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| | Women who show their cleavage....Page 1 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | Is it not a fact that many women post picture's showing various degree's of their cleavage? Yet those same women will complain & whine about men who post picture's with no shirt. Another obivious flaw of women who feel it is their right to choose how they expose themselves will take great exception to men who react to their picture's exposing cleavage by sending them e-mails which are determined to be unacceptable to them. Hmm.....I ask you with all due respect, is there something wrong with that picture?   | |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 10:25:36 PM | I hate to break it to you, but this topic has been done to death. The horse is no longer just dead, it's been pulverized.
First of all, it is our RIGHT to choose how we wish to expose ourselves unless I was mistaken and we now live in Afghanistan. It's also your right to choose how you wish to respond. Just because this is the internet doesn't mean you should forget about social graces. If you wouldn't say it to someone's face, you shouldn't say it online, has always been my motto. So, unless you'd walk up to a girl wearing a low-cut top or a tank top or a bikini in public and tell her what a great "rack" she has, as though she were some sort of prize buck (which seems rather odd), then I think you should practise a little restraint in how you communicate with women.
Also, some shirts women buy are simply lower cut than others and those of us who are well endowed often have problems with not flashing much cleavage wearing them. Guys have a choice on whether they take their top off, sometimes girls don't have much of a choice (beyond wearing a turtleneck) on whether or not some cleavage is showing. Besides, guys not wearing a shirt IS tacky.
P.S. My use of the word "you" throughout my post is not specifically to YOU OP, but you in general. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 11:49:38 PM | | Point's of view.......some could say what's good for the gander is ......Guys have a choice to keep their shirts on.....gals have a choice in the showing of cleavage too. Gals know that guys are attracted to cleavage so they use this as a feature to exploit the obvious.....I guess it's rather obivious that there are point's of argument that are undeniable from both genders.......but let's not be blind to what the truth is. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 12:15:18 AM | There will always be hypocrites, and yes it's easy to lash out and call someone a perv for commenting on their appearance and not take any responsiblity as to their appearance and the message it may send to someone viewing their pic.
The must have a shirt on rule is a standard on POF I think. I'm fine with it.
No rule for how much cleavage one can show if you are a woman...and I've seen some pretty skimmy swimsuits and tops here.... no rule about that. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 12:26:35 AM | Women aren't responsible for how men react when they see cleavage.
Just because it catches a man's attention AND he makes the assumption she is easy DOESN'T GIVE HIM ANY RIGHTS WHATSOEVER, BE THEY LEERING AT HER OR SENDING HER A SUGGESTIVE EMAIL.
I thought the whole 'she asked for it because of how she dressed' mindest was killed off years ago. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 1:43:19 AM | Wait, wait wait. It's not right for men to stare at cleavage? Hmmm, i didnt realize that there is a law against looking at certain things.
Seriously, if you put it on display, dont complain when people stare at it. It doesnt hurt anybody.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 3:04:58 AM | Staring at and making juvenile comments are two entirely different things. If I wear a low cut top to work (and I have), I have no problem with a man enjoying the view. I have a problem with a man making a crude comment. YOU may think what you're going to say is sexy, but I may not. Most likely, it barely makes sense given that all the blood has rushed in the opposite direction of the head on your shoulders and thus it'll do nothing for MY libido.
And yes, you are responsible, and ONLY you, for YOUR behavior. This whole attitude of "well you were asking for it" stinks, quite honestly and only serves to validate poor impulse control. It's kind of akin to why some women are forced to wear burkas, to "protect" them from men, as though men were completely incapable of controlling themselves. I don't believe men are mindless sex maniacs, so don't act like one. All that testosterone must be good for something other than chugging beers and beating on each other in MMA fights. Hrm?
For the record, I love masculine men, but gentlemen in public get my true adoration. I think many girls are like that. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 4:18:54 AM | If women choose to wear low cuts tops, then they should expect that men will stare at their cleavage and also that some men will make inappropriate comments (or send inappropriate messages). See 'poor impulse control' comment above.
My point is that the men don't have the RIGHT to do those things just because of what women are wearing.
