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 ibakecakes
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A Panorama film tonight will focus on the real problems of Britain's drink problem. Interestingly, it will not focus on the teenage binge drinking that we are all aware of but instead the 'hidden alcoholics', those adults who drink large quantities at home. Figures show that since 1970, wine consumption has increased 5 fold with 85% of wine consumed now being bought in supermarkets and 50% of all beer consumed done in the home also.
So what can be done about this alarming trend? Do you feel that you drink more than you should because it is now cheaper and more acceptable to drink indoors? Do you think that you would drink less if it was done infront of your friends i.e. in a pub or restaurant? Does the smoking ban affect the amount of booze consumed in pubs?
 pauline2012
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Posted: 2/20/2012 3:35:56 AM
I prefer having a glass of wine at home to be honest, pub prices are ridiculous. The issue is that people still think that 1 glass = 1 unit. One 250 ml glass of wine can have over 4 units of alcohol.

From the states I see some people in when I do go to a pub I don't think many people drink less when they are out, the complete opposite.

I don't smoke but the smoking ban has affected a lot of pubs where I am. Drinking large quantities of alcohol doesn't necessarily mean someone is an alcoholic either, it's an outdated term and one I don't care for personally.

There's more to dependency on a substance than how often you consume it, lots of factors make addiction.
 light-star
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Posted: 2/20/2012 3:45:46 AM
This is not a new issue - my first wife left a quite well paid job as an off-licence manageress for the local co-op supermarket, back in the early 70's because she worried about the number of (mainly women) who were buying wine and sherry on a daily basis.

 kirkstmoritz2
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Posted: 2/20/2012 3:52:00 AM

So what can be done about this alarming trend?


I don't see what's alarming about it. Pubs are disappearing so people are drinking at home...simple. It's just alarmist nonsense from namby pambys who wanna inflict their uptight morals on everyone else...fcuk em!



Drinking large quantities of alcohol doesn't necessarily mean someone is an alcoholic either, it's an outdated term and one I don't care for personally.


Well said..... i'll drink to that!
 x_kags_x
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Posted: 2/20/2012 3:55:30 AM
The potential problem with drinking at home is that it becomes a habit. I know lots of people who never used to drink in the house (eg pre kids coming along) then maybe had a few at weekend , then on a weeknight and then suddenly and scarily every night in some cases. I definitely used to drink way too much in the house - a habit not an addiction - but I've stopped it completely now and only drink with pals or on nights out.
Britain's hidden alcoholics?
Posted: 2/20/2012 4:01:10 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/may/26/alcohol-consumption-statistics#data

Alcohol consumption overall has gone down.

The smoking ban along side the main brewing and pub owning companies insisting on keeping their profit margins plus the increase in Excise and VAT has put paid to as many as 1 in four pubs and local orders banning drinking in the streets in controlled areas. Where else are people able to drink to escape these austere times but in their homes (if they haven't repossessed them yet)?
 pauline2012
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Posted: 2/20/2012 4:13:23 AM
But that only applies if you buy the alcohol in the first place surely? I understand what you mean about habit but I totally agree that too many people are being labelled as alcoholic when they are nothing of the sort. The fact is, many wine or spirit bottles aren't labelled with units, some are though. We fool ourselves into thinking 1 glass = 1 unit. Maybe 20 years ago standard wine glasses were 125 or 175. Wine is also getting stronger, it's rare that you see bottles of 8 and 9 per cent, more like 12 and 13.

The reason I am wary of slapping anyone with a label is that I worked with people for a long time who are truly alcohol dependent. Marriages ruined, thousands of pounds of redundancy spent, 6 months off drink and 6 on and when its on its a bottle of spirits a day.

I absolutely agree that there are people who weekend binge drink and that also has the potential for issues. But when you see the effects of long term alcohol abuse on people and then the media then hypes up the fact that if you have a couple of glasses of wine a night you are on the slippery slope to alcohol dependence, I think that's nonsense.

Yes as a nation we probably drink way too much but we have an attitude to alcohol that a lot of European countries don't. I'm sure lots of people have gone through phases where they drink too much but it's recognising that and doing something about it.

Id rather be in the house with a glass of wine than be out in a pub where people are necking cheap booze and no, not everyone consumes alcohol like that, but the biggest pub in my area is a Wetherspoon and some people are in there from opening time to shutting time, not always young people either.

Real alcohol dependence is awful, if you can take or leave alcohol and recognise when you are drinking too much and do something about it, you don't have a lot to worry about.
 SwanSpirit
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Posted: 2/20/2012 4:20:56 AM
My aunt always used to say "You're not an alcoholic till you drink your wine in a teacup so the neighbours don't see" ...

