| what do you think we are "born" knowing???
Posted: 11/7/2009 3:58:12 PM | Birds build nests with out being taught by parents.
ants build colonies, again with out foreknowledge.
Socrates' geometry/ algebra experiment with an unknown youth "Proving" we have the basics of math hard wired in the brain/mind.
So what other things could be inborn in us?
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/7/2009 4:17:28 PM | | Odd. Animals, even plants have innate "knowledge", yet humans do not. A human infant will not find food, build shelter, defend itself, hide, run away, etc... Perhaps we are born only knowing how to be dependent. Good news is, if another cares for us and we survive, we learn to take care of the next. As a species, we're kind of screwed if we don't. | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/7/2009 4:18:29 PM | | Eat, poop...there are some indications the development of our brain gives us the tendency toward religious thought, the ability to recognize faces, cooperation. | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/7/2009 4:56:56 PM |
Animals, even plants have innate "knowledge", yet humans do not
Not completely true. There are many examples in nature where animals take considerable amount of time to raise their young and have to show their young how to survive. Bears are a good example. They show their young how to hunt and catch prey by example. A good example is when bears hunt salmon during spawning runs, they are teaching them how to do it by example. | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:21:24 PM | Are we talking about genetic memories (AKA Ethology or why a newborn colt can walk moments after birth)...Or the fantasy version (AKA I remember past lives!)
Real version...we are born with the innate ability to suckle, but compared to other animals, humans are born at an earlier stage of development. | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/7/2009 7:14:12 PM |
Perhaps we are born only knowing how to be dependent.
This is not an insignicant trait. We're possibly THE most social animals. Interdependency--and the ability to RELY upon others--makes humans stronger. No one person can be good at everything, but we have specialists. You build my house, I grow your food, he makes our energy, etc. We rely upon each other in order to make the whole of us stronger than any individual can be.
I also think that part of our innate ability is to trust and to read each other. I saw a guy today who I felt was creepy! I trust my instincts in this regard--but I wonder how many men do? Maybe that's why men are more likely to be victims of stranger crime--they don't listen to or have their "reminine intuition". | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/7/2009 11:42:42 PM | | Rupert Sheldrake came up with this theory of instinctive knowing called morphic resonance. For example, you can teach a dog a trick: to roll over, then by morphic resonance, all the dogs that follow should be able to learn the trick much quicker. How long does it take for the average dog to learn how to roll over? A few days? I wonder how long it took the first dog to learn. | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/8/2009 12:37:00 AM | | I believe we are born with all the knowledge of everything. we just have to become aware of the world and what part we wish to advance in. it can better be know as a Discovery, break through, or revolution. might be wrong but its what i think. | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/8/2009 12:38:16 PM | | When we are born, we are not only born with the instinct to suckle, but also to turn our head to find mommy's milk. I agree with the poster who said that our tendency to depend on each other is likely an inately human characteristic, not to be underestimated. Our ability to learn from each other and circumstances allow us the flexibility to adapt to environments. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 4:02:14 PM | Twinki,
genetic not past lives, though I do find it interesting to hear about how many people accept PL and of course they were the ones that were famous, like Shirley McClane lol.
but really, there may be something something to it, I don't know.
but for this thread, it is the genetic "memory" of things that we do from birth on. Not the Past Lives we may have had.
Dale | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/12/2009 8:45:19 PM | What do you mean by know?
Because a baby behaves a certain way, does that necessarily imply knowledge, or are we simply seeing instinctive behaviour? It's unlikely that a baby 'knows' it will drown if it inhales water, yet human infants will hold their breath when submerged (don't try this at home). Similarly the search for a nipple; babies will do that to men, women, anyone; does that really indicate they know what they're doing?
Is there a way to distinguish between conscious knowledge and an unconscious reflex?
BTW, the person who suggested that dogs learn to roll over more quickly because an ancestor of theirs did: that's Lamarckism, and it's a fallacy. | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/14/2009 6:08:13 PM | Would pattern, and discrepancy recognition count?
