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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/22/2005 11:46:48 AM | Have you ever met anyone who seems to be without a conscience ?
A man or woman who is smart, ruthless and very cruel and feels no guilt about anything. Someone who goes out of their way to do some very bad things. They can bully you, steal from you, hurt your self-esteem, ruin your relationships, isolate you from those you care about, manipulate people and/or situations to their advantage and are completely guilt-free about it.
Those people are called Sociopaths. They are everywhere. Men and women, blacks, whites, Asians, Latinos, and biracials of all kind. They are straight, gay, bisexual, lesbian or transsexual. They are doctors, lawyers, cops, firefighters, athletes, teachers, reporters, fathers, mothers, daughters, sons, cousins, nephews, nieces, uncles, aunts, grandfathers, grandmothers. They are your friends and neighbors. These people are dangerous. Most of them operate secretly and get away with a lot of the things they do. Often, they seem to appear to be above suspicion. Most of them don't have a "recorded" violent past but they are capable of violence, manipulation and betrayal.
What makes them different from your ordinary bad guy or bad girl ?
These people are sociopaths. They don't have a conscience. They were born without one. They can't feel guilt about their actions. They cannot care about others. They lack something essential which makes a person whole --- a conscience.
Ever met anyone like that ? | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/22/2005 11:50:49 AM | My last 2 ex's turned out to be that..lol. My bad judgement. Should have listened to my female friends and saved myself the heartache but I'm just a dumb guy hehe | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/22/2005 11:54:27 AM | | yes, my daughter. | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/22/2005 11:56:49 AM | | i have met MANY people like that...but I live in Califreakin'fornia, the land of fruits and nuts where even the weather is queer | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/22/2005 11:58:00 AM | | My bf Thomas has a sister who is just psycho. He told me that she once tried to stick a knife in him. He wrestled it away from her. He said that when he told the rest of his family, they didn't believe him. How scary is that ? | |
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w82b
| Joined: 5/9/2005 Msg: 6 | |
| Sociopaths Posted: 7/22/2005 12:04:54 PM | 2 sisters. Mother. Ex wife. Brother in law. (And people wonder why I have trust issues.) | |
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longte
| Joined: 10/18/2004 Msg: 7 | |
| Sociopaths Posted: 7/22/2005 4:31:49 PM | The one VERY dangerous thing about this type of thread is simple
If you answer this honestly, and then the Sociopath/psychopath/maniac etc joins POF[ which is possible] He or she may read your comments
Comments about them are one thing they do not enjoy
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/22/2005 4:37:35 PM | | In that case. I absolutely LOVE psychopaths. I find them utterly delightful!! *Backs away slowly* | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/22/2005 10:07:17 PM | I think you may be confuseing the garden variety psychopath, with the much more rare sociopath. I ma a little sketchy on the details of the two, but sociopaths are not everywhere. they are kind of special.
Two of my three personalities think you are mixing these things up, the other agrees with you. | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/22/2005 10:31:34 PM | | yes I have LaurenBee.... | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/23/2005 7:07:46 AM | | sorry, um, what ? | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/24/2005 4:06:16 AM | | there is no medically (psychologically) definitive way to diagnose a sociopath. hence there are no real sociopaths to date. it's a psychologists' fancyful term for describing people whom they cannot put under the known set of behaviours. | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/24/2005 7:18:54 AM | | i've met many people who are completely devoid of a conscience...whether or not that warrants the label "sociopath" is something that i'm no expert on, but it's reason enough to avoid them at all costs... | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/25/2005 2:30:41 PM | | Any man or woman without a conscience fits the very definition of sociopath. | |
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xander
| Joined: 7/17/2005 Msg: 15 | |
| Sociopaths Posted: 7/25/2005 2:43:16 PM | Little more to it than that:
Antisocial personality disorder (APD) is a personality disorder which is often characterised by antisocial and impulsive behaviour. APD is generally (if controversially) considered to be the same as, or similar to, the disorder that was previously known as psychopathic or sociopathic personality disorder. Approximately 3% of men and 1% of women have some form of antisocial personality disorder (source: DSM-IV).
Although criminal activity is not a necessary requirement for the diagnosis, these individuals often encounter legal difficulties due to their disregard for societal standards and the rights of others. Therefore, many of these individuals can be found in prisons. However, it should be noted that criminal activity does not automatically warrant a diagnosis of APD, nor does a diagnosis of APD imply that a person is a criminal. It is hypothesized that many high achievers exhibit APD characteristics. This, however, brings much criticism upon the diagnostic criteria specified for those exhibiting Antisocial Personality Disorder and the PCL-R. Both of these tests depend upon the person in question being a criminal or having participated in criminal activities.
