| | increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their moneyPage 1 of 32 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32) | In todays' News, there is a study that shows more women are marrying for money than in 1940. The author of the report, Dr Catherine Hakim, says "there is a myth that women invariably choose to have a relationship of total equality. More and more women are choosing to marry men who are substantially better educated than them, and therefore have higher earnings."
I thought this was standard procedure, maybe she is referring to political correctness.
Here's the link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12112283 | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 6:27:57 AM | | oh no, my "total equality" myth has been destroyed!! this calls for another study. we'll call it, "why do sociologists wonder about irrelevant trends and then get thousands in grant money to study them as if they were actually important or even interesting?" or maybe, "too many feminists are sitting idle; let's think of new ways to observe social trends by extracting random bits of data in flawed studies and then pretend like there's a problem that needs us to solve it, but not before taking up at least 24,971 pages in academic journals that nobody reads." | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 6:59:49 AM | | This (so-called study?), who were the test subjects, where did these women live, what was the age demographics of the women in this study? I looked at your link to this article, it told me no more than you did in your post. Motown was right, thou$ands of tax payer dollars paid for a useless article that most people will never read. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 7:00:58 AM |
In todays' News, there is a study that shows more women are marrying for money than in 1940 I kinda don't get that.
I mean, back in the 40's most of the women who married were an "at home" wife/mother. They weren't out earning money to put into the marriage... and if so, then at very little pay to contribute to the marriage monies. It was the husbands money that "kept" them. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 7:07:16 AM | More and more women are choosing to marry men who are substantially better educated than them, and therefore have higher earnings . If that is the criteria for marrying for money it's rather a weak survey.
What's next a study of the trend in men marrying for sex ( is that an oxymoron ? ) based on the number of married couples without children? Did the study also conclude that one apple plus two oranges equals a pear. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 7:14:33 AM | It makes more sense to marry a man who has a great or greater earning capacity especially if you are going to have children. Even those women who want to have a career outside the home are ultimately more responsible for the rearing of their children and are required to make the necessary arrangements for the children's health care needs, extra curricular activities, etc. That means more women have to take off when their children need them than do the men. Which can mean being passed over for raises in salary, loss of wages due to lost time for an ill child, and potential job losses or promotions due to excessive time off being needed.
I've noticed more and more younger women marrying older men. I wondered why that was until I thought about it a while. Younger men are often not ready to settle down, are not ready to be responsible and so marrying a man who is older offers a younger woman the opportunity to have the family she wants and a more secure mate.
On the other hand, I've also noticed young men looking at older women more and more. This makes me wonder if we have a problem and the youth of today feel they need to latch on to secure older relationships due to economic realities as they stand currently.
Anyway, just more to think about. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 7:24:17 AM | This leads me to ask all sorts of questions that are not answered on the website.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/degrees-97395-getting-women.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/13/AR2010091306555.html
In the US, more women are getting a higher education than men, who the heck are these women marrying?
The report seems to be based solely on women marrying men with more education than they have. The idea that an advanced degree brings in more money does not always hold true. I have an MA and last year, made about $30,000 as a part-time college instructor. My boyfriend has a BA in engineering and will make ten times that much.
In order to substantiate this claim, the study needs to reflect the actual EARNING power of couples and not their education status.
Where was this study done? Since this was on BBC news, I assume it was a British study, though the new report doesn't say which institution conducted it. Whom did they study? There is a mass influx of Mid-Eastern and East Indian into Britain: were they included in the study? Were they the main focus? If so, cultural trends of these socio-economic classes might not reflect on the somewhat indigenous population of the British Isles.
Why can't a woman be equal to her husband even if he makes more money? In my relationship, I am certainly not the inferior! I dunno, but the researcher seems to be reaching faulty conclusions. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 7:30:26 AM | And how does this fit with the fact that 57% of college students in the U.S. are women? And that women are more likely to graduate from college than men?
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/01/29/women-more-likely-than-men-to-graduate-college-at-22/
BTW, more education doesn't mean higher earnings. The Ph.D.s that I know who do medical research don't earn all that much. Adjunct professors at universities (and very few professors get tenure any more) don't earn much. Education does not necessarily mean higher wages.
On the other hand, the younger guys I talk to all believe that young women place a high value on a guy's earning potential and won't date guys if they don't have money. I don't know if it's true or not. It could be another lame excuse by guys who aren't hitting it off with women. But they all tell me that.
Whatever. It doesn't affect me personally.
I do wonder. If they're comparing to the 1940s - in those days most women didn't work outside the home and when they chose a marriage partner, you *know* a guy's ability to provide for a family had to be an important factor in a woman's choice. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 7:40:08 AM |
As for the young ones wanting a wealthy older man....have at it. If the guy is gullible enough to not realize she's with him for money and not for his amazing stamina and dashing sagging skin good looks...then it's his problem.
Nothing about AGE in the OP Butterfly. This is about money. Don't spin the vinyl. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 8:05:20 AM | Ho hum!
Its clear to me that most women give no thought to the money or earning potential of a prospective mate. That is why they all end up with unemployable bums that live off of them, steal from them, and abuse them in a state of drug and booze fueled rage.
