| | Question about genetically modified foods (gmo's)Page 1 of 3 (1, 2, 3) | There's a new documentary out called "Scientists Under Attack...Genetic engeneering in the magnetic field of money"
Just saw the trailer on it, looks pretty interesting, anyhow my question is................about 98% of corn grown in North America is genetically modified and that corn is the main staple in the cow's and chicken's diet aleast on the industrailzed farms, so the meat that shows up in the grocery stores would be genetically modified because of what the livestock is being fed................correct? Genetically modified corn = genetically modified meat because that's what the animals are being fed = pretty sad state of affairs!!! | |
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| Question about genetically modified foods (gmo's)
Posted: 4/18/2011 5:20:24 PM |
]about 98% of corn grown in North America is genetically modified and that corn is the main staple in the cow's and chicken's diet aleast on the industrailzed farms, so the meat that shows up in the grocery stores would be genetically modified because of what the livestock is being fed................correct?
Nope.
Does not work that way.
If you want to know what a GM cow/ bull would look like here you go:
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/SeniorColloquium/04/Genetic%20Testing/bull.jpg
The fact that beef is eating any corn is the big problem, not that it is GM corn.
Buy your beef locally from someone that raised grass feed cows. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2011 5:31:14 PM | | ^^^^^^^^I don't eat meat, I'm a vegetarian...................pretty wild picture, but I'm absolutely sure the gmo corn is going to have an effect on the quality of the meat as to regular corn, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you that beef shouldn't be eating any corn, should just be grass fed. But the fact is they are still being fed corn and genetically modified on top of that, doesn't that make the meat even worse? | |
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Posted: 4/18/2011 5:52:24 PM | But the fact is they are still being fed corn and genetically modified on top of that, doesn't that make the meat even worse?
i think the bottom line is that we're all guinea pigs in the experiment. wanna play? you will find arguments pro, and you will find arguments con, but the simple truth is who the hell knows.... because it just has not been around long enough for us to know the long-term effects and "unintended consequences".
i reject GMO crops based solely on the fuck-you principle, because what monsanto is doing to farmers (for example) is beyond the pale. plus, there is already contamination going on between "roundup-ready" crops and stuff that hasn't been GMO'd. i don't care if GMO crops are completely innocuous, i don't want them, and people should have the freedom to choose as opposed to having this patented crap crammed down their throats by default... simple! market forces, you capitalist pigs.
oh and up yours, monsanto. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2011 9:37:34 PM | Yes, it makes it worse. The solution to it is for people to stop buying it. Good luck there.
I won't buy GMO beef, poultry, etc. I will only buy grass fed, free range meat. Organic. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2011 6:51:17 AM | GMO synthetics were created strictly for the profits of the creators, not for the benefit of anything or anyone else.
If there is collateral damage, then the creators' argument is that the benefits (profits) outweigh the dead/diseased/maimed victims.
Same argument with vaccines and anything from BigPharma | |
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Posted: 4/19/2011 11:04:33 AM |
But the fact is they are still being fed corn and genetically modified on top of that, doesn't that make the meat even worse?
Not really, them being fed corn is a product of quite a few things. One is the overabundance of corn in the US because of government subsidies. Corn makes up about 60% of the US agricultural output. That's why we use HFCS, livestock is primarily corn fed, ethanol, and all that other nonsens. It's because we have so much of it we really don't even know what to do with it all.
Basically just because you eat something doesn't mean it will adversely effect you, especially on the genetic level. Genes are simply segments of DNA. Eating something has no real consequence to your own DNA.
There's plenty of things that can change DNA like : time, random chance, chemicals, and radiation. Statistically speaking getting a tan is more genetically dangerous then eating a plant with a modified gene. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2011 8:59:36 AM | The real problem with GMOs is how much is unknown in terms of the ecological impact. Monsanto (and other GM producers) for their part will likely not care what their seeds do once the patents expire.
For every husk of GM corn that is grown, the seed patent owner receives a royalty. What we are seeing is a trend, the logical conclusion of which is total and absolute control of global food supply by massive corporations. Anyone who doesn't think that is sinister in the extreme needs to start doing some research. "Control the food supply and you control the people" - that is something the Nazis understood intimately. And on the subject of Nazis, BASF, one of the largest producers of GM seeds, is a spin off of IG Farben.