Research has shown that individuals with APD are indifferent to the possibility of physical pain or many punishments, and show no indications that they experience fear when so threatened; this may explain their apparent disregard for the consequences of their actions, and their lack of empathy when others are suffering.
The recent, controversial science of sociobiology attempts to explain animal and human behavior and social structures, largely in terms of evolutionarily stable strategies. For example, in one well-known 1995 paper by Linda Mealey, chronic antisocial/criminal behavior is explained as a combination of two such strategies. Contents
Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV-TR)
The DSM-IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders (see also: DSM cautionary statement), defines anti-social personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest 2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure 3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead 4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults 5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others 6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations 7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
The manual lists the following additional necessary criteria:
* The individual is at least age 18 years. * There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years. * The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.
Criticism of the DSM-IV criteria
The DSM-IV confound: some argue that an important distinction has been lost by including both sociopathy and psychopathy together under APD. As Hare et al write in their abstract, "The Axis II Work Group of the Task Force on DSM-IV has expressed concern that antisocial personality disorder (APD) criteria are too long and cumbersome and that they focus on antisocial behaviors rather than personality traits central to traditional conceptions", concluding, "... conceptual and empirical arguments exist for evaluating alternative approaches to the assessment of psychopathy .… our hope is that the information presented here will stimulate further research on the comparative validity of diagnostic criteria for psychopathy; although too late to influence DSM-IV". http://www.psych.utoronto.ca/~peterson/psy430s2001/Hare%20RD%20Psychopathy%20JAP%201991.pdf
Diagnostic criteria (ICD-10)
Dissocial Personality Disorder (F60.2), usually coming to attention because of a gross disparity between behaviour and the prevailing social norms, and characterized by:
* callous unconcern for the feelings of others; * gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules and obligations; * incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them; * very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence; * incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment; * marked proneness to blame others, or to offer plausible rationalizations, for the behaviour that has brought the patient into conflict with society.
There may also be persistent irritability as an associated feature. Conduct disorder during childhood and adolescence, though not invariably present, may further support the diagnosis.
Diagnostic criteria (PCL-R test)
In contemporary research and clinical practice, APD is most commonly assessed with the Hare Psychopathy Checklist- Revised (PCL-R), which is a clinical rating scale with 20 items. Each of the items in the PCL-R is scored on a three-point scale according to specific criteria through file information and a semi-structured interview. The items are as follows:
Factor 1: Aggressive narcissism
* Glibness/superficial charm * Grandiose sense of self-worth * Pathological lying * Conning/manipulative * Lack of remorse or guilt * Shallow affect * Callous/lack of empathy * Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Factor 2: Socially deviant lifestyle
* Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom * Parasitic lifestyle * Poor behavioral controls * Early behavioral problems * Lack of realistic, long-term goals * Impulsivity * Irresponsibility * Juvenile delinquency * Revocation of conditional release
Traits not correlated with either factor
* Promiscuous sexual behavior * Many short-term marital relationships * Criminal versatility
Score 0 if the trait is absent, 1 if it is possibly or partially present and 2 if it is present. The item scores are summed to yield a total score ranging from 0 to 40 which is then considered to reflect the degree to which they resemble the prototypical psychopath. A score higher than 30 supports a diagnosis of psychopathy. Forensic studies of prison populations have reported average scores of around 22 on PCL-R; control "normal" populations show an average score of around 5.
A note of caution: the test must be administered by a trained mental health practitioner under controlled conditions for it to have any validity.
Portrayal of psychopaths in the media
Psychopaths in popular fiction and movies generally possess a number of standard characteristics which are not necessarily as common amongst real-life psychopaths. The traditional "Hollywood psychopath" is likely to exhibit some or all of the following traits which make them ideal villains.
* High intelligence, and a preference for intellectual stimulation (music, fine art etc.) * A somewhat vain, stylish, almost "cat-like" demeanor * Prestige, or a successful career or position * A calm, calculating and always-in-control attitude
It is this last feature which is probably most at odds with the typical real-life psychopath: an individual with APD is much more likely to be impulsive, disorganised and short-tempered rather than the smooth-talking, self-disciplined character portrayed by Anthony Hopkins or Kiefer Sutherland.
In popular culture, "psychopath" is often used interchangeably with "serial killer" (such as the characters in slasher films) though the terms are not synonymous. It is, however, true that most serial killers are also sociopaths.
Psychopathy's Relationship with Other Mental Disorders
Psychopathy, as measured on the PCL-R, is negatively correlated with all DSM-IV Axis I disorders except substance-abuse disorders. Psychopathy is most strongly correlated with DSM-IV antisocial personality disorder. PCL-R Factor 1 is correlated with narcissistic personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder. PCL-R Factor 2 is particularly strongly correlated to antisocial personality disorder and criminality.