(and when I talk about 'leering' or 'staring' I mean over the top, glaringly obvious type of staring, not a glance). | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 5:27:43 AM | The reason you see the women with little attire, and the guys without their shirts,is because it actually works,,,,for some. It peaks some interest from some people and that's is supposedly what the pics here are for. It is good eye candy,,,but really, there are a lot "better" pics to be looking at on the net if ya really want to.
And oh,,,,ANYONE is allowed to look and stare at ANYTHING. I do believe "comments" should be kept silent,,,but looking????? Sorry, if you are showing it,,,I'm looking,,,and I don't care how young or old you are. I wear glasses for a reason,don't ya know!!!! | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 6:40:11 AM | I don't think anyone is complaining if men wear shirts that show a little or even a lot of cleavage, it is the upper body nudity that is the complaint. There is very little total upper body nudity in women's pics that I have seen.
And further, the amount of cleavage shown I would argue does indicate some kind of preference to attract a like minded....but that preference is not necessarily crass, it requires subsequent interaction to determine what it means, it isn't so simple. If you are crude about it, then you will turn off those who do not enjoy crudity, and if you want crude, then that shouldn't be a problem for you if they say they aren't interested. Perhaps women overstate their non-interest, but then with the confidence mindset strategy that men often employ, it is often necessary to overstate disinterest to get the message across.
Many if not most women, if I can generalize, prefer more monagamy than men often do and men should consider this in their interpretation of women's actions. Women don't usually want every man they come across, and often they don't want any men they come across. It's a survival thing. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 11:16:28 AM | | Then it comes as no surprise when many guys react to cleavage the way they do. Let's be honest about this.....sure I see the points made here that guys are responsible for themselves BUT......I have seen some women's pics that are clearly "overthetop".....all I'm saying is that women are also pushing their limits......cleavage shown in good taste and with some class is perfectly acceptable and is welcomed.......if men react to those women like a "bum" then sure the man is out of line........but if the woman is deliberately and obiviously going too far with this then it becomes a "no brainer"......the woman gets what she gets. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 12:16:50 PM | I think it's pretty funny that the conversation on this done to death topic oh so carefully excludes( by both genders) WOMEN looking at cleavage ( no not the male kind! ; P)
If its' gross and slutty I click on whether it's a man or a woman ( I like to check out and learn from the competition, though I don't see them that way, it's a skill from work.) If it's provocative AND demure, I linger.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 1:14:07 PM | Then it comes as no surprise when many guys react to cleavage the way they do. Let's be honest about this.....sure I see the points made here that guys are responsible for themselves BUT......I have seen some women's pics that are clearly "overthetop".....all I'm saying is that women are also pushing their limits......cleavage shown in good taste and with some class is perfectly acceptable and is welcomed.......if men react to those women like a "bum" then sure the man is out of line........but if the woman is deliberately and obiviously going too far with this then it becomes a "no brainer"......the woman gets what she gets.
Yep. That's definitely along the lines of "you're asking to get raped by wearing that skirt/top/boots/whatever." Attitude that, in general, just really stinks of patriarchal "rights" to view women as objects. Seriously, some men need to stop dragging their knuckles. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 1:53:03 PM | | So the question that begs to be asked here is..........Can women do no wrong? Do women have any boundaries in their ways of dressing and behaving? No where in my comments have I remotely suggested that a man who commits rape etc. can use the excuse about the woman's ways or clothing......just trying to keep it REAL & Honest. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 3:48:49 PM | You didn't say it in so many words, but you implied it by saying "but if the woman is deliberately and obiviously going too far with this then it becomes a "no brainer"......the woman gets what she gets." As in "she gets what she deserved."
You're taking all the responsibility off the man to be a mature individual and placing it on the woman. It's no different than what some supporters of the burka/niqab mean when they say women need to be "protected" from men's prying eyes: Men can't be trusted to control themselves.
And that's not true. Men CAN be trusted to control themselves if they CHOOSE to do so. Most choose not to because of some stupid manly, macho bullsh*t and the perpetual view in society of women as sexual objects.