BT corn is engineered to produce its own pesticide so insect cannot eat it and survive. I can't believe for one minute that is safe for humans. Also it is interesting we are seeing collapse in honey bee ccolonies at the same time as these crops are proliferating - not necessarily a causal link but again we don't know the full ecological impact and interactions can be complex.
This is a major threat to the practice of "self-sustaining" farmers who save seeds from their harvests to sow in the following season (not possible with GM seeds because the plants they produce are infertile). Infact farmers who buy GM seeds are not allowed to do this and Monsanto have been extremely aggresive in taking legal action against small farmers, who cannot afford adequate legal defence against corporate behemoths, forcing them into bankruptcy.
GM seeds are currently being forced upon Iraq through the puppet government there bringing their farming completely in hock to the global corporatocracy. The same is happening across Latin America and the EU is losing its resolve in keeping GM out. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2011 9:15:00 AM | The entire push behind (Monsanto/Bayer) GM crops is not to make the crops better, but to sell, eg Round-Up REady, seeds. So the farmers can drench their crops in pesticides, herbicides, fungicides without killing the crop.
High levels of GMO agrochemicals found in breast milk of Brazilian mothers
http://www.naturalnews.com/z032135_breast_milk_herbicides.html
The BigChem makers of the chemicals and GMO seed suppliers have been waging a war on scientists who report on the negative effects of GM food consumption. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2011 10:13:58 AM |
The entire push behind (Monsanto/Bayer) GM crops is not to make the crops better, but to sell, eg Round-Up REady, seeds. So the farmers can drench their crops in pesticides, herbicides, fungicides without killing the crop.
High levels of GMO agrochemicals found in breast milk of Brazilian mothers
It's quite possible this is (at least part of) the reason behind the suggested links found between GMO and cancers / other illnesses rather than the genetic alterations themselves. Though another factor in GM seeds is that they can grow in barren soil and as a result are not providing anywhere near the nutrient levels you would get from organic produce (or even non-organic conventional crops).
I suggest you look into Robert Verkerk's campaigns on this issue - a former post-doctoral researcher with Imperial College London, he is the founder and Executive Director of the Alliance for Natural Health campaign. Currently they are making a legal challenge to the EU Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2011 11:13:30 PM |
Basically just because you eat something doesn't mean it will adversely effect you, especially on the genetic level. Genes are simply segments of DNA. Eating something has no real consequence to your own DNA.
Here's an article (and links to verify) about two studies I think show that in fact the DNA of hamsters and rats have been changed due to being fed GMO soy.
http://permaculture.org.au/2010/05/04/genetically-modified-soy-linked-to-sterility-infant-mortality-in-hamsters/ | |
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Posted: 4/22/2011 3:23:05 AM | "Basically just because you eat something doesn't mean it will adversely effect you, especially on the genetic level. Genes are simply segments of DNA. Eating something has no real consequence to your own DNA. "
Totally wrong.
A hot area in genetics is epigenetics, how environment and food changes the expression of genes (not the damage of genes).
Women diseased and overweight from bad food and lifestyle damage their genes and pass that damage to their embryos, predisposing their children to problems. Biologicial "evolution" in a single generation, yet another devastating refutation of New Earth creationists and deniers of biological evolution, not that those people are ever concerned with science or facts. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2011 3:45:22 PM | Even after reading a bit about epigentics, what I said is still true. Food doesn't change your DNA at all, which is what you're claiming is wrong.
Epigentics are concerned with outside influences that aren't mutations, and how they may effect genes. We have give or take 23K genes, many of which aren't largely active all at the same time. Epigenetics deals with cell differentiation and expression.