Babies come fresh out of the oven with those skills. 
I think we also know how to acquire more information from things. Although when we are babies that usually involves putting something in our mouths.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWdL8TAM1Cw
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/14/2009 8:18:31 PM | We are probably born genetically hard-wired to have certain specific abilities or talents which make it easier for that person to learn certain things than it would be for others. Generally people who are outstanding in science and maths or music show signs of their talent in very early childhood, in terms of ability to learn or compose far exceeding average ability. Likewise some people just seem to be a 'natural' at working with their hands in the trades.
I think talents are probably innate, but knowledge isn't and has to be learned through experience. | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/14/2009 9:02:57 PM | -for the first six months or so of life, and infant can swim if dropped in water (one of many survival reflexes that disappear as babies learn to control the movements on their own, or become unnecessary)
-one school of thought of human language acquisition asserts that humans are born with the ability to hear, and later reproduce all sounds in all human languages, but over time synaptic pruning removes the synapses responsible for the sounds required for languages NOT spoken in the home
-babies are genetically programmed to be cute, to prevent abandonment by it's mother, and therefore increases chances of survival | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/14/2009 10:15:43 PM |
-babies are genetically programmed to be cute, to prevent abandonment by it's mother, and therefore increases chances of survival
And to be ugly to non parents to encourage them to leave them alone lol | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/14/2009 10:38:44 PM | | You can actually watch videos of it on You Tube (and the cover of Nirvana's Nevermind album)...there are mom-and-baby swim classes for newborns, in which new parents are encouraged to bond with their baby by placing them gently in the water, and encouraging them to swim towards them over a very short distance...and parents who choose a water birth experience this first hand, as the baby swims to the surface of the pool post birth to take their first breath of air...of course they're not going to swim laps, but they can do enough to keep themselves afloat for a short time...no BS dude, Google it! | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/14/2009 10:53:02 PM | Hm I watched one online. The baby lived, but it was in about a foot of water, and it was picked up from the water by a nurse immediately. I watched some baby swimming lessons, true they can do it but its so minimal.
Either way, Im never ever letting my kids be born underwater!
It just seems crazy to me! I am a land animal! | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/15/2009 10:02:29 AM | LOL babies and other baby animals are not "genetically programmed to be cute"--WE are genetically programmed to think they are! There is something about women, too, that is different than men in this area. I think some hormone gets released when we look at babies (of lots of species, and I think this goes for female mammals across the board); the hormone makes us "love" them.
Yeah, the babies don't exactly "swim", they DO automatically hold their breaths, though, and pop to the top of the water.
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/15/2009 1:31:58 PM | 'grantorino88'..//I am a land animal//
This is true. However, it is very possible that in our distant past we spent a significant amount of time at the edges of lakes and oceans. We have 'ever-so-slightly' webbed fingers when fanned out. We don't share this trait with our ape cousins.
It's worth noting that a significant amount of 'very' young babies may not be able to swim for their survival but instead will frantically kick and twist themselves so that their chests are facing the surface. Once they achieve this position they become motionless and slowly float to the surface where they remain still with their face (just) breaking the surface... They will cry, but remain motionless until they are rescued. Clever little troopers ;) | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/15/2009 2:20:58 PM | Good question Dale,
It's a mysterious question as well, in ways. Here's my list:
(1) the ability to suckle at birth, for the purpose of seeking nourishment
(2) the need for, or lack of a better word, sensing survival ambience, otherwise we cry like banchees'
(3) the ability to articulate discomfort, born out of our need for survival
(4) the innate ability to learn
(5) that leaves a lot of room on the hard disk (brain) to seek patterns, recognize danger, group together as a survival strategy, etc. | |
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| what do you think we are born knowing???
Posted: 11/16/2009 7:49:55 AM | | I was born knowing everything, and from that original omniscience each new fact and experience has robbed me of some knowledge. By now I am left with only the few scraps of wisdom that allow me to distinguish between the two kinds of holes that one is in the ground and the other, behind myself. When that goes, I am up for grabs as a house plant. | |
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