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 homersimpson086
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I don't understand why people love to blame individual politicians for all the worlds problems. Don't they understand that politicians just represent their constituents? In other words don't shoot the messenger. If a politician is racist and bigoted it is because that is what their constituents are like.

If you want to fix the world, start by doing your part to make your fellow people aware of your side of the issues. Don't think that changing the politician will change the people. They are just a spokesperson for the constituents, so can be easily replaced on-the-fly.

My gripe with this stems from people constantly bashing people likes Sarah Palin and Obama. Yes, they do have some power to exercise their own judgment. But they cannot deviate far from what their constituents want, otherwise they will be voted out. Last, remember that famous quote, "people get the government that they deserve".
 Revilors
Joined: 10/9/2008
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Why do people always blame politicians for everything when it's the people to blame
Posted: 7/26/2010 12:22:54 PM

Don't they understand that politicians just represent their constituents? In other words don't shoot the messenger.



Yeah...on the campaign trail...they at least say they do.


If you want to fix the world, start by doing your part
 Lint Spotter
Joined: 8/27/2009
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Why do people always blame politicians for everything when it's the people to blame
Posted: 7/26/2010 12:53:26 PM

Don't think that changing the politician will change the people. They are just a spokesperson for the constituents, so can be easily replaced on-the-fly.
I disagree with these statements.

Politicians will often effect change that is contrary to what their campaign promises indicated and they will claim that they had no choice but to follow through with their contrary actions. Furthermore, it isn't always simple to remove a politician from office... they have terms that require a new election in order to remove them so being "replaced on-the-fly" isn't accurate in the least.

I feel we need to hold our politicians accountable for their actions - once that accountability is in place with checks and balances, we'll find that there will be a different breed of politician.
 homersimpson086
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Why do people always blame politicians for everything when it's the people to blame
Posted: 7/26/2010 1:05:17 PM
Not all constituents think alike. Any decision a politician makes is bound to alienate part of his followers at the expense of pleasing others. It is a fine balancing act, i.e how to please most of the constituents most of the time.

To get elected, of course a politician has to be responsive to all his constituents demands, no matter how ridiculous they may be . Again it's an art to be able to give the impression you care when you know many groups have no money or power behind their agenda.

Sure it would be great if all dogs received first-class health care, but is that practical? And if a politician told those people how dumb and naive their idea is, would he ever get elected. Instead he carefuly crafts words that empathizes with their cause and after getting elected puts it way in the back-burner.
 Revilors
Joined: 10/9/2008
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Why do people always blame politicians for everything when it's the people to blame
Posted: 7/26/2010 2:20:38 PM

Any decision a politician makes is bound to alienate part of his followers at the expense of pleasing others.


Sure...they are expensive. Just ask the special interest groups, corporations and industries. They pay plenty. And if voted out...the politician doesn't go wee wee wee...all the way home...he goes ha ha ha....all the way to the bank.


To get elected, of course a politician has to be responsive to all his constituents demands, no matter how ridiculous they may be . Again it's an art to be able to give the impression you care when you know many groups have no money or power behind their agenda.


No...all they have are votes. And once they have the votes...all bets are off.
 az109
Joined: 7/3/2010
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Posted: 7/26/2010 3:07:17 PM
The bargain of constituency is to designate and empower a representative or agent to act on your behalf. People blame those agents for not doing what they said they would do.

Politicians lie to get elected. Then the voters rightly blame the politicians for lying. You don't hear people blaming politicians for doing what they promised.

It's like the fire department. We pay taxes to pay firefighters to fight fires. The hiring process is specific about firefighting being the duty of the firefighter. Then what if the firefighters decided to not fight any fires? Buildings and towns burn down. The people get mad and say the firefighters should have gone to put those fires out. The people don't say, oh, well, we have only ourselves to blame for hiring the wrong firefighters.

The difference with politics is that voters don't act quickly to impeach the wayward politicians. The blame is well placed. I get that. What baffles me is why, after a politician proves by their actions once elected themselves to be a liar, scoundrel, cheat and fraud, don't the voters immediately campaign to have them removed from office?

Maybe the voters don't know they can do that. If not, then let's blame the civics teachers who failed to educate them in their duties, rights and powers as citizens.
 nipoleon
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Why do people always blame politicians for everything when it's the people to blame
Posted: 7/26/2010 6:59:22 PM
Here's the truth..... get used to it......
Most People Don't Care.
Most People Don't Care.
Once again....
Most People Don't Care.

