| | The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNPPage 1 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | During the August riots which terrorised Britain one party was cheering on the thugs who looted and burned shops, beat up and robbed passersby and pelted police with petrol bombs and rocks for hours. See this disgusting article in their paper:
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=25739 | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 4:52:28 AM | Its a matter of perspective I guess
Although technically they were "riots" they were also I believe a sign of the general frustration and feeling of being ignored by our government that many people feel including ones who didnt riot
We tend to be FAR too lazy, laid back and put up with far too much that we arent happy about in Britain and that is increasing with time and an increasing number of people are watching how public opinion is frequently ignored by the government and are begining to think/feel that violent action, even a total revolution is pretty much the only way the current state of affairs could ever change
So although not directly condoning the link, or even the riots I think its narrowminded, blinkered and quite naive to believe the media spin the government put on the rioting that it was ONLY about stealing and had nothing at all to do with anything else whatsoever
People are getting sick and tired at all social levels of being or seeming like UK citizens are the least important items on the governments list of priorities and that feeling tends to look for ANY reason to be vented which is why so many people took part in the riots I believe | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 5:03:55 AM |
During the August riots which terrorised Britain one party was cheering on the thugs who looted and burned shops, beat up and robbed passersby and pelted police with petrol bombs and rocks for hours.
No they weren't, I saw not one comment from the part in support of what they were doing but what I did read was an opportunity for those of that community and those that took part to have a voice and put their point of view across.
Soem of the points raised I would defy anyone to agree with but that doesn't excuse the actions of those that took part in the riots and the looters. The main culprits of the riots have been dealt with, is it now not time to look at the roots casues and what made so many people take to the streets?
See this disgusting article in their paper:
I read it and saw nothing disgusting at all in it, please explain to me what part was disgusting and what the socialist worker has done wrong in this article? | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 5:27:27 AM | OP, if you REALLY want to get a decent and fair grounding on this topic I think this link
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=25747
Says far more about how our society is, and why so many people WOULD be that aggrieved that they would join in rioting in the first place
Some of the jail sentences handed out for stealing as little as £60 worth of basic everyday things like nappies, food, milk and the like rather than luxury goods got longer sentences that MP's who defrauded the tax payers out of hundreds of thousands of pounds via the expenses scandal, of which only around half a dozen even got jailed anyway whilst hundreds of others didnt get any form of penalty or punishment | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 5:30:01 AM | I've read the article, and it is just a peice of really poor journalism aimed at a specific agenda set by the party whoose paper it is.
They seem to think that theses theives took to the streets and started robbing and mugging because theie voices were not being heard, oh please, do me a favour. It's a fact that most of these theives already had criminal conviction for similar offences prior to this.
This country is just reaping what it has sowed for crminalising parents who discipline their kids, and handing ovr money to any tom dick or harry that wants it.
Most of these theives have no idea who Mark duggan was, or even what happened, it was just an excuse to go and steal. Keep locking them up.
You not going to get a decent and fair grounded argument from the socialistworker, lets face it. | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 5:30:50 AM | I have also read the article in the link and see nothing disgusting in it.
What I see is a different perspective. Mainstream opinion and media howled their contempt and hatred: none of them asked why the riots were happening, except to come up with the explanation that it was all a lot of mindless chavs who weren't disciplined enough in childhood. But if you rear two, three generations in a world where you are nothing without prospects, property, pensions, and give them no way to achieve any of these things, while simultaneously chucking away billions on quasi imperialist wars and unchecked financial daredevilry (and who knows how many untold millions in the pockets of thieving MPs, the vast majority of whom have paid no penalty for their looting), this is the kind of stuff that is going to happen. And there will be more of it. | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 7:22:03 AM | | Now when i were a lad, we knew how to have a good riot, toxteth 1981....... now that was a riot. you youngun's and your video games and mini riots don't know your born half the time. Stop complaining and comb your hair............. AND GET ORFF MY LAWN!!!!! | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 8:57:36 AM | Actually, just to add a bit of fact to this thread the riots DIDNT infact start because of the shooting
First there was a peaceful demonstration which riot police broke up using excessive force the most noteable example of which being about 10 officers baton whipping a 16 year old girl to the floor who was on her own away from the rest of the protestors and it was after that when the violence started
So had the police not overreacted in the first place absolutely NOBODY knows for a fact that any rioting would have occurred
But the part of the details about the young girl being clubbed miraculously vanished from news reports after the first day | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 10:58:30 AM | All this crap about kids rioting because they aren't being listened to is precisely that - Crap.
