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| | Rap Music and White MenPage 1 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | I'm wondering if it is just obvious to me or are there other women out there who notice this cultural prejudice. Follow me on this...
In the male profiles on a lot of dating sites they express their music likes and then always end the sentence with: "Except Rap". Why is this necessary? I don't see them expressing their dislike of Country, bagpipe, accordian, grunge, techno, emo or opera music. I'm sure there are a TON of men who dislike these genre's yet they choose to single out "Rap" music. Why is that? I'm truly curious because it "feels" racist to me.
When I read that in a mans' profile it is a total turnoff. It puts up a huge flag that says: I am intolerant of the music of a generation, I am intolerant of people of color or simply intolerant in general. In addition it leverages the profile writers ability to condemn using a public forum to exhibit their bigotry. Why specifically point out this one genre of music? There are ton's of genre's which exhibit suicide, murder, rape, crime, rage against police etc.
I only have seen caucasian men write this....something to think about guys.
Thoughts? | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 4:19:35 AM | touchy subject, but i'll bite...
devil's advocate: saw a white englishman posted he hated rap and country so there are exceptions...
a lot of people are racist that's just it... it will be expressed covertly at times, just how you see it.
other times people just hate it; hate what it represents, I do...
I think the problem people have with it is rap/hiphop culture represents-criminality, violence, total disrespect of women, guns, drugs, amoralityetc...
TBH, it would be a red flag for me for any grown man to put down rap as a musical preference; white or black! but back to your original point, i think you are right, in some cases.
Sadly, for a lot of people, this cartoon rap image IS to them, what black people are... A stereotype, a cartoon... | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 6:42:35 AM | I think its silly to call someone a racist because they don't like rap/hip hop ,its just a personal preference in music.
Look, I don't like all hip hop either, I like some of it and some of it to me is shit, I don't like Eminem or 50 cent not sure why it isn't 50 cents, and If he brags one more time about surviving being shot 9 times , some one will make sure he wont survive the next time.
Its like Country, some of it I like eg.Shania, and some of it I don't like , I don't like hillbilly /banjo music, doesn't mean I'm racist, Its not a genre of music I prefer. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:15:03 PM | Shania ain't country...
Keith Whitley, Patty Loveless, now that's country... | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:34:06 PM |
Shania ain't country Well If she isn't country , she better give back all those Country music awards, heck Led Zeppelin kind of did a country type of song , but they didn't win any awards.
Just because she didn't sing about Her husband leaving her, taking the dog and the pick up truck, I.R.S taking her house and all she had for breakfast for Possum and Eggs, doesn't mean she isn't country?
Eminem isn't a good rapper, but he falls under rap/hip hop and sells a lot of albums/CD's under hip hop, as much as I don't find his stuff any good, its still hip hop. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:42:44 PM | | People look for racism in everything...I find that more of a "red flag" than the people being labeled racist. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 4:31:59 PM | CMA ain't country, nashville ain't even country anymore..it's all pop...
Robert Plant's Band of Joy is more country than all of what those nashvillians have produced for the last 20 yrs... Buddy Miller, Patty Griffin, Darrell scott played with him real players...
Led Zep did a wide range of styles blues, country, folk, rock everything. the difference they did it with passion and respect for the sources.
Mutt lange produced Shania Twain after his multi-platinum success with Def leppard et al... this is not a guy with a country background or passion/love for country... He is about moving units and was incredibly successful in doing so with her...Slapping on a few harmonized fiddles in the chorus don't make a record country..... it really doesn't
Country My Ass-Dale Watson
(Last verse)
Now don't get me wrong, to each his own I believe.
But they've took the soul out of what means a whole lot to me.
'Cause I can see Hank and Lefty, they're spinning around in their graves.
And if they were here now, I think y'all know what they'd say. (Don't you?)
(What they'd say?)
That's Country, my ass,
Who do they think we am?
Force-feed us that shit.
Ain't you real tired of it?
Tell 'em stick it up high,
Where the sun don't shine.
