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 MavcomArt

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Sgt. Kimberly Denise Munley - A true American hero
Posted: 11/7/2009 7:33:34 AM
New york Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07police.html?_r=2

I am sitting here this morning reading about the terrible situation at Fort Hood and then I came across this news item about how it ended. This is the sort of scenario that you see on TV when the officer jumps from their car into a hail of bullets, shoots the bad guy, saves the day, and you sit there and roll your eyes.

Well this was real life and Sargent Munley put her life on the line to save others. She did it in a fashion that showed uncommon bravery and took no thought of her own safety to save others. I am a Canadian on the outside looking in and I do not know how exactly you recognize your heroes. I do feel that she should receive America's highest tribute for her act of bravery.

I don't know about you, but today she is my hero.
 MavcomArt

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Sgt. Kimberly Denise Munley - A true American hero
Posted: 11/7/2009 4:30:36 PM
Is the total lack of response telling me something about my friends across the border. If it were your life she saved you'd certainly have something to say.
Sgt. Kimberly Denise Munley - A true American hero
Posted: 11/7/2009 4:35:33 PM

Is the total lack of response telling me something about my friends across the border. If it were your life she saved you'd certainly have something to say.


Or

There are already several other threads addressing this topic.


I am going with the second one.
 etourdi77

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Posted: 11/7/2009 4:58:00 PM
I agree with you.....but to many on here are making excuses and blaming everyone else for what Hasan did...seems that people are more interested in denying the reasons for what he did and trying to place the blame on the Military eventually they will somehow blame Bush for what the Terrorist shooter in Ft Hood did.....I am glad that Hasan is still alive he doesn't deserve to die thinking he will go to Heaven and get his virgins....
 aSydneyMale

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Sgt. Kimberly Denise Munley - A true American hero
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:08:39 PM

I agree with you.....but to many on here are making excuses and blaming everyone else for what Hasan did...seems that people are more interested in denying the reasons for what he did and trying to place the blame on the Military eventually they will somehow blame Bush for what the Terrorist shooter in Ft Hood did..

If you stopped your ranting for a minute and actually understood what many people on the other thread were trying to point out, maybe you would understand this is not a black and white issue.


..I am glad that Hasan is still alive he doesn't deserve to die thinking he will go to Heaven and get his virgins....

From a man who claims to be a Christian, you ridicule someone else's faith so readily. So easy for you to hate than try to understand.
 etourdi77

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Sgt. Kimberly Denise Munley - A true American hero
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:48:58 PM
I understand that a man who allegedly posted on extremist websites who made Anti American Anti War statements publicly, who also said that muslims should attack the aggressors(Americans) who Jumped on a table while in the process of killing Americans yelling "Allahu Akbar"......Killed 13 Americans and wounded 30 more
There was no ridicule in my post......don't Muslims believe if they die in Jihad they go to Heaven and are rewarded with Virgins?
“We have created mates for them and made them virgins, matched in age, for the companions of the right hand.” (56:35-38)
“‘The smallest reward [each] for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from [Damascus] to [Yemen].’”
"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward"
"Fight in the cause of Allah, those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; . . . And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression"

I disagree. you and other posters are making it a gray issue ...it is black and white....you all want to muddy the waters and place blame everywhere except where it belongs....Hasan did what he did he is responsible doesnt matter what he has gone through or whatever,,,,,He did it...No excuses......was it Jihad? we shall find out eventually......

Sgt Munley is a Hero.....there is no doubt about that.....
 aSydneyMale

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Sgt. Kimberly Denise Munley - A true American hero
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:58:59 PM

Sgt Munley is a Hero.....there is no doubt about that.....