Alcoholism has been hidden for years, it's definately something that needs to be looked at but I'm not sure if this program is coming from the right angle.
 badge73
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Posted: 2/20/2012 4:46:48 AM
i just wish they would make up their minds, i mean if a person drinks a few cans in the house after work or what ever then they are an alcoholic .... if the person stops drinking in the house and goes to the pub just once and has more then 5 pints then labeled a binge drinker!!



it so makes me laugh when labels are dished out to every one, the press love it and the general public lap it up to the hearts content .... usually to have a go at someone else.

edit, i find it interesting on why people mention wine as an indicator, either way as to say only wine or the amount of units in wine.

look at this another way, two people are walking down the street one has a bottle of wine and the other has cheap strong cider .... which one is perceived to be the alcoholic?
 Loumooos
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Posted: 2/20/2012 4:52:14 AM
What utter useless garbage Panorama are showing these days. Its not like we are not aware of this, i had a friend who was a true alcoholic at home and out.

If your drinking harder things than wine and so on at home daily..then worry.

Also Americans are so bloody high and mighty with their morals. Anyone who has a drink is guilty of being trash..Annoying people over there..
 China G
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Posted: 2/20/2012 4:58:16 AM
Good topic!

I don't think cost or the smoking ban in pubs has had a lot of effect on the 'habit' of many people who drink at home. On a personal note, I always used to crack a tin as some as I got in from work; habit or addition?
Since I've changed my lifestyle, especially after spending time in a country where alcohol is considered essential to masculinity, booze has become an entity to partake when deemed pleasurable and not a neccessity. A 600ml bottle of good beer is about 30p in China (4 for £1) so a great excuse to get p!ssed if your that way inclined! Certainly not a nation of alcoholics but they do enjoy socialising outside and rarely indulge in the confines of their own home.

I honestly believe that the word 'alcoholic' is a generalisation of many men and women who lead a lifestyle considered to be stressful and a few beers etc just takes the edge off the pressures of life. Nothing wrong with that .... in moderation.
BTW, what's wrong in drinking wine in a coffee mug?
 pauline2012
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Posted: 2/20/2012 4:59:34 AM
I certainly would drink more out if it were cheaper to be honest. The cheapest large glass of wine in the pub near where I live is £2.85 a glass and that is in Wetherspoons and compared to a lot of other pubs both here and elsewhere in the UK that is fantastic, but you can buy a bottle of white wine in Aldi for £2.99.

Can you really blame people while we are in the midst of a recession who want to have a drink and choose to do so at home?

Also, I live in a medium sized town that has a fair amount of pubs but there's hardly one Id want to set foot in for one reason or another. The Wetherspoon is the best of a bad lot and yes it sells cheap drink, but it's mobbed as you might imagine a lot of the time, it's also freezing, for a company who are minted they certainly know how to keep their pubs cold.

In an ideal world we would all be able to stop off at ye olde lovely pub with a roaring coal fire to sit and have a meal and a few drinks with friends of an evening but when you live in hicksville that's not an option.

I don't drink at home because I'm a secret drinker with an alcohol issue, I do it because I'm broke and there are hardly any decent places in this town to drink in. But that isn't what programmes like Panorama want to hear.
 BobHaro
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Posted: 2/20/2012 5:03:20 AM
The only alarming trend going round nowadays is for the government and so-called experts to keep telling us that EVERYTHING we do is wrong and we are all going to die because of it.

We are all going to die anyway, so all the experts and the government can kiss my ass.


In a nutshell, alcohol becomes a problem when you find you cant say no, to a drink.

If I want a drink, it's because I like that drink and I am watching telly and life is good. At least I am not down the pub, completely smashed and trying to take on the world in a fight.



Bob.
 SGB2012
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Posted: 2/20/2012 5:04:34 AM
Why should we care? I don't have a drinking problem, why should my access to alcohol be limited because someone else has chosen to develop a problem? All such moralistic price hikes, restrictions and sin taxes impinge personal freedom and the economy.
 Strider886
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Posted: 2/20/2012 5:17:15 AM
Does the smoking ban affect the amount of booze consumed in pubs?


Of course it does, people have realised that drinking at home is cheaper and they can have a fag with that drink, without breaking the law.

The effect has been a reduction in the number of "rough" people who go out drinking and starting fights, they'd rather sit at home with the 4 pack of special brew and the pack of fags that we all buy for them.... But it's also heavily impacted bars/pubs, to the point where now they have to turn into restaurants or go out of business.



However this topic is really referring to this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_9696000/9696398.stm

Which is a different kettle of frogs altogether.......
 midsbloke
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Posted: 2/20/2012 5:43:23 AM
Why do people say that they are social drinkers when all they do is drink on their own in the house, it seems thats what most people tend to do. If your drinking at home on your own on a regular basis there is something wrong with that in my book.
 pauline2012
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Posted: 2/20/2012 5:49:57 AM

Why do people say that they are social drinkers when all they do is drink on their own in the house, it seems thats what most people tend to do. If your drinking at home on your own on a regular basis there is something wrong with that in my book.