Kids have more of a voice than they have ever had, there are more things for kids to do that ever before.
Im sorry but it really pees me off when people make excuses for the behaviour of the vast majority of these little effers. Most of them were kids under the age of 18 and the vast majority of people who have been convicted have got previous!
Come on, when we were kids (for those of us over about 35 years old), we had nothing to do. There were youth clubs dotted around here and there and that was it. But what we did have is discipline and fear of the police and authorities AND our parents. If we did something wrong then someone would have told our parents and we would have got in trouble.
One revolting girl said something along the lines of, on camera and not in a vastly exaggerated press article, that they did it because they could NOT because she felt they didnt have a voice.
We had nothing as kids, everything we had was second hand. But we didnt beat people up, we didnt steal from shops. We were taught you had to work to get things in this life. We were bought up getting the odd good hiding once in a blue moon and had to be home by a certain time and our parents had to know where we were going and so on.
Its a crap excuse saying these kids who did this have no voice. They have more rights than we all had and they are turning out to be right little scrotes! | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 11:57:36 AM |
First there was a peaceful demonstration which riot police broke up using excessive force the most noteable example of which being about 10 officers baton whipping a 16 year old girl to the floor who was on her own away from the rest of the protestors and it was after that when the violence started That 16 year old girl was only arrested after throwing a bottle at the police. Also the people from that demonstration had long since dispersed when the rioting starting which was started by other youths who had not been on the demonstration.
It is not just Socialist Worker but all of the looney left who have been acting as apologist for the rioters. They can't explain why many of the rioters were from well off families or were not unemployed. Also riots have been happening at football matches for decades but no one tries to excuse or justify the behaviour of football hooligans. | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 5:53:38 PM | The riots were blown completely out of proportion by the media. If they hadnt been broadcasted like that over the entire world, they wouldnt even have spread out of London.
Any excuse for the government to put more controls in to try and keep the population under their thumbs, its makes me sick. | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/26/2011 6:12:39 PM |
go read the BNP manifesto now that is evil.
I read some of that and some was rather funny and some points were spot on , like the statements below
Zero tolerance for all crime: we shall ensure it is the criminals
who live in fear, not their victims.
• Put local pensioners before immigrants and asylum seekers.
• Zero tolerance for paedophiles in the community.
This one made me laugh
Abolish translation services for all non-indigenous languages. If immigrants
do not respect us enough to speak English, why should they receive a penny
of our taxes? | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/27/2011 1:11:50 AM | Actually, if you get arrested in a lot of countries around the world and still some in europe too I think YOU have to pay for the translator
The BNP is actually an interesting topic
The thing is there are racists in ALL parties, but the BNP like it or not is a nationalist party
Like it or not they BNP are a legitimate and legal english political party, and yet you WONT be allowed to be a teacher or policeman if its found out that you are a supporter of that party which was introduced by labour and is an action indicative of a dictatorship, communist countries and was also rife in Germany pre war and certainly ISNT indicative of any true form of democratic system
And labour who constantly called anything the BNP suggested as "racist" actually introduced many BNP policies without barely changing them at all, the points system and citizenship schemes were both first mentioned by the BNP and the tories are also talking about introducing other BNP suggested schemes too
Many of the BNP claims about immigration negatively influencing jobs, wages and british culture have also been echoed by both the tories and labour whilst being claimed as their own "discoveries" too
And lets not forget that despite what the guardian might claim, stopping immigration isnt in the slightest bit "racist" as it would apply to all races equally
Its actually at least as good a claim that many of labours policies especially ones to do with immigration, positive discrimination and even some of their housing schemes for asylum seekers are "racist" by the same token but against existing UK citizens who are at the end of the day the people who pay their wages and should also be their PRIMARY concern
And lets not forget Baroness Warsi, and outspoken racists if ever there was one, and Baroness Flathers comments in the house of lords recently about Pakistani and Bangladeshi families (shes indian, so no surprise there eh) were nothing short of racist, but would only have been called that if someone white had said them (which is in itself "racism") as the words being said is all that should be important and their acuracy, not the colour of the person saying them | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/27/2011 1:28:33 AM | | After reading the BNP manifesto 2011 ,,i actually think they are right on alot of things , alot of things they point out is so true ,maybe i might vote for them next time around ,,When it comes to the government , in my opinion where living in a racist/prejudice society anyway as everything always seems to be for the immigrants and against the british people , and the do gooders on pof will class my remark as racist as people are not allowed to state their opinions when it comes to immigrants .But i dont care as we are allowed to have opinions on everything else in the UK but not the immigrants . | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/27/2011 2:03:51 AM | Since when are people on here not allowed to express an opinion on immigrants?
