| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:40:00 AM | Seems Hispanic politicians are not happy with the current Health Care beeing supported. This just might mean that the Democrats are going to have further problems getting support for their bill.
Should illegal immigrants have access to a a US government public exchange even if they have to pay entirely out of their own pockets?
Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
The illegal immigration issue is emerging as the biggest threat to passing healthcare reform in the House.
Congressional Hispanics have threatened to vote against the bill because of a last-minute threat from within the Democratic Caucus to bolster the House bill’s immigration restrictions to match those included in the Senate Finance bill.
And they’re also fighting President Barack Obama, the original sponsor of the language prohibiting illegal immigrants from accessing the public health insurance exchange.
On Thursday afternoon, four leaders of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC) traveled to the White House to meet with Obama on behalf of the entire group.
Officially, the purpose of their meeting was to talk to the president about healthcare.
But CHC members, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the group’s message was clear: Drop your insistence on preventing illegal immigrants from accessing the public exchange, even if their only option is to pay for insurance plans entirely out of their own pockets. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:22:10 PM | Illegal aliens should not have any rights or privileges. They are criminals.
They are costing this country billions of dollars in welfare and health care.
Illegal aliens should not have access to any Government programs except for a plane or bus ride back to their country. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:28:04 PM | | Gotta love the nads on these people, so an illegal will pay in cash admitting that they are here illegally and expect to be able to stay....Illegals are not entitled to anything in America they are illegal if they want to take advantage or our system they need to enter legally.....It is BS that they can take advantage of anything being that they have broken the law to be here...if you rob a bank and go buy stuff with the money what happens to the stuff when they realize it was bought with stolen money? anything the Illegals make here is through committing a crime so if they purchase anything it is all bought with stolen monies.... | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:46:39 PM |
so an illegal will pay in cash admitting that they are here illegally and expect to be able to stay....anything the Illegals make here is through committing a crime so if they purchase anything it is all bought with stolen monies....
Very Good Answer, I wonder if the Hispanic Politicians thought of that when they threaten to vote against Health Care. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:49:28 PM | People who don't understand the issue of illegal aliens typically boil it down to black and white. You are either here legally or you aren't. They really have no clue what they are talking about.
For example, an individual maybe under review by ICE. Their current status may be unknown, indeterminate, or illegal but eligible to become legal. Didn't think of that one did you? | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/6/2009 6:53:26 PM | Who would have a problem with people paying for their own insurance?
The tax payers have to pay for all the admistration cost . That is why ! Why is it no one ever thinks of all the cost before they post ?
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/6/2009 8:47:38 PM | I have no problem with anyone BUYING health insurance with their own money, assuming this country will continue to be a place where health insurance must be BOUGHT.
I'd much prefer that we go to a national health care system where we wouldn't even have all those ADMINISTRATIVE costs. Get all the bloodsucking profiteers out of health care. Maybe doctors can just go back to practicing medicine instead of filling out paperwork and arguing on the phone with insurance companies who don't want to pay for care that their patients need.
Instead of bashing the illegal immigrants so much why not direct some of that hatred toward the illegal EMPLOYERS? - those glorious entrepreneurs making money off immigrants' cheap labor.
If someone's sick, no matter what their immigration status, don't you want them to get medical treatment--and get their children immunizations--so they don't infect YOU or YOUR precious family? Duh. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/6/2009 8:59:34 PM |
The tax payers have to pay for all the admistration cost . That is why ! Why is it no one ever thinks of all the cost before they post ?
hahaha, administration isn't figured into medical costs whether you are illegal or legal?
could anybody possibly believe that?
psssst. its built into the fees already. we all pay it. in fact, we pay far more than any other system in the G8 for it. in fact, the federal system of medicare/medicaid has far less overhead than the private system
why is it nobody ever thinks before they post?
and while we're not thinking how about not cutting off our collective nose to to spite our collective face.
"holy cow. immigrants paying their own way on our system? why I'd rather millions of citizens go without healthcare than have that happen."
brilliant. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/6/2009 9:52:57 PM |
hahaha, administration isn't figured into medical costs whether you are illegal or legal?