Duh.....
Of course women marry for money, so do men. What are you going to do? Pick someone that will make you poor? I really don't think so..... | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 8:16:48 AM |
Nothing about AGE in the OP Butterfly. This is about money. Don't spin the vinyl.
Ahhh....true enough....there I go assuming.
Nevertheless....IF someone (regardless of age) is not realizing that another is marrying them for their money....then it's still their problem. I do believe that some people are so desperate to not be alone that they ignore the warning signs.
How would you know if someone is marrying you only for your money?....I guess you wouldn't unless you were in the relationship long enough and watch for the signs of economic and financial importance. Or....if the more financially set person suggested a prenup before wedding vows were exchanged.
In todays' News, there is a study that shows more women are marrying for money than in 1940
I kinda don't get that.
I mean, back in the 40's most of the women who married were an "at home" wife/mother. They weren't out earning money to put into the marriage... and if so, then at very little pay to contribute to the marriage monies. It was the husbands money that "kept" them.
I also agree with this.....back in the 40's, there were very few options open to women. Most did not have the same earning potential as men. Marrying well or marrying someone with a stable income was more of a necessity rather than a luxury.
On the other hand, the younger guys I talk to all believe that young women place a high value on a guy's earning potential and won't date guys if they don't have money. I don't know if it's true or not. It could be another lame excuse by guys who aren't hitting it off with women. But they all tell me that.
I believe it's a lame excuse. Most of the young ladies I know through my daughter (20) are educated and financially stable. If the young men are feeling that they are being pushed aside for someone with a higher earning potential...it's more than likely because the young women don't want to date someone who is not at their level and seek out a partner who IS closer to their own earning potential for future happiness.
I'm curious if the men that have told you this are kind that have not done much to further their own financial growth. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 8:25:46 AM | Would need to look at the study, but from the snippet presented on the BBC it would appear her conclusions are a bit whack (sometimes happens with these sound bites of the sexy conclusion from a study - gosh I hate that!). She’s looking at the difference in educational attainment and speculating that if women wanted equality, they would be seeking men with the same level of education (and thus the same earnings potential). She doesn’t seem to address that - in North America at least - women are the higher income earner in about 30% of relationships.
I assume it is a British study but even so, I assume education follows roughly similar trends between Britain and North America. Half of the population had a grade 8 education in the 40‘s with only 4% of women and 6% of men graduating college. Post secondary education had a massive jump in attendance after WWII, mainly through GI bills and the like, and post secondary education now is at the highest levels in history. In 1940, only 30% of 18 or 19 year olds were in school, which had doubled by the 90’s.
In general, women have always looked to marry “a good provider” and, even though the definition has changed over the years, I still see bits of that thinking holding over. Perhaps THAT is what this researcher is actually getting at. Although there is equality in education (and earning potential) you’ll still find most (not all) women say they want a man who earns AT LEAST the same or more than them while most (not all and gradually declining << which might actually be the bigger "news", but I doubt people would hear it) men are still willing to partner up with someone who earns less/has less education. Arguably, the vestiges of “provider” thinking is alive and well only now it is called “female entitlement”.
Edit to add: I don't think it is a case of marrying "ONLY for money" - just the relative importance placed on that factor. Thinking about it, the study might actually reveal the shift in thinking of what's "good enough". I imagine in the 40's it was "good enough" if you had enough to eat and some clothes to wear, and the man who provided that was valued as a "good provider" but now we've become increasingly more materialistic as a society and someone who meets the necessities of life *tends* to be valued lower than someone who has an iphone and travels south each winter. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 8:31:52 AM |
I thought this was standard procedure, maybe she is referring to political correctness.
I think you are right. "Marrying up" is pretty much standard procedure.
Hakim seems to be trying to prove current equality laws (at least in the UK) are actually hurting society, and equality laws need to be, well, equal to everyone rather than promoting (or forcing) the same outcome or goals for everyone.
How it's presented on that link is misleading IMO. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 8:32:39 AM | I stand little chance of meeting anyone with money.....boo hoo.
The trouble is, regardless of the job they claim to have, few men in my locale actually have a job at all and seem to be doing very little about it. They also seem to live in bedsits, or a room in somebody else's house and want to move in after the coffee date.
I'm not as green as I am cabbage looking. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 8:57:48 AM |
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
You post this like it's a bad thing. I am going to be totally frank and earnest here. I would marry for money at this point of my life at the drop of a hat. I tried the marry for love thing, it didn't work out so good.
The only reason most people look down on those doing it is because of jealousy. " Ohhhh I would never marry for money" yea well nobody asked you, or plan on asking you so you will never ever be faced with such a dilemma..
Hell I might even marry a man if there is enough money involved, and I am one of the biggest homophobes on POF. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 9:01:42 AM | Of course women marry for money, so do men. What are you going to do? Pick someone that will make you poor? I really don't think so.....
This makes perfect sense. I would never choose someone who would lower my standard of living---hence my seeking of a financially secure mate. While not wealthy, he and I are both "comfortable". | |
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