| | flat bench cable curlPage 1 of 2 (1, 2) | I came across this video and thought I would share it with the folks here at POF:
http://leehayward.com/blog/2010/01/lying-cable-curls
I can't do curls right now so I haven't tried this my self. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 10:12:11 AM | Oh, no question in particular.
I never saw that before so I would be curious to get feed back from people who tried this to see if they felt it was worth doing? | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 10:49:44 AM | | Interesting but I think I will stick with Preacher and Hammer curls. When those get boring this would be a seemingly decent way to mix it up. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 11:11:57 AM | | Curls are easier to do correctly vs. that . The kid looks like he is trying to pull too much back. Back is arched, good way to pull something. Or, do these, lighten the weight and crank out the reps for a "change." | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 11:28:08 AM | | Just another arm exercise. Takes the stabilizers mostly out of the equation, if someone was looking for that much isolation (I'm not) . His back arch is fine. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 11:50:42 AM |
Curls are easier to do correctly vs. that . The kid looks like he is trying to pull too much back. Back is arched, good way to pull something. Or, do these, lighten the weight and crank out the reps for a "change."
I was thinking the same thing - the weight is too heavy and throwing off his form. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 12:21:59 PM | Right now I have had to drop curls & lat pull downs from my routine as I did something to my elbow  so I couldn't try this. But I just knew the people of POF would have comments. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 3:23:32 PM | Yes, people on POF will have comments, but a lot of people also like to talk about things they don't know a whole lot about. So here's my 2 cents. The only thing wrong with this is that it is using a machine. Any time you can use free weights compared to using a machine, your results will be way greater using the free weights. His reasoning for doing this really makes no sense at all, it is not that hard to keep proper form doing a bicep curl. And even if your form is off a little bit, it won't be significant enough for you to not get any gains from the curl. Also, by lying down, you're making it much easier to do, which will give you less benefits.
Also, any time you come across a website where they try to get you to buy something and without having any proven science articles, STAY AWAY! | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 4:02:37 PM |
Right now I have had to drop curls & lat pull downs from my routine as I did something to my elbow so I couldn't try this. But I just knew the people of POF would have comments.
Why did you post it if we weren't supposed to comment? | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 6:38:25 PM | Secretspice, I posted so people would comment!
I myself can bench, military press, deadllft, any stiff arm or pushing exercise, but I cannot do the curls or lat pull downs. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 9:50:35 PM | Canadian Kid gave some good info but not all right. Im glad that all of you are not trainers...lol. While one will benefit more from free weight exercises more so than machines, an even higher benefit can be found when knowing how to incorporate both into one's routine.
That particular exercise(did not watch the video) of the cable curl while laying down on the seated row bench or flat bench is a great exercise....when proper form is utilized. It allows for a long stretch and contraction of the bicep from that position. With proper form, it is a powerful exercise.
To make it even better, this exercise is best done in a superset (I use it often). The superset would start off with seated barbell drag curls (short range of movement) then supersetted with the lying cable curls(longer range of movement). For me, this works wonders. For others, it may not.
As with the biceps or any muscle for that matter, it is important to hit the muscle from a variety of angles. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 10:42:06 PM | Sketch..I like the fact that you have thoughts of mixing it up....but.. since you stated that you just stick with preacher curls and hammers. .... I'd like to hear more info from your end on the specifics of your bicep routine to improve it.
Keep in mind that if your bicep routine just primarily uses preachers and hammers...reevaluate it and know what movement is doing to your bicep.
You didnt state how you do your preachers....such as if you are doing them one handed with dumbells or if barbells are used..what type of bar...straight, EZ/French/hammer...wrist position throughout the movement is key..
Focus on a bicep routine that will hit overall (straight barbell), outer(hammers), inner(preacher dumbell thumbs down) and the peaks (cable)....just dont go overboard, it's a small muscle. | |
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| flat bench cable curl
Posted: 1/22/2010 11:26:59 PM |
Yes, people on POF will have comments, but a lot of people also like to talk about things they don't know a whole lot about. So here's my 2 cents. The only thing wrong with this is that it is using a machine. Any time you can use free weights compared to using a machine, your results will be way greater using the free weights.
I feel that this is incorrect. When you are using a cable-machine to do a curl, you are not losing any stabalization. The weight is attatched to a cable, it can still tilt, go left/right, etc. (you're just holding a handle...). However, that machine allows 100% tension through the entire movement. When you curl a free-weight and reach the peak of your curl, you are only lifting a fraction of the weight you were at full extension. For this reason, machines are superior for SOME excercises. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2010 11:35:30 PM | eriophyllum
EZ bar preachers with a varying width grip. Standing Dumbell hammers. Straight bar Curls make my left wrist hurt for some reason so I don't do them! Will have to " give inner(preacher dumbell thumbs down) " a try, will have to google that one. Once a week I also use a preacher curl machine at the end of my workout. Spending about 7-10 seconds per rep really concentrating on the muscle through the negative phase.
I would have to say that I thought I had great form when doing standing ez bar curls. Preachers don't allow much room for momentum. I always love seeing the guys doing Curls that look like they are trying to give themselves whiplash! I have NEVER seen a girl do this type of stuff. I am sure it has happened but I have yet to see.....