On that we agree at least.
 geeleebee

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Posted: 11/7/2009 6:03:34 PM

I understand that a man who allegedly posted on extremist websites who made Anti American Anti War statements publicly, who also said that muslims should attack the aggressors(Americans) who Jumped on a table while in the process of killing Americans yelling "Allahu Akbar"......Killed 13 Americans and wounded 30 more
There was no ridicule in my post......don't Muslims believe if they die in Jihad they go to Heaven and are rewarded with Virgins?
“We have created mates for them and made them virgins, matched in age, for the companions of the right hand.” (56:35-38)
“‘The smallest reward [each] for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from [Damascus] to [Yemen].’”
"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward"
"Fight in the cause of Allah, those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; . . . And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression"

I disagree. you and other posters are making it a gray issue ...it is black and white....you all want to muddy the waters and place blame everywhere except where it belongs....Hasan did what he did he is responsible doesnt matter what he has gone through or whatever,,,,,He did it...No excuses......was it Jihad? we shall find out eventually......

Shame on you for turning this thread into another excuse for a diatribe.


Sgt Munley is a Hero.....there is no doubt about that.....

And THAT is the point of this thread.

Thank you to our neighbor to the North for acknowledging the bravery of this woman, to whom many owe their lives.
 *mandrake*

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Sgt. Kimberly Denise Munley - A true American hero
Posted: 11/7/2009 6:57:27 PM
another point I would like to raise about this is that Kimberley herself said she remembers firing "two" shots. She has also stated that she "thought" she had hit the shooter. She also had a partner with her who also fired shots at the shooter, so both of the officers could have been responsible for bringing down the perpetrator. Perhaps we should hail both as heros, not just Kimberley. Seems her partner has been forgotten in all this.
 whitetigeress

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Posted: 11/7/2009 8:00:17 PM
yet I agree with OP, Munley is a hero...
It is to my understanding from reading articles that the SRP isn't on Munley's beat; she was in the area because her vehicle was in the shop.
Munley rushed into the building where he was shooting, confronted him directly and she had continued firing even after being hit.
She didn't wait for backup.
Another officer, Senior Sgt. Mark Todd, also responded to the sound of gunfire.
Munley who fired two shots was hit at least three times in the exchange — twice through the left leg and once in her right wrist. Hasan was hit four times. It's not clear whose bullets hit the suspect, but from the first shots to the last, authorities say the whole incident lasted less than 10 minutes.
 WantaSmart1

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Posted: 11/7/2009 8:06:16 PM
For sure anyone running toward an armed suspect should be considered heroic. I also read late last night that the suspect was shot four times and was shot at least twice by Munley, which also led me to ask - who else helped?

There were a lot of heroic acts in this incident. The media likes to zero in on THE hero of any incident and they forget about all the other tiny and not-so-tiny acts that added up. For instance, the woman who bodily carried her shot friend out of the area to safety, only to find out after doing so that she herself had been shot in the hip? I think there was more than a single hero in this case.

Then, too, there were several reports very soon after the incident that some of the victims MAY have been hit by "friendly fire". If that is the case, then that should also be investigated and disclosed. Why did the casualty rate go from 38 wounded and 12 killed into late last night, to 30 wounded (and 13 dead) "by the suspect" this morning? Were there 7-8 others who weren't shot by him?

I'm still curious about the two "accomplices" who were taken into custody for several hours and then released with no further word. There were reports of gunfire in another part of the base, although by then the suspect was already down. Who was doing that shooting and who might have gotten shot? An hour and a half after the 4-minute spree, a reported on camera was interrupted by another emergency siren warning people to take cover.
 MavcomArt

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Posted: 11/7/2009 11:39:20 PM

There are already several other threads addressing this topic.


There are threads in which the shooting is discussed. There is no thread directly recognizing Sargent Munley's actions. I see that you have nothing to say about her heroics.