We're pissed, we're mad 'cause that's country, my ass.
We're pissed, we're mad 'cause that's country, my ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcCfGdKKMIU | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 4:36:02 PM | People look for racism in everything...[quote/]
If you are referring to the OP, I'd say that's quite dismissive/judgemental of her opinion/perception. Maybe that's just how she sees it. She is different to you and is entitled to a different view than you, her life is different from yours. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 6:23:05 PM | i think you're looking for racism.
get your head out of your ass.
unlike opera, bagpipe and accordion, rap is a popular form of music. so is country. so is metal.
i see lots of women that say they don't like country or metal. what ridiculous conclusion can you come up with from that?
rap sucks whether it's kid rock or eminem or snoop.
k.w.
rap sucks | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 8:04:23 PM | Everybody is entitled to appreciate art to their own amusement and opinion, however there are bands whose music represents actual racist propaganda such as Skrewdriver, Brutal Attack, No Remorse, Saga, and Terror Machine; they play shows with and are composed of groups like the BNP/NF, Blood and Honour, Combat-18, KKK, Hammerskin Nation and other less organized White Power organizations like WAR(White-Aryan Resistance).
Their music serves to unify them and their movement; me and my brothers are their enemies within the same forms of underground musical styles such as Oi!, Hardcore, Punk, and Death Metal. Our movement is known by AFA, ARA, SHARP, RASH, Colorblind Skins and other factions. We fight for territory centered around these sorts of concerts. So for me, a hardcore Anti-fascist street soldier with 20 years in, I don't pull the racist "card" on somebody so readily, because in the scene I'm in, it could have the upmost physical consequences in a moment. If we see anybody wearing the shirts by the bands I mentioned here, in South Florida they are getting attacked.
To label somebody a racist because they don't like Rap is equal to the opposite; someone saying they hate Country makes them racist against Whites. Hogwash! . A lot of White girls say this, or something more like, "Rap, Punk, Reggaeton, Pop, anything but Country. Common. No racist indication simply in terms of someone's general preferences of genre.
Sorry for being so long-winded, but I despise arm-chair anti-racists going around stirring things up needlessly that have no basis. Art is not evil, it's the evil within all of us that you see in art.
And for some evil Hip-hop/Rap, check;
Ganksta NIP,
Cage (try Agent Orange)
Jedi Mind Tricks
Necro
Immortal Technique
Geto Boys (Mug Shots lp)
Gravediggaz
then re-bulid your mind with the teachings of BDP and Krs-One.
Best Country; Johnny Cash, Hank Willliams jr., Charlie Daniels, John Anderson, David Allen Coe. And with that last gentleman, we return to the issue of should racist music be allowed in America? It's illegal in Europe, punishable by law to create it or distribute it. Government regulation of music and art, sound familiar? | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 9:00:13 PM | | Charity, what is your point? country music has so many sub sections now , are you upset that Barbara Mandrell , Dolly Parton, Kenny Rogers isnt recording any more? you know they dont have to , they have enough money, awards, music to last a lifetime. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 9:09:20 PM | | While it is just my opinion, I agree with Iceman and a few others who suggest you are digging a little too deep on this one. As someone who loves music in all genres (including rap, opera and country), though not ALL of the music within any one genre, I think it is just musical preference and has little to do with much else for most people (there are always some exceptions). Let's not read racism into everything, because there is far too much around that indicates it is alive and thriving without us helping it along! | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 10:11:51 PM | SERIOUSLY??? Now you can't even express your musical preferences without it being racist??? I do not enjoy rap at all...mainly because I prefer music rather than computer generated noise...but that does NOT mean I am racist. To me, if you need a pitch corrector and a computer generated backing track to perform live, its not music. Give me a group of ppl who can hit the stage with some instruments and make MUSIC with or without electricity. Still, to each his own. Just because my black neighbor hates bluegrass, it doesn't mean he hate white ppl. It just means we have different tastes in music. Sounds like you are the one with the tolerance issues.
