roof) , what you should put as a secondary priority (phone, car), and what is just an out and out luxury - cable TV, computers.... | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:39:04 PM | Yeah wake up and stop helping poor people.
thats not helping them, it just says to them, hey u can now do even less and get something else for free. it just gets old to watch people have the same stuff i do and i work for mine and they get theres for free.i think we should help those in need with the necessitys, a cell phone is not one of them. the way i see it if u want to help people you would make them depend on therselfs and not goverment handouts.if i make someone dependent on me i fail to see how iam helping that person long term | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:54:50 PM |
thats not helping them, it just says to them, hey u can now do even less and get something else for free.
It's not helping them? Ever try and find a job without a phone--it ain't easy. Probably once of the most cost effective ways to help a poor person dig themselves out would be to give them a phone and some minutes. | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 2:57:01 PM | It's not helping them? Ever try and find a job without a phone--it ain't easy. Probably once of the most cost effective ways to help a poor person dig themselves out would be to give them a phone and some minutes.
well people have got jobs for decades with out having a cell phone.so i dont buy that at all, so let me ask you, say u give people a phone and then they get a job do they then have to pay for that phone like the rest of us? | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:04:48 PM |
well people have got jobs for decades with out having a cell phone.so i dont buy that at all, so let me ask you, say u give people a phone and then they get a job do they then have to pay for that phone like the rest of us?
Yep.
According to the web site if you are working and earning enough to e above the poverty line then you would be obligate to pay.
Your total household income is at or below 135% of the poverty guidelines set by your State and/or the Federal Government.
Poverty Thresholds for 2008 by Size of Family and Number of Related Children Under 18 Years
One person (unrelated individual) $11,201* | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:26:34 PM | 
Wow, I'm going to give up my job so's I can get a cell phone that costs $14.99 at Dollar General.
Meanwhile, them companies that received billions of dollars of bail out money were, until recently (and perhaps still are), handing out bonuses and holding "meetings" at lavish resorts, not to mention finance company executives who made millions in commissions from stinky CDOs, only to have Margie and Fred Six Pack's tax money bail them out.
I wonder if them phones have internet capacity? | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:12:37 PM | Will people really get a clue before they post this dribble please!!
This program was running under the Bush Administration long before the Obama Administration was even thought about. Ya your hero George Bush himself helped get this going. FYI it is not in every state either. It was set up by a Grant that Congress itself passed.
Get off the Bash Obama Bandwagon and come up for air or better yet stop drinking the Koolaide.
Their About Us page:
https://www.safelinkwireless.com/EnrollmentPublic/about_us.aspx
OMG they are only getting a little Trac Phone. OMG that will just not do will it if some poor family cannot have it so in an emergency their children's school can contact them. 
Where do the people who protest things like this come from? Better yet how do they even live each day. | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welefare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:15:21 PM | Are the people who are saying poor people shouldn't have phones trying to tell us that you never use your phone for anything except novelty purposes?
How do you call to apply for jobs?
How do you make doctor's appointments?
How do you find out the bus schedule?
How do you talk to the school about your children?
How do you make a complaint about billing errors?
How do you make inquiries to government agencies?
How do you call a taxi?
How do you reach 911 (for yourself or others)? | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:15:46 PM | | its simple, i get up and go to work everyday and pay for the stuff i have, thats what i exspect others to do as well. iam not bashing obama, i think bush wasted a boat load of money as well, that doesnt mean i cant also think that obama is wasting money, its a crappy program , i dont care who started it.besides u think thats all the people are going to use it for, if u do u are crazy. the way i see it is if u dont work for what u have then people dont respect it, its not liked they worked for it. ok let me ask u this if they use there mins for say a soical reason, and they are outta mins are u not going to give them more and if u dont how are they going to call 911 or call the kids school? | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:22:13 PM | Hey a lot of people on welfare already have cell phones, ipods, game boys, Nintendo Wiis and all the rest of the fancy stuff any way....
Its kind of weird when you look at what people on welfare can seem to afford and can't afford.
They might live in some shabby places, but the inside of some of those places, especially the electonics ....Hmmm | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 5:19:19 PM |
Yeah, I used to fly off the handle when I began to notice that some folks on welfare have better TV sets than I do. Or, they have PS3's and my daughter is happy with a PS2.
But, she'll go on to college and beyond, with nothing to hold her back but her vision, and ambitions.