When you have a government run programs they [the government] have no clue what the hell the cost are. What program has the government ever run that has ever come in on budget ? So please don't tell me the cost is built in. The government has tried their hand at social security,Amtrak,post office,medicare oh and lets not forget Chrysler and not a damn one has ever been run at a profit or on buget. So to say the cost are built in you are just wrong. This is why the G-Damn government needs to leave the health care business or any other business to the private sector. If the government wants to give all the citizens health care, get bids from all the health care providers so they will know true cost . The health care providers know cost to the penny and they also know how to administer the billings. Just how much do you think it will cost to set up a network to make an operation as large as national health care ? Have you ever heard of ( don't confuse my estimate with my billing.) Well that is what you are going to see. The people are starting to realize just what tax and spend freely is all about. So if you want to jump on the band wagon be my guest, but when the illegal's are draining your tax dollars and you and your kids and grand kids are making a dollar and spending 70 cents in tax just remember your stance you have posted. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/7/2009 1:05:14 AM | lot of non-english there.
but ....
how odd that every other civilized nation in the world uses a national healthcare system and gets a much better return on their dollar than we do.
of course, we would be much better off doing what we are doing and end up paying better than 20% of our GDP to Aetna and their "wonderful management".
read up. Medicare and Medicaid have administration costs that run to pennies when compared to the private systems dollars. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/7/2009 7:40:01 AM |
The tax payers have to pay for all the admistration cost . That is why ! Why is it no one ever thinks of all the cost before they post ?
So who are the tax payers?
Would those be the he people that buy goods and services and pay taxes on those goods and services?
Are people that enter the US illegally exempt from paying any of these taxes, because if they are not, then yes they are contributing and if you go by what the estimates of how many are in your country I would say the contribute quite a bit.
Do they contribute as much as the ave. US citizen? no not even close.
Do they earn near what the ave. US citizen earns? no not even close.
So whats the big hubub about then.
Its not like they came in and took your land and gave you blankets with small pox. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/7/2009 8:03:30 AM |
Are people that enter the US illegally exempt from paying any of these taxes, because if they are not, then yes they are contributing and if you go by what the estimates of how many are in your country I would say the contribute quite a bit.
A lot of illegal immigrants claim max exemptions on their payroll usually with a fake ID if they are not getting paid under the table.
Yes they probably pay state sales taxes and a good chance state license taxes. Remember there are some states without sales tax, not many but a few.
At what other costs would they be to the insurance and taxpayers besides administration. Would they be able to enroll regardless of pre-existing conditions; one of the problems public option is supposed to fix. Would that mean that if in their country they are having problems getting health care for a certain condition or at a decent cost, an illegal immigrant could just sneak into America and sign up for America's public option.
I think that msg 4 did a good job of explaining it. "^^^^anything the Illegals make here is through committing a crime so if they purchase anything it is all bought with stolen monies^^^^ | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:51:31 AM |
So who are the tax payers?
Would those be the he people that buy goods and services and pay taxes on those goods and services?
Are people that enter the US illegally exempt from paying any of these taxes, because if they are not, then yes they are contributing and if you go by what the estimates of how many are in your country I would say the contribute quite a bit.
Please don't confuse state taxes on goods with federal taxes. Big difference. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/7/2009 7:45:32 PM |
Please don't confuse state taxes on goods with federal taxes. Big difference.
You are so correct.
So if a lot of the illegal immigrants work under a false ss # claiming max dependents, they probably dont pay a lot of Federal Taxes, if any.. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/7/2009 8:10:04 PM | It doesn't matter if they give it to them or not. They will back door it like they do now.
In Cali they are only supposed to be covered if it is an emergency so what does Cali do, make being pregnant an emergency condition.
Whats next, I'm out on a date and am experiencing ED, go to the emergency room and get a blue pill.
The politicians will sell this country down the river and have been for years for their next voting block. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/7/2009 8:34:59 PM | For example, an individual maybe under review by ICE. Their current status may be unknown, indeterminate, or illegal but eligible to become legal. Didn't think of that one did you?
You mean like "You've committed a crime but we're not sure whether or not to punish you for it" ? How exactly does that entitle a criminal to legal privileges ? They're still illegal while they're waiting.
Didn't realize that did you ?
Still , I don't see what the problem is in simply allowing people to access the system even if it mean they'll be paying for it out of their own pockets. The only potential drawback (and actually , it's a big one) is that there'll be no way to collect payment after the fact. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/8/2009 1:04:22 AM |
Seems Hispanic politicians are not happy with the current Health Care beeing supported. This just might mean that the Democrats are going to have further problems getting support for their bill.