Btw, Charity, I'm with you on the country stuff. I hate this modern pop-country crap with a passion. Waylon, Cash, Dottie West, Hank Sr, Patti Loveless...that was country. Led Zep, the Doors, Hendrix, Cream, the Stones....that was rock. Robert Plant's whole Nine lives project was awesome.
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Posted: 11/29/2011 11:07:54 PM | Well said my dear, but what of the issue of playing deliberately White power music in a public place, music that denies the Holocaust and promotes RAHOWA(RAcial HOly WAr)?
Is Johnny Rebel ok? Is Skrewdriver and their songs that I wouldn't be able to list here because I'm sure the mechanism would censor them (and rightly), ok, and racism in art ok? Are David Allen Coe's racist songs ok? I love a lot of his tunes, but others that sensationalism brings up seem lesser than "Long-haired Country Boy", and "Please come to Boston". Seems like most artists, he had a good run with songs like, "The Ride". His best. The stupid, racist songs by otherwise good artists alienates them from most people, but not me. I don't care. A good song is a good song.
Tough question cuz it renders Public Enemy, Ice Cube, Paris, and Dead Prez among others guilty of the same. In Europe you throw a "Roman-style Salute" aka Seig Heil, stiff-arm Nazi salute, or dispute the Holocaust, it is punishable by law. KISS has different record covers in Germany because of this; their logo has Nazi/Norse Rune SS "bolts" in it. That is illegal in Germany. They have a different KISS logo in Germany with circular SS like the one I am using now. Soon Nazis will have computers with those Norse Runes and Swastikas, Triskelons and all. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2011 4:23:03 AM | Back to the OP, I know what you're saying.... I hear ya...
She's not saying EVERYONE who says they don't like rap is racist, people...
there are those who do, (they know who they are and they won't come on here and admit it so everyone will just attack the OP and say she's looking for racism and touchy, it's her problem) nothing new.... | |
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Posted: 11/30/2011 4:29:09 AM |
Charity, what is your point? country music has so many sub sections now , are you upset that Barbara Mandrell , Dolly Parton, Kenny Rogers isnt recording any more? you know they dont have to , they have enough money, awards, music to last a lifetime.
My point is these are all pop artists IMHO...
these are the artists most people name-check when they talk about country and it's a disgrace...
Real country is the most soulful music and I just take it a bit personally when people have these misconceptions. Dessi knows what i'm saying... Don't sweat it...
Patsy, Patty Loveless, Keith Whitely, one of the finest country singers to draw breath is unknown by most people... i know most people don't care but i am a musician and I am passionate about it... Nothing personal... Peace out | |
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Posted: 11/30/2011 7:36:12 AM | | To each their own, I tend to like rock music more than rap, but I like something if it resonates with me and it's good, I don't like country because I just don't like the tone of feel of it, but that's just me, everyone should like what they like regardless of what anyone else thinks. and if you didn't notice, I'm not white. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2011 7:38:59 AM | | I totally agree with Dessi on this one, I prefer a much more organic real sound, even though effects are industry standard I just like the care, attention to detail, and the skill and heart that goes into a live instrument. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2011 9:50:56 AM | Hear, hear!
Here I Am... Patty Loveless, youtube it grown folks music-country to the bone listen & learn, or read 'em and weep.. the tone'll send shivers down your spine..
"Don't do it darlin'..." | |
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Posted: 11/30/2011 8:49:29 PM | Diablo...while I don't care for the kind of stuff you apparently, do, I feel that it falls under freedom of speech, and, therefore, should definitely be "allowed". David Allen Coe's racist stuff was still great music, he still sang it with a great country voice, in great country music fashion, even if I don't agree with the lyrics he wrote. The concept is pretty simple, really. If you don't like the message in the music, don't listen to it...but don't try to say its wrong, just because you don't like it. Someone else obviously does, because the music was made. JMHO.