Genetically all cells are the same. Epigenetic theory says that gene X will be off in this cell, and gene Y will be off in this other cell. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2011 8:23:07 PM | #
GM-Soy: Destroy the Earth and Humans for Profit
May 27, 2009 ... GM-soy is estimated to be present in up to 70% of all food products found in US supermarkets, including cereals, breads, soymilk, pasta and ...
www.naturalnews.com/026334_soy_Roundup_GMO.html
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Genetically Modified Soy
soyonlineservice.co.nz
Some 85 percent of the soy gown in the United States is Roundup Ready. ... All soy baby milk genetically modified - Dominion Post 05 September 2003 ...
www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/02gmsoy.htm
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Genetically Modified Soybean
Searches all of GMO-Compass in an instant ... Soybean production is an important industrial sector in the US and in South America. ... See also on GMO-Compass: Global cultivation area of GM soybean · GMO Food Database: Soybean ...
www.gmo-compass.org/.../19.genetically_modified_soybean.html
I'd say soy was a bigger problem. And RoundUp even bigger than that. I have a friend who inherited a farm from his dad. The problem? His dad adored RoundUp (County Ag Agent), and his farm is almost sterile. The research is there, but it is hellishly difficult to get it published in this country because of Monsanto. Turns out that RoundUp's half life is a good bit longer than Monsanto has said, and it's killing the micro organisms that make soil fertile. That make soil *soil*. . . .
Looks like bounty is on its way out. Brace for world starvation.
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Posted: 4/24/2011 3:41:16 PM | The last figure I had heard was over 125.000 Monsanto related suicides in India from GMO policies that forced them into GMO serfdom and subsequent crop failures.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1082559/The-GM-genocide-Thousands-Indian-farmers-committing-suicide-using-genetically-modified-crops.html
There is also the increasing evidence of liver and kidney damage.
http://www.naturalnews.com/028388_GM_crops_kidney_damage.html
Food Inc. documented the relationship between an unnatural reliance on corn diets imposed on cattle to a quickly shortened lifespan, just in time for being butchered for market.
The release of this Pandora's Box of GMOs, pesticides, and the unsustainable, petro-based model of the Food Chain Gang, is rarely based on science, and most often based on bribes and politics. We are the experiment. They profit. It is almost as if there is a conspiracy to dumb down the populace into a state of bovine ignorance and create the human CAFOs, fattening us up for the slaughter.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110421082519.htm | |
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Posted: 4/25/2011 8:39:25 AM | It’s hard not to: 70 percent of our corn farmland and 93 percent of soy farmland are planted with crops genetically engineered to resist pests and herbicides and increase crop yields. And in the next few years new science may provide genetically modified apples that don’t turn brown, rice that helps build up vitamin A, even an “Enviropig” which produces less phosphorus in its manure.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eatingwell/gmo-foods_b_849638.html?view=print
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The reason the GMO corps have prevented foods from being marked with GM is that they know Americans don't want to eat that crap, and wouldn't buy it if it were marked as GMO.
GM wheat is being ready to taint the planet.
btw, another disaster is nano-tech, esp nano-silver which is great for killing the bad stuff, but it also kills all the beneficial bacteria. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 2:53:00 PM | The entire rationale behind GM plants is to make them resistant to (Monsanto) agricultural chemicals, aka, Round-Up Ready plants.
Read how Monsanto and govt friends have been lying about how harmless RoundUp is:
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/150733 | |
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Posted: 4/29/2011 11:14:39 PM | LOL the corn's genes don't change an animals genes.
Our genes don't just take in whatever from the environment! Mutations can occur spontaneously or by mutagens, yes, but unless we physically insert a gene sequence into our own (with the use of viruses for example!) there is no way foreign DNA would be implicated into another genome of an animal.
Maybe you're thinking of bacteria. :) | |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 12:16:55 PM | "Our genes don't just take in whatever from the environment"
Look up epigenetics.
What you eat (and what pollutes you) changes gene expression, can change/damage genes permanently, which have been shown to pass from mother to foetus. iow, biological evolution, so vehemently, ignorantly denied by creationists, in a single generation. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 1:03:15 PM | The combo of GM tech and herbicides is essentially giving our the plants of our foodstuffs, AIDS. We are being set up for a food crash before the inevitable one from soils depletion and water shortages.
http://www.alternet.org/food/150733/why_is_damning_new_evidence_about_monsanto%27s_most_widely_used_herbicide_being_silenced/?page=entire | |
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Posted: 6/18/2011 10:09:01 PM | Humans have been controlling the genes of our foodstuffs for as long as we have been farming. GM technology is simply a new way for us to alter genes. This is an emergent technology that could offer great benefits if we learn to use it safely.