I think it's called lack of "deferred gratification" or something like that. But not all people on welfare are like that, and to judge "all" on the basis of "some," well, it just don't seem right. | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 6:20:46 PM | Our welfare system has become just another lifestyle. It's more lavish now than it has ever been. Why not cellphones? They're given everything else. Isn't that what many seem to be advocating? No adult left behind?
When they switched to plastic for food stamps here, one of the primary reasons given was so that recipients could escape the stigma of being a welfare recipient and pretend they were swiping a credit card like everyone else. This way, they could be PROUD to be "food stamp" recipients.
But I'll go you one better. If you're on Section 8 housing, the government will now buy you a house of your own. That's right...you read that correctly. They'll put up the down payment and closing costs for you. What's even better, if you can't make the full mortgage payment using your existing housing allowance and (if any) your portion of your housing payment, the government will then subsidize your mortgage payment. Presumably at some point, you will get off the dole and begin to earn your own money to pay for "your" house. But - why should you? Meanwhile others who work hard and pay taxes their entire lives are relegated to eventually die in some beat apartment.
Each time you add another such benefit, you provide one more reason for not going out and trying to earn one's own way. Much more to come. | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 6:30:16 PM | Why do people spend so much time worrying about what others do or don't do? Have or don't have?
Do you think that the poor spend all their waking moments putting down those who live beyond their means via credit cards?
This sounds like a very basic phone with a limited amount of minutes provided. Food stamps prefers that their clients do phone interviews today as so many social worker jobs have been cut. Perhaps they want to be able to contact their clients as well.
Sounds trivial to me compared to the corporate welfare bailouts. | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 6:39:03 PM |
Sounds trivial to me compared to the corporate welfare bailouts.
So very true!!!!
I could live out the rest of my life comfortably on what those top corporate welfare bailout guys get in one month.
Wonder why they didnt try pay cuts before the bailouts???? | |
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 6:44:13 PM |
Ya, or the cotton subsidies, totalling 21.3 Billion dollars, with only a portion of it going to small cotton growers:
http://farm.ewg.org/farm/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=cotton
That site will show you who is really getting the subsidies.
A gentleman farmer, who wouldn't know cotton seed from sugar beets, riding around in his Escalade or "Dually" pick up truck, subsidized either entirely or proportionally by tax payer dollars -- that there should cost more than a Dollar General cell phone.
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About 28 percent ($9.8 billion) of the $34.75 billion in crop subsidies provided by taxpayers between 2003 and 2005 went to individuals who received all of their subsidy benefits as pass-through funds: benefits that flowed to them through partnerships, joint ventures, corporations or other business entities. Previous versions of EWG's Farm Subsidy Database attributed no subsidies directly to these 358,057 individuals for the years 2003-2005; they comprised about 23 percent of all individual beneficiaries in the 3-year period. They averaged $27,409 apiece in total subsidy benefits over those years ($9,136 per year).
Another 73,372 individuals collected crop subsidies directly in their name ($2.6 billion) and additional crops subsidy benefits as pass-throughs ($2.55 billion) from various farm businesses (16 percent of crop subsidies in total). For these people, average subsidy benefits totaled just over $70,000 over the three years ($23,000 per year).
All told, some $12.35 billion in pass-through subsidies are attributed for the first time to individuals in this analysis. That amounts to about 35 percent of crop subsidies from taxpayers over this period.
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"You can't have a policy discussion in Washington without asking, how will it play in Peoria?" said Ken Cook, president of the Environmental Working Group.
"That will depend on how people living there feel about big farmers all around them, raking in record incomes and still getting enough in subsidies to buy three median-priced Peoria homes with the existing direct payment limit over five years," Cook added.
"If the House bill becomes law, big farmers would be able to buy 5 median-priced Peoria homes since it, gives couples an extra $40,000 each, every year for the next five. We can imagine how the American public may respond to the stunning unfairness of such a policy," said Cook.
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| ok,,its gone too far...welfare cell phones?
Posted: 11/6/2009 6:52:27 PM |
its simple, i get up and go to work everyday and pay for the stuff i have
I'm always amazed to read comments from people who just don't give a rats a$$ about alleviating poverty. And what kind of tune would you be singing if you lost your job? Woe is me? Where is the nearest lineup for the cell phone?
Not everyone who is unemployed is a lazy ass who is just sitting around looking for the next handout. As many have already pointed out - there is a legitimate need for phone coverage for people trying to obtain jobs.
The benefits people get when they are unemployed are so low as to provide little real incentive to stay unemployed. Some people will abuse the benefits but most people are desperate to find jobs well before they draw all of their UI benefits, and most actually never even draw any benefits in their lifetime.
Namaste..... | |
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