| | Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?Page 1 of 2 (1, 2) | The government is planning a massive sell off of our national forests.
It is expected that these will auctioned off and turned into such things as golf courses and holiday villages or fenced off and logged.
Do you think the government has a right to do this?
Have forests not always been a place of freedom and enjoyment for all?
I can provide a link about this if you wish to read further(there is also a petition against this proposal) | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/16/2011 4:15:48 AM | | omg no this is horrible or forests are homes to the animals ... i f you could on fish send me a link to the petition ..We are going to lose wildlife if this happens ..Have human beings got to take over everything ...I love forest walks well thats exactly were i can meet the real bambis ............. This one has my blood boiling one id personaly fight to stop .............. | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/16/2011 4:24:59 AM | Do you think the government has a right to do this?
Have forests not always been a place of freedom and enjoyment for all?
yes a place of freedom and enjoyment for all... but how often do "all" actually make the time to enjoy them..? for myself i have to say never, or very very rarely...
the government is looking for money and dont seem to care where it comes from, so i suppose we shouldnt be surprised that they are prepared to sacrifice the flora and fauna... golf courses and holiday villages generate money, it doesnt matter to them that this will only benefit the higher income earners... isnt this what we expect nowadays anyway....? | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/16/2011 4:32:59 AM |
es a place of freedom and enjoyment for all... but how often do "all" actually make the time to enjoy them..? for myself i have to say never, or very very rarely...
the government is looking for money and dont seem to care where it comes from, so i suppose we shouldnt be surprised that they are prepared to sacrifice the flora and fauna... golf courses and holiday villages generate money, it doesnt matter to them that this will only benefit the higher income earners... isnt this what we expect nowadays anyway....?
But that's just the thing..whether we personally spend a lot; a little or no time in our forests; that doesn't give the government the right to 'privatise' them; sell them or knock them down..after all knock our forests down and destroy our wildlife and trees(which is one of our main sources of oxygen)and what do we have left but ugly buildings and money making schemes!
The forests are a 'public domain' for everyone's enjoyment and always should be!
We shouldn't just sit back and expect it to happen but at least try our best to stop it from doing so. | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/16/2011 4:37:08 AM | My mother lives next to some beautiful greenbelt close to Birmingham Airport. There was always a lot of confusion over who owned the land and after some searching it was discovered that Elmdon Heath had been gifted to the people of Elmdon by Isaac Spooner.
After a bit f a scrap with the then Government and some help from David Bellamy it was decided to hand the land over to the Forestry Commission and they have worked wonders, turning this scrubland into beautiful true English deciduous woodland. We have an abundance of wildlife including deer, badgers, foxes, watervoles, grass snakes and many more.
Now, because the airport fancies a bit of extra land, laws are being ignored, ownership and bequeathment means nothing and if the airport decide they want to put the runway 20 feet from my mothers' back door then tough shit!
We have some stunning countryside and we should do all we can to protect it. There are plenty of brownfield sites available for development, Use those first!! | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/16/2011 4:48:40 AM | ^The same sort of thing happened near to myself as well; the council were going to take over 'Oxleas woods' and knock it down to build a road.
David Bellamy(good ol David)got involved with that too and with a strong petition the proposals were withdrawn and the woods were left as they were.
I mean in all honesty do we really want to lose our forests and woodlands?
Bambi..I sent you a message and the link.:)
But for those who wish to also sign here it is..
http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/save-our-forests#petition
I wasn't even aware myself this was happening until a friend of mine told me about it yesterday..and I personally was disgusted by it all! | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/16/2011 4:58:29 AM | | One of my best memorys is up at rannoch moore just of the rest and be thankfull there is a small forrest. Iwas walking with my dad we were quiet ..I then sees a massive big stag it never ran away . It stood there watching me i was in tears it was just so beautifull. I whispered to dad why isnt it running he said it must feel its safe and that you love him ..fact is i did love him ive been in awe of this animal my whole life (he just stood there looking at me he was magnifisant ,beautifull and it was precious to me yes even took a picture he still didnt run) I love the forest the wildlife as do my children this cant happen the though provokes total anger in me .. anyone who nows me nows this is extremly difficult ... But im angry very very angry............. Im not known as bambi for nothing got the link and thankyou im takin action ... | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/16/2011 5:07:46 AM | | Hope they dont as im off to see 'Simple Minds' in Dalby forest later in the year. The forest gigs are pretty good my anyones reckoning. Great setting an better than some faceless stadium venue | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/16/2011 4:46:16 PM |
But that's just the thing..whether we personally spend a lot; a little or no time in our forests; that doesn't give the government the right to 'privatise' them; sell them or knock them down..after all knock our forests down and destroy our wildlife and trees(which is one of our main sources of oxygen)and what do we have left but ugly buildings and money making schemes!
The forests are a 'public domain' for everyone's enjoyment and always should be!