Charity...you have great taste in music....Keith Whitley was an amazing artist. He and Patty Loveless both had/have amazing, soulful country voices. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2011 10:05:43 PM | I agree. The ADL(Anti-defamation League) would boycott anybody like Sam Goody or Spec's if they sold Skrewdriver or Johnny Rebel. I believe America is supposed to be a free country with free speech. I think they should sell racist along side anti-racist, Fascist and Antifa, whatever. I don't believe in the government controlling information. Both Nazis and Stalinists did that.
And I disagree my dear on DAC. His best tunes are the ones I mention. Latter work is weaker. Most would say Skrewdriver is the opposite, with their first records like "Back with a bang", and "Hail the New Dawn" being their best. I can or could listen to Skrewdriver before and look past the racist lyrics, but at this age I can't. Nazisim and far-right political thought is on the rise globally, not the decline. The EDL(English Defense League), is a direct descendant of the BNP/NF. These are nationalist, racist groups attached to extremist White Power organizations.
Music and art is the breeding ground of political thought in the youth, thus should music be a truly free realm, open to ALL ideas, or should it be how it is now where Black Power music is legal but White Power music is illegal? I'm Latino so I want to study the both of u. Ha... | |
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Posted: 12/1/2011 3:33:18 AM |
In the male profiles on a lot of dating sites they express their music likes and then always end the sentence with: "Except Rap". Why is this necessary?
Actually there's Black people who despise rap too. Basically the older generation does. Personally, depending on the subject matter I can only take it in small doses. If it's "drugs, guns, hoes,sex, clothes, money, clubbing etc"......I will turn the station. I guess I've outgrew it. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2011 4:40:15 AM | I'm sure a degree of it has to do with racial issues, and in various degrees, because there are various degrees of racism.
The other end of it is, some people don't like the monotone "talk-like" vocal styles. I can only handle it in doses, and I'm a music junkie. Sometimes I listen to the instrumental versions or the a capella versions because they are more appealing. The a capella versions often have more singing, back-ups, etc. The beats, to me, are the most amazing part of hip hop, so I love the instrumentals. And it's rare that I like ANY white rap. Beastie Boys hahaha EMINM is kinda funny. Or white reggae. The Police, before Sting went sold-out commercial.
Another consideration is the reputation gangtsta rap has for being violent and racist. While there's a ton of underground hip hop that has nothing to do with the Compton boys, people can't see beyond that. I personally prefer the early stuff, like Public Enemy, NWA, Dre, Ice T etc, but let's face it, with the exception of PE, those Compton boys were out to offend the status quo in any way they could. I'm offended by some it it, but I can look past it. Still D.R.E....
If I had to listen to Rap all the time, it would drive me crazy. I'm a record collector, and I have eclectic tastes ~ and records for sale ; ) ~ I have my fave genres, and lesser faves. I'm not nearly into rap or metal as I am into punk, goth, and indie. The black RnB I love comes from the 50's. Yet I'm not into much blues. Tastes are tastes. I do love the Alicia Keys Falling song. It reminds me of real old school.
Maybe those people like reggae, soul, RnB, oldies, funk, be-bop jazz etc. Maybe they're haters. Maybe they just like country, or whatever, because they're scope is narrow 'cause that's all daddy listened to. Who knows!?! | |
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Posted: 12/2/2011 1:26:40 PM | | i don't see it i know tons of white guys who love rap who want to rap its weird but not racist lots of people don't like a certain type of music i guess some just try to make it a lil more clear that they don't like something | |
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Posted: 12/2/2011 4:08:34 PM | So if a black person says they hate metal is it racist? no, so a white person who hates rap is racist? no.
People need to get over the race thing.... I can't stand gangstas, they annoy the crap out of me. Especially white wanna be's, they look and act straight up retarded and somewhat homo to me. They think and try to act black, apparently, but I RARELY EVER see a black person, act as retarded as white people who think they're imitating them. I'm defiantly not racist, as I think CharityTrue is pretty hot, lol
For the record, I like metal, R&b pop, and some rap. | |
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