And Health Care Reform PASSES in the House...
... on to the Senate...
...then desk of the President... but I'm sure he will veto it (not)
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/8/2009 5:32:51 AM | The simple fact is...you just cant go around claiming a person is a criminal. You have to have a judgement from a court of Law.
The Constitution protects everyones rights, If a person is here illegaly that has to be proven in a court of law. I cant just walk down main street pointing out people "I" believe are illegal aliens.
There are no illegal alieans until a convition in a court of law. If you dont like the Constitution, change it. | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/8/2009 7:12:13 AM | Yes Health Care Passed and Obama and his Democrats spend another Trillion Dollars
Oh Well its only money.
Hours after President Obama exhorted Democratic lawmakers to "answer the call of history," the House hit an unprecedented milestone on the path to health-care reform, approving a trillion-dollar package late Saturday that seeks to overhaul private insurance practices and guarantee comprehensive and affordable coverage to almost every American. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/07/AR2009110701504.html?wprss=rss_business
The 220-215 vote for the trillion-dollar effort to extend health coverage to millions of Americans who currently lack it capped a long debate during which a soporific tone belied the tension within the majority Democratic caucus. http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20091108/pl_cq_politics/politics3244178_8
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/8/2009 7:39:15 AM | | The green card workers where I was working refused company offered insurance . They would go to the Emergency room and act like they were illegal so they would get care for free . The people that use the system will find a way not to help pay their share of health care . To some immigrants it is not just acceptable but a feather in their hats to work the system and socially acceptable in their culture to lie cheat and steal from the government . | |
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/8/2009 8:20:58 AM | Msg 20 Said (If a person is here illegaly that has to be proven in a court of law. I cant just walk down main street pointing out people "I" believe are illegal aliens. )
No, but if you are in charge of hiring or payroll for a company it is your duty to check that your workers have proper documentation before hiring and/or paying them. That means some type of photo id that matches their SS card.
It's quite interesting how many companies or company employees seem to skip these steps when getting information for payroll.
I'm not totally positive but I think this is the type of documentation that some are saying people should have to supply to get government health care, if the bill is finally signed by the president.
Right now several states require birth certificates, plus some type of picture id prior to even getting a drivers license.
Shouldn't there be some restrictions prior to getting a country's government benefits or are we just going to offer health care to anyone in the world?
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| Congressional Hispanics Threaten to Vote Against Health Care
Posted: 11/8/2009 12:43:35 PM |
Please don't confuse state taxes on goods with federal taxes. Big difference.
...Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, experts agree. Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it. But the latest figures available indicate it will amount to billions of dollars in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes this year. One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year...
"...Ford, of Middle Tennessee State University, said a majority of economists agree that illegal immigrants are a net benefit for the U.S. economy.
He said the tax contributions from illegal immigrants, including sales taxes, property taxes and excise taxes (such as the gas tax), are significant.
He calculates that illegal immigrants contributed $428 billion dollars to the nation's $13.6 trillion gross domestic product in 2006. That number assumes illegal immigrants are 30% less productive than other workers.
"If anything we need more immigrants coming into the country, not less, especially with the baby boomers retiring," he said.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm
• Illegal immigrants don't increase your taxes.
Surveys of immigrants show that they actually come with the expectation that welfare and social service benefits will not be available to them. What's more, per capita, they actually use welfare benefits less than the native population. Studies show that only 2% of Mexican immigrants have ever used welfare or social security and only 3% have ever used food stamps. In comparison, 84% pay income tax and none of them file a return. Because so many of them pay into the tax and social security and Medicaid systems without being able to retrieve any of that money or benefits, the government actually makes a substantial profit on each illegal who comes here. This has resulted in a surplus in social security funds of more than $50 billion a year just from payments applied to fictional social security numbers. After factoring in services provided, on average during his time in the US, an illegal immigrant will contribute $80,000 more to the government than he consumes in services. The one negative tax impact is that they act to transfer money from the states who pay most of the services, especially education, to the federal government which gets most of the tax benefits.
http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/basic-facts-on-illegal-immigration
For details on illegal immigrant employment
http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2006/0506numbers.pdf
For an analysis of taxes paid by illegal immigrants
http://reason.org/news/show/122411.html | |
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