We shouldn't just sit back and expect it to happen but at least try our best to stop it from doing so.
Doesnt look like people have much choice the government will do what they like no matter how many people voice their opinions , they dont care about us as people with a voice they care about money , people can shout and scream as much as they want but it wont make any difference to their decisions. | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/16/2011 10:54:27 PM | ^^^Yorkshire Girl, this govt. have already shown that they will back down and U-turn if enough people shout at them. OK it didn't work with uni tuition fees, but if we don't stand up and say "This is wrong." then they'll do it with an easy conscience.
They are prepared to sell their own grandmothers to 'clear the deficit' while idly standing by as the banks give out huge bonuses to the people that got us in this mess in the first place.
Well, not in my name. I've signed the petition and I'm prepared to demonstrate against their raping of the state and the countryside. The way things are going, we'll need those forests to live in a la Robin Hood as more and more people will drop through society's net, finding themselves homeless and completely broke. | |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 2:39:24 AM | I so agree Hula Moo!
Woodland has been saved by the right people getting involved and petitions being signed in the past.
Basically if we all just gave up and said they can get what they want and we won't do anything about it then that's just a cop out.
The more people stand against this the more it will be made publicly aware of what their proposals are...we need to at least try! | |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 3:03:37 AM | A lot of our 'national forests' are glorified conifer plantations - if these proposals (and that's what they are, so much suggestion) mean that the national forest gets proper husbandry rather than being a glorified fence post factory, then I can't see a problem. We need a lot more detail yet!
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/17/2011 6:17:47 AM | | It would be a massive shame to loose our national forests. I do suppose that the cost to upkeep them may be higher than revenue created, so maybe introduce a charge to enter them? | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/17/2011 7:20:16 AM | The National Trust owns many acres of parkland that is successfully managed and retained. Just because some of it may be transferred to different ownership doesn't mean all our forests will be completely denuded.
Bit of over-reacting going on here I think.... | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/17/2011 8:53:07 AM |
The National Trust owns many acres of parkland that is successfully managed and retained. Just because some of it may be transferred to different ownership doesn't mean all our forests will be completely denuded.
Bit of over-reacting going on here I think....
There's Over-reacting and there is UNDER acting and just sitting back and doing nothing of course I suppose.
How can anyone not worry that the natural things we have to enjoy at the moment may well be swept from under our noses and auctioned off to the highest bidder to do with what they will.
What makes you think that once one forest has been sold the government will not stop there...?
I for one have signed the petition..all it took was 2 minutes of my time! | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/17/2011 9:48:32 AM | You're damn right this petition needs signing ... this is akin to selling the family silver in my view....
Quite apart from everything else, this will affect rallying (one of my hobbies ) on a national scale too . Now, I dont suppose for one minute that you lot will care a jot about the lack of venues for people to throw their rally cars around, but Dalby Forest is one of the classics, and Stang Forest down the road has already been sold - meaning that the upcoming Tour of Hamsterley Rally (May) has lost 30% of last years route ... if the Welsh forests go the same way , then goodbye to the British round of the World Rally Championship (Wales Rally GB)
It does not only affect rallying : mountain biking and even walking could be under threat (or at least subject to inflated private charges) which affects a lot more people...
The Rallying community is already aware of the petition, but do the government take any notice of online petitions ? Or protest groups ..>? Didn't make any difference about going to war in Iraq, as I recall.....
Petition signed . | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/17/2011 10:02:45 AM |
The National Trust owns many acres of parkland that is successfully managed and retained. Just because some of it may be transferred to different ownership doesn't mean all our forests will be completely denuded.
Bit of over-reacting going on here I think....
No, it might not be denuded, it might be just closed. Once the forests are in private hands I'm sure the new owners would make sure that the plebs wouldn't be able to wander about freely as they do now. Or rally through it, like Oggers does. Or take the dog for a walk.
The point is, these forests belong to the country, the collusion govt have no right whatsoever to flog them off. | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 1/17/2011 10:05:37 AM | Just signed the petition, how much notice the gov takes of online petitions (even the ones run on their own site) however I'd rather sign it than not on this issue.
Last thing we need is forestry turned into housing estates or worse another "centre parcs" kind of thing | |
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Posted: 2/21/2011 2:38:52 AM | Caroline Spelman issued an apology on Friday as she scrapped plans to sell off England’s forests, telling MPs: “I’m sorry, we got this one wrong.”
The Environment Secretary’s act of contrition helped to calm the political storm the Government provoked with its controversial scheme to offload 637,000 acres of woodlands from public ownership.