Or are you implying that it's "not allowed" because some people, will argue against opinions that you might have?
and if that is the reason, then that's a fvcking stupid one!
As long as people stick to the rules of the forums, then absolutely anything should be able to be discussed/stated. Just because some people disagree with it, doesn't mean that it's "not allowed".
That's just ridiculous  | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/27/2011 2:09:07 AM | Since when are people on here not allowed to express an opinion on immigrants?
Or are you implying that it's "not allowed" because some people, will argue against opinions that you might have?
No not because some people will argue about the opinions i might have ,, because some may see it as racist and i have noticed on here alot see you as racist when you even mention the word immigrants on posts ,,, also in society some say people are racist when immigrants are mentioned , so people hush hush about opnions on that subject ..And i mean in society we are not allowed not meaning in the forums lol | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/27/2011 2:16:32 AM | @msg 19
So how exactly does any of that mean that it's not allowed to voice criticisms of immigration?
Not only would I not automatically think someone is racist just because they're opposed to certain/all aspets of immigration .... I wouldn't even care if they were.
I'm not a fan of racism - then again, who is? (even racists don't like it, if they're on the receiving end of it) - but if someone has what I deem to be racist views, I wouldn't expect them to keep quiet about it, just because other people don't like it
If people have got something to say then say it.
If they're so worried about how they might appear to other people, that they won't express their true opinions, then how is that anyone else's fault?
They just need to choose what's more important - expressing an opinion or maintaining a certain image.
It has nothing to do, with not being allowed to talk about/criticise some subjects! | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/27/2011 2:16:57 AM | You ARE allowed to have opinions on immigrants silly
But youre just supposed to choose them from the government approved list of acceptable opinions on immigrants as printed in the guardian for your consumption
I think it was elaenor roosevelt who said "I might fight everyday in opposition to your views but I would fight every day to defend your right to express them" or something like that
That is IMO the definition of freedom of speech in a democratic system, what we have is quite subtley and deliberately manipulative and is far closer to a facist system where legal, legitimate and often the most acurate and factual opinions are often demonised via the press as being sexist, racist, homophobic, anti semetic, anti islamic etc etc
Any country that would stand by and let someone lose their job because of supporting a legal political party, even if they personally despise that party doesnt deserve to live in a democracy
As for the other parties, the tories sold off our utility companies to foriegn businesses which is the reason we have such high prices now. And labour more recently not only sat by and let rover go into administration rather than keeping them afloat for six months till the Tata deal came into effect which would have secured their survivial for at least 10 years, but were actually in india talking to Tatas owners arranging the post liquidation sale of rovers assets whilst rover was flailing at the same time the bailed the banks out for billions
So I really dont see how the other parties are any less "evil" than the BNP really, infact from a working class perspective I think theyre far more evil in many areas | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/27/2011 2:59:18 AM | There was only one riot that I was aware of, and that was the one after the demonstration following the shooting of Mark Duggan. Everything else that happened was just theft, burglary, and mugging by groups of youths who already had a long list of criminal convictions.
Funny how a discussion about the disturbances always turns into a discussion about racism. | |
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Posted: 9/27/2011 3:27:30 AM | http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-15315781-bnp-leader-arrested-in-race-probe.do
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4416523.stm
Just two of the many, this is not a anti rascism rant, merely trying to point out that however bad the current labour party leaders are they have never been arrested for inciting racial hatred.
And here was me thinking we were discussing the most evil party in Britain. | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/27/2011 3:36:59 AM |
merely trying to point out that however bad the current labour party leaders are they have never been arrested for inciting racial hatred.
and theres me remembering a one eyed, scottish idiot, shouting british jobs for british workers  i mean if it was someone from a extreme party shouting this i dare say the old bill would of been asking questions at an early morning wake up call, could it be a case of one rule for one  | |
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| The most evil political party in Britain and its not the BNP
Posted: 9/27/2011 3:49:38 AM | Just two of the many, this is not a anti rascism rant, merely trying to point out that however bad the current labour party leaders are they have never been arrested for inciting racial hatred.
Really ? wasnt Mr Phil Woolas and Mr Joe Fitzpatrick. Arrested and punished for inciting racial and religious hatred ....Wasnt one of them the immigration minister and part of labours party ? | |
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