PCL-R Factor 2 is associated with reactive anger, anxiety, increased risk of suicide, criminality, and impulsive violence. PCL-R Factor 1, in contrast, is associated with extraversion and positive affect. Factor 1, the so-called core personality traits of psychopathy, may even be beneficial for the psychopath (in terms of nondeviant social functioning).
A Three-Factor Model of Psychopathy
Cooke and Michie eliminated criteria related to criminal incarceration and juvenile delinquency and statistically analyzed three factors of psychopathy.
Arrogant/Deceitful Interpersonal Style
* Glibness/superficial charm * Egocentricity/Grandiose sense of self-worth * Pathological lying * Conning/Manipulative
Deficient Affective Experience
* Lack of remorse or guilt * Callous/Lack of empathy * Shallow affect * Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Impulsive/Irresponsible Behavioral Style
* Need for stimulation/Proneness to boredom * Parasitic lifestyle * Lack of realistic, long-term goals * Impulsivity * Irresponsibility
Corporate Psychopathy
The Corporation, a documentary exploring the psyche of the corporation, came to the conclusion that if the corporation can be regarded as a person, rather than a legal entity, as it is under United States law, its personality would meet all of the DSM-IV requirements for being a psychopath (such as conning others for profit and recklessness). This layman's source: wikipedia. "DSM-IV" stands for Diagnostic & Statistical Manual, 4th Edition | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/25/2005 2:44:44 PM | | That's like a library of info, dude. thanks. | |
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xander
| Joined: 7/17/2005 Msg: 17 | |
| Sociopaths Posted: 7/25/2005 2:49:56 PM | No point in working on lack of information.
Hollywood likes to oversimplify things (i.e. "lack of conscience") | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/25/2005 2:57:06 PM | | wow very good information, I do have a question thou...do sociopaths, as children or adults, is it true they can participate in animal abuse? I had heard that and was wondering. I am an ECE, and I am aware of one situation that has a red flag up...the no consciousness, no remorse, etc. what about animal abuse/torture? | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/25/2005 3:04:35 PM | | Many sociopaths abuse animals....then, they move onto humans....sadly, most sociopaths don't get caught.....the police don't know how to deal with them. They seem to be smarter than the rest of us, too. | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/25/2005 3:14:58 PM | One often hears after a serial killer has been caught after years of killing, the what if's? if this person had help when they were a child...what were the signs...alas, still, nobody knows how to help them even when the signs are there.
Very scary stuff. | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 7/25/2005 4:20:18 PM | *shrugs*
Psychos turn me on.
Sociopaths suck a$$.
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| Sociopaths Posted: 3/19/2006 10:57:47 AM | Actually these people will show their only true love to an animal, if it is their own pet.
They will still show their mean side to the animal, and they will still abuse them, but you can see that they are capable of really love, because it will show only as you watch them with the animal. They don't even know that this feeling for the animal is love.
When they are in a relationship and they have a pet, the other person will actually be jealous of the animal, because they can't understand why this peson won't show them this kind of love.
They can not and will not show this kind of love to a person, any person, ever.
An animal can't in anyway touch their feelings, or irratate them, by making them have to think about something. That is what they think they are protecting. HOW THEY FEEL, HOW THEY THINK. With, and around other human beings. | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 3/19/2006 11:03:12 AM | I'm a sociopath and I'm OK, I boil cats alive and stay self absorped all day.
Don't confuse someone that is selfish with a sociopath. There are billions that are selfish, just a few hundred million that would Alfred Packer you given the option. | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 3/19/2006 2:34:17 PM | so double ifn yer a sociopath....does that mean i need ta watch out fer ya when i take a shower an tha scary music starts ta play.....oooohh....i kin hardly wait...
actually theres a crackhead in my neighborhood who steals anything she can get her hands on an i think shes a sociopath....i been tryin ta think of a nice way ta get her outta my misery...any ideas? | |
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| Sociopaths Posted: 3/19/2006 3:03:43 PM | i understtood that it was psychopaths that are rare, having no understanding whats right and wrong..no conscience. Sociopaths tho are everywhere, they do know whats right and wrong but simply dont care, so thats having no consciience, or not heeding it at least. the prisons are full of these kinds of people (sociopaths) they only care about themselves, they manipulate, they are pathological liars, just bad news to be around. some are stupid, hence always being sent to prison, but theres some real smart sociopaths. if you know one stay the hell away from them, they have no morals and empathy. we probably all have met one, they can blend in with the rest of us easily until the sneaky behaviour start interfering with us.
sociopath-tony soprano, or some real mob boss, many politicians (common) psychopath-ed gein (rare) | |
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