Right now my goal is overall fitness. I have about 30 pounds to go before I get to that goal. Then I am not sure. Just trying to stay away from bicep-itis. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2010 4:55:12 AM | | Oh great - so now we have 4 parts of the biceps? I wasn't told this. I use the nautilus as well as dumbells for biceps. What "real" machines should I be using? | |
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Posted: 1/23/2010 7:37:09 AM |
The only thing wrong with this is that it is using a machine.
It's a cable curl, done on a cable machine. Why is this "wrong"?
Any time you can use free weights compared to using a machine, your results will be way greater using the free weights.
Disagree completely. The equipment chosen should match the goal. Cable training has benefits, such as constant TUT and consistent muscle stress on the negatives in a way that DB/BB can't. There is a time and place for everything.
it is not that hard to keep proper form doing a bicep curl.
Have you been in any commercial gyms? Have you watched the guys training their "beach muscles"?
Also, by lying down, you're making it much easier to do, which will give you less benefits. How is this lift "easier" than lifting the same stack doing standing cable bi curls? | |
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Posted: 1/23/2010 10:26:08 AM | BP - I tried to e-mail you but you have restrictions. We are in the same age group - how do you get those shoulders? I used to have shoulders then went to physical therapy after an injury and lost everything. I am back to the gym and cannot do anything overhead.  | |
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Posted: 1/23/2010 10:34:29 AM | I got a few emails asking me to comment so here goes.
1. His arch is fine, it's not helping him move the weight back and forth, if that's the way he has to keep his back to do the movement that is perfectly fine as he's not swinging.
2. Are machines inferior to compound movements? Well it depends on the person, some people get better results from isolation movements than compound I.E. Dave Palumbo once told me his arms did not start growing until he ditched all compound movements, he said compound exercises for arms was making his shoulders grow more than his arms.
3. Most people will not develop the same quality of muscle doing isolation as they will doing primarily compound movements. Simply because most people develop more muscle as they get stronger. (Black people, and genetic freaks are exceptions to this case) You can develop more strenght quicker with power movements than you can with isolation movements. More strength gains in a shorter period of time will equal more muscle gains in a shorter period of time for MOST people.
4. Speaking of perfect form or not, no one ever got huge muscles by doing perfect form 100% of the time. If you arch or cheat a little, make sure you go strict on the negative portion of the lift to allow the heaviest amount of weight being controlled in the negative portion of the lift. The eccentric portion (negative) is resposible for much more of your muscle gains, while the positive is responsible for adding more stength and teaching your brain to use more muscle fibers in a quicker amount of time.
That's all folks.
P.S. for those emailing me about diets, I'm not ignoring you I will be busy till Monday and I'll sit down and ask you a few questions so we can get the ball rolling. | |
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JWG86
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| flat bench cable curl
Posted: 1/23/2010 10:48:49 AM |
BP - I tried to e-mail you but you have restrictions. We are in the same age group - how do you get those shoulders? I used to have shoulders then went to physical therapy after an injury and lost everything. I am back to the gym and cannot do anything overhead.
Similar boat here. However, I just muscle through it and don't over-do things. I have dropped my seated overhead press down to just doing 135 for sets of 10 and things are coming along nicely. I suggest in your case, since your injury appears more serious, that you speak with a Dr. familiar with spots injuries/rehab. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2010 11:58:33 AM | | I got hurt from use improper form so it is something I try to pay strict attention to. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2010 12:02:39 PM |
Why is this "wrong"?
Sorry, wrong wasn't the greatest ways of explaining that. What I meant to say is disadvantage, again, I truly believe free weights are better. The reason being is because machines make you sit down, where as with free weights your not sitting. You sit down enough during the day, don't go to the gym to sit on your ass.
Have you been in any commercial gyms? Have you watched the guys training their "beach muscles"?
Yes, obviously I have been in commercial gyms, but if your trying to say that we should modify things because of improper form, then we would have to modify just about every single exercise. Also, just because there are some people who go into a gym without a clue on how to do a workout, doesn't mean that there are not people who do know how to lift the weights. So instead of modifying the workouts to make them easier, (yes, lying down is much easier. See below) we should be fixing improper form.
Doing a bicep curl is easier than a standing one simply because of the fact that you are lying down. When you are standing up, you have to balance the weights.
Another point. The reason Lee does this exercise is to improve the form. While it may improve form in one area, it hinder form in another area, ie, his back. He even says in his video that he is going to be lying flat on his back, flat meaning no arching.
The one thing I really don't like about this video is that they seem to really take away from the standing bicep curl and try to make it sound like its such a bad exercise while it's actually a great exercise. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2010 12:13:55 PM | | I watched it again (video) with my two friends...I do not know..to us it just looked "odd" however I hang with guys who try to do all they can with free weights and proper form. They did comment his form is "okay" but it was not what they would ever recommend anyone to do. Again, that is just from another opinion . My friends said they feel lying down is just not going to hit the right areas, and give the right isolation. But, what works for one person may not work for another. All I know is I am being trained NOT to take any short cuts. And my friends saw this as a short cut. Who knows. I just am doing what I am told and am doing much better than I was a couple months ago. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2010 12:48:37 PM | | I don't know if this adds to the conversation, but he is 11 weeks out from a bodybuilders competition and his biceps were lagging, hence the isolation movement. | |
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