Most people think politics is boring and they don't care to pay attention to it. They stuck their heads up their own backsides when they were 10 years old and it's been there ever since.
Most people think politics doesn't have anything to do with their lives.
Most people can name more NFL quarterbacks than U.S. Senators.

Are you a liberal or conservative ? Do you watch FOX or MSNBC regularly ?
Professional Wrestling and MMA regularly get much higher ratings than FOX and MSNBC combined !

Most people simply don't care about politics and the politicians like it that way.
 The Theory Of Everything
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Why do people always blame politicians for everything when it's the people to blame
Posted: 7/27/2010 12:39:17 AM
"Most people simply don't care about politics and the politicians like it that way. "

It's voter apathy born about by the belief their vote does not make any difference..

The political system is the same old tune just played by different bands from time to time..
 nipoleon
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Posted: 7/27/2010 3:14:49 AM
If the majority of people cared about politics the way they care about sports, our country would be a new " garden of Eden " today.

I've always been amazed at people who complain about " crooked " politicians, yet can't seem to name specific instances or the politicians involved.
Back when Bill Clinton was president, a guy I know was calling Hillary a ****.
I told him, " I don't understand it, what exactly is it that Hillary has done that people hate her so much " ?
He couldn't name any specific thing, nothing. He only knew she was a ****.
 21stcenturymind
Joined: 7/12/2010
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Why do people always blame politicians for everything when it's the people to blame
Posted: 7/28/2010 6:01:25 PM
The people do not choose their government. Politics is a business, not representation of the masses. Voters get a choice of the candidates that are chosen for them by the two party system. Until there are no more political parties, there will not be free choice.
 The Theory Of Everything
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Posted: 7/30/2010 5:01:01 AM
"Until there are no more political parties, there will not be free choice."

Aha...

Washington continues to advance his idea of the dangers of sectionalism and expands his warning to include the dangers of political parties to the government and country as a whole. His warnings took on added significance with the recent creation of the Democratic-Republican Party by Jefferson, to oppose Hamilton's Federalist Party, which had been created a year earlier in 1791, which in many ways promoted the interest of certain regions and groups of Americans over others.

While Washington accepts the fact that it is natural for people to organize and operate within groups like political parties, he also argues that every government has recognized political parties as an enemy and has sought to repress them because of their tendency to seek more power than other groups and take revenge on political opponents. He argues that these parties' efforts to seize power and exact revenge upon their opponents have led to horrible atrocities and will ultimately end in despotism as people throw their support behind the most powerful faction and the faction focuses on increasing their own power instead of promoting the public liberty.

Washington goes on to acknowledge the fact that parties are sometimes beneficial in promoting liberty in monarchies, but argues that political parties must be restrained in a popularly elected government because of their tendency to distract the government from their duties, create unfounded jealousies amongst groups and regions, raise false alarms amongst the people, promote riots and insurrection, and provide foreign nations and interests access to the government where they can impose their will upon the country.

At the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin was asked, "What have you wrought?"

He answered, "A Republic, if you can keep it."

Jury's out and it's not looking so promising Comrade!
 21stcenturymind
Joined: 7/12/2010
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Why do people always blame politicians for everything when it's the people to blame
Posted: 7/30/2010 9:56:51 AM
"Divide and Conquer" is how governments keep control. As long as the party system has one faction pitted against another, there is no liberty.

Nice point with the bringing up the rich, white guys that founded this country because they didn't want to pay their taxes.
 valenciacityx
Joined: 3/10/2009
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Posted: 7/30/2010 11:15:24 AM
congress should be sacked, they are useless, there is no way they read those last 2500 page behemouth bills that went through
bother listening to their constituents (less than 40% wanted healthcare, now that we are READING the bill, that number is dropping)
put cats in their spots, at least we would have the expectation that they would do nothing.... including quit f-ing things up.
Calico for congress
 JackDiamond312
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Why do people always blame politicians for everything when it's the people to blame
Posted: 7/30/2010 11:43:44 AM

Nice point with the bringing up the rich, white guys that founded this country because they didn't want to pay their taxes.


Thats getting old, spin it how ever you like, but not all of the founders were these rich greedy characters you want to make them out to be, and they were not all slave owning white men, who didn't want to pay their taxes. It was about taxation without representation, It was about Colony survival, it was going on in Europe as well, the 80 years war between the Netherlands and Spain was partly the same reason (Taxation without Representation), as well as a right to have freedom of religion, breaking from Orthodox Catholic control.

But I suppose the real history no longer matters, lets just make it sound the way it works for our ideology.