Girl with low cut top = cat calls, wolf whistles, or online, inappropriate comments about how he'd like to do this or that. Unless she's extremely explicit in her profile about wanting sex, a man should be able to control his more primal urges when conversing with someone.
As I said before: SOCIAL GRACES.
Do I think it's appropriate for a girl to be wearing next to nothing on a personals ad? For me, it wouldn't be. But I'm not every girl. If they have the confidence to do that, more power to them.
But to say that she "gets what she gets" because of what she wears is asinine and moronic.
Can women do wrong? Of course.
But seriously, as a mature adult male, you should have the control and wherewithall to know what's socially appropriate in terms of commentary or discussion and what isn't.
Again: Would you walk up to a woman on the street wearing a tank top and tell her how great her breasts look and how you'd just love to do all these things to them?
If you wouldn't say it in person, don't say it online. Simple as that. Show some bloody restraint; you aren't a damn hormonal teenager. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 4:08:01 PM | For the record, if this were reversed, I'd be saying the same thing: that a woman should be mature enough to keep lewd comments to herself and remember her manners. So, it's not just a feminist/women's right thing. It's a human thing.
Bratty, I've always been your hero. It's ok, you can admit it ;) | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 6:44:51 PM | | I would appreciate it if you keep your words in your big mouth,,,,,what I don't say is not to be added to coveniently justified your anti-men views. Your attitude that women have no resposibility in this and it's all up to the men to be perfect citizens is not only moronic it is the equivalent to male chavism.......even though you aren't a teenager anymore yourself your lack of balance in seeing things for what they really are is rather startling......perhaps "maturity 101" was missed at some point. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 7:33:02 PM | I would appreciate it if you keep your words in your big mouth,,,,,what I don't say is not to be added to coveniently justified your anti-men views. Your attitude that women have no resposibility in this and it's all up to the men to be perfect citizens is not only moronic it is the equivalent to male chavism.......even though you aren't a teenager anymore yourself your lack of balance in seeing things for what they really are is rather startling......perhaps "maturity 101" was missed at some point.
How is it a woman's responsibility if a man can't control what he types? I'm not anti-men; I love men actually. All types of men; dominant, demanding, alpha men, to nervous, shy geeks, to bad boys, to Church-goers. I love men. I am not anti-men. I'm anti-rude. It's not I who missed "maturity 101", it's you and the fact you had to break out the age card only validates my point. :) I could have simply said something about the fact that in YOUR generation, it was entirely ok to behave like a horndog, but things have changed and you need to catch up with the times. But I didn't because I try not to look at someone's opinion as based off their age. Apparently, that type of RESPECT isn't returned. It's been noted :)
I believe I did say women have a responsibility, just as much as men do. However, it's a man's responsibility to keep himself composed and not act like a hormonal 15-year-old. If you (general) can't control your urges, that's not MY fault (if I were wearing revealing clothing) - that's yours. And that speaks greater of your maturity level than it does to mine.
I'm not asking men to be perfect, they aren't and neither are women (here, I'll repeat that because I'm sure you're going to accuse me of saying women are perfect: WOMEN ARE NOT PERFECT), I'm asking men to be MATURE which apparently is something that is beyond a few of them (you; specific).
How is it that my views are anti-male when I'm saying more or less the same thing you are, just reversed? Does that mean your views are anti-female?
You are saying a woman deserves the types of e-mails she receives (in this case, immature, crude e-mails) based on what she's wearing. To put how stupid this is in terms you may be able to understand, I'll make it personal: (none of this is actually true, your level of attractiveness went to zero the moment you started playing the age card)
Pretend, if you will, that we have not had this lovely exchange and I am e-mailing you out of the blue with this:
"Oh baby, I love that big, bald skull of yours. I just want to rub it with yummy flavored lotion and lick it alll off..mMmmm such a sexy sexy man!"
Let's also pretend that you were not very receptive to this type of e-mail. Whose fault is it? Mine for consciously typing the e-mail or you for having a shaved head?
By your logic, YOU are at fault because you have the shaved head that (in this scenario) is attracting me and YOU deserve getting crude e-mails like the above because YOU have the shaved head.
You're really ready to believe that? Seriously? Truly?