Would someone please tell me the type of award she would be entitled to. I certainly would like to nominate her. After reading some of the other posts, it appears their may be others deserving as well.
Sgt. Kimberly Denise Munley - A true American hero
Posted: 11/8/2009 12:10:22 AM
\\Shame on you for turning this thread into another excuse for a diatribe.\\



And shame on left wingnuts that just turn any threads on said subject into left loon slug fests...
 Ismene2

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Sgt. Kimberly Denise Munley - A true American hero
Posted: 11/8/2009 6:25:44 AM

...another point I would like to raise about this is that Kimberley herself said she remembers firing "two" shots. She has also stated that she "thought" she had hit the shooter. She also had a partner with her who also fired shots at the shooter, so both of the officers could have been responsible for bringing down the perpetrator. Perhaps we should hail both as heros, not just Kimberley. Seems her partner has been forgotten in all this.
Agree. Also, it seems some of those killed were shot by friendly fire. A lot of shooting was going on. Ms. Munley is a hero. Probably her partner is too, and maybe others. As more information emerges, it seems to me that the perpetrator has been going through a progessive mental meltdown for months. Seems the military should have dealt with this earlier. This event is not terrorism. It is a guy who has lost his mental stability. This should not be a time to try to build more adversity between the Muslim world and the Christian one.
 FL CO

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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:29:22 AM

another point I would like to raise about this is that Kimberley herself said she remembers firing "two" shots. She has also stated that she "thought" she had hit the shooter. She also had a partner with her who also fired shots at the shooter, so both of the officers could have been responsible for bringing down the perpetrator. Perhaps we should hail both as heros, not just Kimberley. Seems her partner has been forgotten in all this


When an event like this happens the body does different things. You'll experience things such as tunnel vision and auditory exclusion. This seem to happen faster or slower than they actually did. You may or may not feel pain at the time because of the adrenaline going. I don't fault her for not remembering the details.
I was involved in stopping an escape attempt at my job. In the process of getting him off the fence I was kicked several times. I remember the guy kicking at me, but not as much as he did. I also don't remember him making contact. A couple days later I was feeling it, and when I went back to work (the incident happened right before my off days) and saw the video, I was surprized by how much he had kicked me and I was still able to hold on.
Point being, its normal to not remember everything from an event like that. Mine was much smaller and much less stressful and I didn't remember everything from it, so I don't fault her for not recalling all of the details on this. People who have never been in a high stress situation simply won't understand
 WantaSmart1

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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:29:40 AM
Here's an excerpt from a REAL, old-style reporter. One who gets actual news instead of still parroting 2-day old, erroneous info as in other "fresh" reports this morning:


According to Chuck Medley, civilian director of police and firefighters at a base that houses more than 50,000 soldiers and their families, the first 911 call came to dispatchers at 1:23 p.m. A radio call and computerized alert went out to Kimberly Munley, 35, a civilian policewoman who was having her cruiser serviced by mechanics nearby. Within four minutes, Medley and Grimsley said, the female officer had exchanged gun blasts with Hasan, saving the life of at least one soldier but getting seriously wounded herself.

"By her engaging (Hasan)," Medley said, "he turned away from him and began engaging her" — a decision the deputy commander of III Corps believes was "critical" to saving the soldier and possibly many others.

According to Medley, Munley had peeked around a small building, realized that the "situation was critical" and "fired at the suspect," missing the suspected gunman but forcing him to stop, pivot and fire at her "several times."

"Then he began to charge her, and she continued to engage him," said Medley.

Hasan and Munley stood at very close range, shooting at each other. Medley said Hasan's shots struck the officer in the hand and wrist. She fell back, Medley said, "and she continued to engage him" from the ground.

From a nearby knoll, civilian policeman Mark Todd rushed to her rescue and fired at Hasan. While investigators still haven't said which gun fired the bullets that wounded Hasan, both Medley and Grimsley said the alleged gunman went down with "a significant number of wounds."


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/health/s_652150.html

The story also discusses friendly fire and the fact, despite what others are reporting as definitive findings, that aspect of the investigation is still on-going and nothing is closed yet. It's just a great report, without all the political fluff I'm seeing in many others.

From another story, Munley was shot in one thigh, the bullet went through and into her other leg as well, in addition to being shot in the arm/wrist.
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