The people elect a politician into office, and they can ask to have their interests be put forth by the politician they voted in, this does not mean they will please everyone. But we also have politicians, most, for the most part who have their own agenda, and only are concerned with the people at home when it comes time for their votes.

Why do people blame politicians, because they are the person in position to make decisions, and they are the ones who people feel do not represent their interests, you can say you voted them in, it's your fault... but you can't make them do what you feel is best.
 21stcenturymind
Joined: 7/12/2010
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Posted: 7/30/2010 5:03:24 PM
Real history shows that when our country was founded, only land owning men could vote. There was even a stipulation as to how much owned land was necessary to qualify. Whether you call it taxation without representation or just not wanting to pay the taxes(which were increased significantly by the British whenever they felt like it) is the same- tea in the harbor...and we can't blame BP for that spill.

The people chose who is on the ballot, not who gets on the ballot. I used to write in names of qualified people until I found out that they don't count unless the person wrote in has filed to run for the office. At least that is how it is in WV.
 anonymouslyme
Joined: 12/23/2008
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Posted: 8/12/2010 8:29:42 AM

Don't they understand that politicians just represent their constituents?
Candidates often earn their nominations or elections based on an apparent agreement with their constituent's beliefs. However, once in office, several things happen. first, there is a LOT of red tape to go through in getting anything done. There are other politicians who have conflicting views about how things should be done, using all their political pull to accomplish their agenda, so a lot of it is a power struggle between the parties. Just because you voted for a person that sees things the way you do, that doesn't automatically guarantee they will be able to accomplish the task. Lobbyists, providing lots of "motivation" for politicians to swing around to their point of view. And since there are many issues clamoring to be dealt with all at once, the focus shifts with the shifting priorities. Even within the same parties, people have different ideas about 'what's best' regarding different issues, so even if a politician is voted in, because he represents the veiwpoint of certain constituents on certain issues, there will undoubtedly be other issues which they won't see eye to eye on.

Politics are extremely complicated, to say "just vote in people that think like you do" is unrealistic, as things just are not that simple.
 Fresh fish is best fresh.
Joined: 7/29/2010
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Posted: 8/12/2010 8:39:39 AM
"Why do people always blame politicians for everything when it's the people to blame."

^^^Well because that would mean the people would have to take responsibility for their own actions, and we can't have that happen can we now? Yes the old saying "don't believe the hype" plays well with this situation I think. Now politicians have a habit of saying one thing and doing another thing, so the blame should go on them when that happens. Anyways the job of the politician is to get elected and to get votes. So of course they are going to say this or that.
 hippyhip
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Posted: 8/12/2010 11:46:39 PM
Therefore what do you propose to do your part?.........Why do people accept all that is shoved down their throat from these politicians............When was the last time American people demonstrated on the streets and protested what is being handed to them by the corrupted politicians?
 Coma White
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Posted: 8/13/2010 6:20:29 PM
There are pretty much only two people to vote for. No third party candidate will ever get in unless he becomes a corporate whore to get enough money to compete with the Democratic and Republican parties. I don't think these politicians represent the people at all. I think they represent global bankers and big business. Check out how many debates Ron Paul won before they picked McCain to represent the Republican party. It's just a popularity contest and different groups shell out big amounts of cash to get their guy in.
 JRodriguez81
Joined: 2/24/2010
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Posted: 8/14/2010 5:27:27 AM
For the most part, do people really believe it matters who is voted into high office?


This country has ran a particular way for hundreds of years. I dont see that changing anytime soon.



Frankly, at this point, I honestly believe the President himself is just a talking head.
 pirateheaven
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Posted: 8/15/2010 7:17:29 PM

Last, remember that famous quote, "people get the government that they deserve".


that is true to a point. However, incumbents get re-elected over 95% of the time. Yet the approval ratings for the politicians are less than 20%. What that tells me is that the advantage of being an incumbent with a war chest of money provides them with such an advantage that challengers rarely can beat them.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 8/15/2010 7:27:08 PM
Incumbents get re-elected because their voters like them. Any poll of voters will show you that they hate politicians, but like their own representative. It's the other district's voters that are stupid.

And people complain about politicians because that's the way it's supposed to work - when a political system is working everyone is grumbling. Nobody is supposed to get exactly what they want - if any one person does, then politics isn't working anymore.

Someone above me brought up the health care bill - some are complaining that it exists, others that it doesn't provide very much, still others want the "Government's hands of my Medicare." (Not all grumbling is rational) But, the final bill is a product of a system where politics works. And everybody gets to complain about the government. If you're not complaining, you're not participating.
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