Just 24 hours after David Cameron condemned the sell-off plans, she said she was halting the public consultation into the scheme, which had been due to run for another nine weeks, and was setting up an expert panel to look into forestry policy. She told the Commons: “I am doing so because it is clear from the early responses to the consultation that the public and many MPs are not happy with the proposals we set out.”
lets all hope this is the end of this idea for good but needs a close watching | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 2/21/2011 3:29:24 AM | Just goes to show where the priorities of some of the british people lay , theres job losses , hospitals closing ,fuel going up schools closing ,libraries closing and lots more cuts and increases and the people of britain petition about a few trees being sold off  | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 2/21/2011 7:59:38 AM | Well as a person who loves mother nature i see its importance you have no trees and folage im afraid we will stop breathing ... Global warming look what thats doing if we dont start careing about our world we wont have one simple as... If we have no oxygen we wont need schools we wont need hospitals we just wont breath Environment
Problems and solutions for repairing and sustaining the environment.
You'd think it would be obvious that if you change one thing on the planet, even a small thing, and it will in some way affect everything else. Most people don't see or understand this, at least on a level that matters. Rather than give a long winded explanation of what is happening to our environment, I'll summarize: When you destroy trees, you remove not just a small part of the planet's ecosystem, you remove a MAJOR part of it. What is an ecosystem? . . . Basically a system of life. I'm not just talking about bugs and birds. We are all part of Earth's system, which includes the air we breathe, food we eat and water we drink.
One of the most critical part of that ecosystem is trees. Trees are vital to the processing of gases in our atmosphere, including but not limited to oxygen. They are also vital to the life cycle of water, soil fertility so it can produce food, the cooling down of our planet, to sustain countless life forms and much more. Again, trees are not just a minor part of our planet, they FUNDAMENTAL to life on this planet. But what are we doing with them? We are cutting them down when we should be planting them. Yes wood is great for furniture and building houses, but the rapid clearing of forests is literally killing our planet.
Imagine a space ship where you couldn't land on any planet, and you needed to be 100% self-sufficient. You would need an on-board complete ecosystem to sustain your own life. You would literally need an on-board forest, including all the bugs, bees, soil, sunlight and more needed for the ecosystem to be complete. Now imagine if you removed all the trees. Gradually everything would die off, and you would not survive. This is exactly what is happening on Earth.
Primary environmental problems:
•Trees are being cut down faster than they are being replaced. This reduces water that completes the cycle, reduces trees further, degrades air and soil quality, and reduces life in general. Everything suffers. Trees are ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.
•Water is being polluted. Nothing can survive without water. Polluting water is no different to polluting life itself.
so you see 46 and normal it isnt a few trees we are killing of the EARTH having a young 10 yr old child and a little grandaughter i want them to have a life so i no how important that petition was ... global warming will kill us all | |
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Posted: 2/21/2011 8:37:08 AM |
so you see 46 and normal it isnt a few trees we are killing of the EARTH having a young 10 yr old child and a little grandaughter i want them to have a life so i no how important that petition was ... global warming will kill us all
i understand where you are coming from there , but also wouldnt you want your child to have an education , to be able to get nhs treatment , to be able to go to university , and also for you to be able to give your child security that they have food on the table and a roof over their heads , as eventually alot will become homeless and struggling for food the way the government it acting | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 2/21/2011 8:44:04 AM | The Condemned have just put this on the back-boiler. On further investigation it found that the Forestry Commission was quite efficient. BUT - the MAIN reason was it also found out that much of its land it doesn't own, but is let to it on peppercorn rents on leases going back decades. So the huge quick bucks they hoped to make in selling off the assets many of us use and love and the woodlands that are tended and nurtured, just aren't there. WE now have to wait for some back peddling on the infeasible plans they have for our NHS and other loony announcements to sell off other bits of 'The family china' a la Thatcher.
Meanwhile they've fiddled with corporation tax to ensure their mates in the financial sector who screwed everything up don't have to pay much of it, can still afford to give obscene bonuses and, of course, are motivated to carry on giving the Tories £11+ million p.a. in donations. | |
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| Sell off of our national forests;is this fair?
Posted: 2/21/2011 9:01:21 AM | | I care about my planet your planet everybodys planet 46 and normal education 3 yrs ago i went to war with the education dep here in glasgow i won . i dont sit on my ass moaning about stuff im activly involved .. the nursery strikes few yrs back i was in all the demonstrations peacfull ones poll tax i never sat and took that either . One thing i learned from my very dyxlexic mother was to use my mouth . those beautifull beautifull trees my beautifull homeland its what i love i respect nature with everything that is me cause it keeps me breathing ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ post above yes im watching closely for a fly move i dont trust goverments only politician i ever respected was tommy sheridan he at least would stand up for what he believed himself .. the rest are a bunch of jumped up snobs who destroy everything like education nhs jobs .....46 and normal ive spent my whole life admiring our beautifull country im not having some pen pusher sign it away ..... one thing i love is mother nature you slap her she will kick butt big time ....as will i if i see mother nature being threatened .... Icampaigned to keep my local hospital open we won ........ fact is this nation sit on there bums and moan that does nothing ... | |
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