You're totally believing that it's not MY responsibility to control myself but YOURS to make sure you don't have any thing that could spark my inability to control myself? Really? Really?
Wow.
Talk about passing the buck, here.
"Oh I'm sorry I sent you such a rude e-mail where I talk about rubbing my genitals all over your t*ts, but it's your fault - you were born with t*ts, I can't help it." 
This is just getting ridiculous. Man up, take some responsibility over your actions. Stop blaming someone else for your inability to mind your manners and keep from looking like a bigger boob than the ones on my chest.
Seriously.
This isn't a man issue. This isn't a woman issue. It's a human issue. You're adult, you're old enough to know what's socially acceptable and what isn't. It's your responsibility to maintain those social parameters.
Personally, I love cops. They're hot, they're sexy, but you don't see me walking up to them, running my hands up their chest and going "Ohh baby, I've been such a bad girl, how about you use those handcuffs on me and give me a full body cavity search?"
You know why I don't do that? Apart from the fact that it would likely get be me arrested, it's because I have self-control. By your logic, it wouldn't be my fault if I did that, but the cop's fault for wearing his uniform that turned me on. By your logic, it wouldn't be my fault if I wolf-whistled as he walked past or made some sexually explicit comment about his "night stick." Do you see how silly this is?
It would be entirely my fault for those comments because as an adult, I should know better than to say them.
The same goes for here. You should know better than to send a crude e-mail to a woman because she's wearing a low-cut top or heaven forbid a bikini. God almighty, by what it sounds like, us chicks should all start wearing full skirts and veils when we go to the beach because then we won't cause men like you to lose control and say something inappropriate.
Yep, it's totally our fault that YOU can't control yourself.
And for what it's worth, Kid Wicked is right. I have fantastic cleavage; my breasts look absolutely fabulous and if I want to put a picture of me with ample cleavage, then I will. That's my choice and that's my right. If you choose to exercise your right and choice to be a neanderthal, I'll exercise my right to tell you what I think of your knuckle-dragging mentality. If it were in public, you'd get more than an earful.
Moral of this? Learn to control yourself, and stop passing the buck to someone else and blaming them for your inability to behave like a MAN.
P.S. I choose not to keep my words in my "big mouth" (really appreciate the insult there; you're only digging that hole deeper). Until the powers that be say otherwise, I have the privilege of posting here just as much as you do.
Also, you posted a topic (one that's been beaten to death) on the internet. I'd say I was sorry that you felt everyone would agree with your slanted point of view, but I'd be lying. I believe you said it best: You get what you get. | |
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Posted: 1/21/2012 12:20:58 AM | Your attitude that women have no resposibility in this and it's all up to the men to be perfect citizens is not only moronic it is the equivalent to male chavism.
Xmont, what responsibility do you think women should have exactly? Is it their responsibility to not dress provocatively so that men aren't tempted?
I'm just trying to understand clearly what your point is. | |
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Posted: 1/21/2012 1:35:54 AM | | Good question........does "respect" begin with a woman respecting herself first before she can expect others to do so?.........if she chooses to dress in a provactive manner or as some men might say "slutty"........is she in a position to demand respect from a man who thinks she does not deserve it??? But if she does respect herself and takes care not to dress in a way that could be judged highly questionable and then a man still tries to use a disrecpectful approach is that woman not in a strong positon to tell that man where to go??? Yes it is pretty simple stuff.......good old common sense......Men will be men and they are wrong to treat a woman like a piece of meat........but women must be conscientious and take care of how they present themselves it surely cannot hurt a woman to do so.........if a woman thinks it is not important how she dresses and it is totally the responsibility of the man not to react poorly to her if she does dress in a poor way then do not be surprised that many men will talk with disrepect irregardless that the man should not go there. What is so hard about understanding that? | |
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Posted: 1/21/2012 3:05:53 AM | Puts down the chalk, dusts her hands off, and steps back.. I'm so done with this.
You'll make a killing selling full body coverings to women to make sure they are don't dress in a "highly questionable" way.
Yep, totally all the woman's fault. Men should shoulder no responsibility for their own actions.
Victim mentalities stink, and this just REEKS. | |
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