I do agree with many others here, that we are being used as guinea pigs for GM technology. The fact is that the science of genetic manipulation is nothing new, but the technology to add entirely new genes is and as such is still relatively unknown. We need to figure out what the limits of the technology are first and what the effects of making such novel changes can be to an organism before we can safely say what GM foods can and can not do.
To be using GM foods already is irresponsible, however the unintended side effects of GM foods can not be as severe as many people fear. GM crops could be bad for your health, the novel gene expression in the crops could affect your own gene expression, but this is also true of any genetically unique foodstuff. Every pig in the world has different genes and any one of them could have a gene expression that is harmful to humans.
The biggest risk with GM crops, is not the potential for human harm, but the potential for environmental/economical damage. At present, almost every GM crop is bred to be sterile, this is a way for the company to ensure farmers keep buying their crops. But though sterile, they can still cross-pollinate to other plants, leading to the risk of mass sterility in an array of crops which can lead to habitat collapse or the crops of farms that have no GM crops become sterile.
GM technology cold be of great benefit once we work out how the expression of genes can change and how genes interact with each other. Once we know that (which would probably take another thirty to fifty years of research), we would be able to engineer crops that are healthier for us to eat and have no negative side effects. We are a long way off doing knowing how to do this safely though.
Epigenetics is the expression of genes throughout a body. The environment cannot change your genetic structure, though ionising radiation and a few chemicals can alter the DNA but only in a few cells throughout the body and unless this damage occurs in sex cells and dose not cause sufficient damage to prevent that cells normal functioning, such DNA damage can not be passed on. Epigenetic traits however can be passed on. Genes within the cells can be switched on or off and many factors, including diet can influence gene expression. The way your genes are expressed can potentially be passed on to your offspring. However such changes are not permanent. A gene that is switched on by one chemical can just as easily be switched off by another.
So GM foods do have the potential to change the way our genes are expressed, but not to change our genetic structure. Non GM foods also have this exact same potential, as do the air you breath and the activities you do.
Also it is interesting we are seeing collapse in honey bee colonies at the same time as these crops are proliferating - not necessarily a causal link
Bee populations began to crash long before GM crops were even thought possible. Apple bumblebee - extinct 1864
Halictus maculatus (mining bee) - extinct 1930
Andrena polita (mining bee) - extinct 1934
Cullum's bumblebee - extinct 1941
Eucera tuberculata (mining bee) - extinct 1941
Short-haired bumblebee - extinct 1989
The British variant of the honey bee died out between 1914 and 1916, but hives were restocked with the same species of honey bees from Holland and Italy.
Hive collapse is largely down to tracheal mite infection and probably has more to do with the specific way we keep bees rather than any environmental factor. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2011 11:42:56 PM | You just have to love people who refuse to eat vegetables and fruits. The meat-eaters that live by the fact that "they must have meat in every meal" is just silly.
In fact, when one takes a big step back, and looks at the greater picture, eating meat is just eating recycled plants. You eat dead flesh (beef, chicken, fish..); those animals eat corn (should eat grass) and other plants and insects from the natural world. So in reality, you're getting a source of vegetables no matter what. Just that source is very low grade and very low nutritiously.
GMOs are all about the bottom line - profit. Maximum yield, monocultures that get the most money for the lowest cost of production - economies of scale.
Essentially, most GMOs (I think like 30%) of the produced crops are fed to the mistreated animals, which we then kill and eat. Doesn't sound very sustainable to me.
Go organic if you can. However, there are some vegetables/fruits that can be consumed if organic isn't an option, as some of these have less pesticides than others. I know avocados and onions can be bought conventional (GMO). However, organic is always the best option. Hope this helps. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2011 10:10:26 AM | Here's some background info on the mostly corrupt business GM "food":
Was it a bribe, Monsanto?
Monsanto said the SEC probe involves customer-incentive programs relating to glyphosate products, the generic name for Roundup, in fiscal years 2009 and 2010. The company planned to spend as much as $150 million “of incremental price concessions or trade incentives” in the Roundup business to establish the brand in Latin America, North America and Europe, Carl M. Casale, Monsanto’s former chief financial officer, said in a February 2010 conference call.
http://www.panna.org/blog/was-it-bribe-monsanto | |
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