How do you know that's what most people tend to do? I do go out, I just don't have the cash to spend £20 in the pub of an evening. Would it make a difference if I had twenty of my mates round and install a fruit machine in my living room?

I've just made a choice not to pay pub prices because I can't afford it. Last night my mum was at mine, I cooked her a meal and we had a glass of wine. We could have gone a mile up the road, done the same thing in a pub/restaurant and spent £20 rather than about £5.

Ive better things to do than spend what little disposable income I have spending it in the pub. It makes no difference as to whether I am sociable or not, the activities I do are ones where drink isn't an option.
 x_kags_x
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Posted: 2/20/2012 5:52:50 AM

The only alarming trend going round nowadays is for the government and so-called experts to keep telling us that EVERYTHING we do is wrong and we are all going to die because of it


How right you are. I get mighty sick of turning the tv on in the morning and hearing about what I am doing wrong today. Daybreak/ GMTV are buggers for it! I'm giving it all up; the TV that is.
 midsbloke
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Posted: 2/20/2012 5:56:25 AM
Pauline>>>Most people you know will have a drink at home on their own, I apologise for saying that your are one, when you clearly never drink in the house on your own. But justifying your drinking habits to a complete stranger along with all the comments on the topic could mean that you have an issue with drink, not saying you have of course.
 kirkstmoritz2
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Posted: 2/20/2012 6:02:04 AM

I get mighty sick of turning the tv on in the morning and hearing about what I am doing wrong today. Daybreak/ GMTV are buggers for it! I'm giving it all up; the TV that is.


All designed to raise your hackles and keep you tuned in......through all the ad breaks specifically, ironically ad breaks for booze, credit cards and loads of consumer crapola.

The best thing to do when a subject comes up that makes you roll your eyes is just turn it off, they'll soon get the hint that moralising is bad for revenue.
 pauline2012
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Posted: 2/20/2012 6:14:38 AM

Most people you know will have a drink at home on their own, I apologise for saying that your are one, when you clearly never drink in the house on your own. But justifying your drinking habits to a complete stranger along with all the comments on the topic could mean that you have an issue with drink, not saying you have of course.


I'm not justifying my drinking habits to a complete stranger. I responded to your comment. I'm actually a qualified drug and alcohol worker and I worked with addicts, both alcohol and drugs for almost 20 years. There are some people who work in that line of work who are recovering addicts, I'm not. But as I said earlier on in the thread, Ive worked with people whose lives have been destroyed and totally destroyed by drink. Someone sitting in the house with a glass of wine of an evening isn't an automatic slippery slope to alcohol dependency, particularly when it seems to be acceptable to get pissed up in the pub. I'm just not sure what the difference is. Having a drink on your own isn't ok, getting tanked up in the pub is ok? As long as people keep an eye on their alcohol intake and have a couple of alcohol free days a week they aren't going to suffer any adverse affects. Whether that be at home or in the pub. Maybe its just a stereotype of people sitting drowning their sorrows at home as they are lonely with no mates, rather than being in the pub sitting with all their pals downing shots of absinthe, who knows?


Im now a gym instructor and most of my social life revolves around fitness. My point was that financial reasons keep me out of the pub, not that I'd be propping up the bar every night even if I had the money. Some people might spend £100 on alcohol in the space of a weekend, I don't spend that in a month. Or two.

I found your previous comment

Why do people say that they are social drinkers when all they do is drink on their own in the house, it seems thats what most people tend to do. If your drinking at home on your own on a regular basis there is something wrong with that in my book.

Rather judgemental and more than a bit inaccurate, that was all.

But it's ok, because this one topped it

But justifying your drinking habits to a complete stranger along with all the comments on the topic could mean that you have an issue with drink, not saying you have of course.


Thanks a lot, I feel so much more reassured now

Cheers

 indigovelvet
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Posted: 2/20/2012 6:26:47 AM
Britain's hidden alcoholics? Is that a joke? You've only got to get on a plane and go to places like Ibiza and they're out there in full strength... and there was enough of them throwing up around Covent Garden the other night too.

I for one like a tipple indoors but I don't have an addictive personality and I am measured about how much I drink.... most of the time. I reckon as a nation we are getting hooked on all sorts of substances in order to make life more bearable in what some people see as a difficult climate. A good cure might be to send them off to some of the worst hit famine areas in the world and then they might come back and count their blessings... although I wouldn't put money on it.
 midsbloke
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Posted: 2/20/2012 6:30:53 AM
Pauline

You do come across as having an issue with drink, to rant on about it like you do makes it failrly obvious.
 OneOnOwn
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Posted: 2/20/2012 6:33:57 AM
The real extent of drinking is vast. Look at ladies profiles. ''Watch a DVD with a glass of wine.'' So wonder what they would say if I put on mine ''Watch a DVD with a 6 pack of carlsberg'' !!
Before anyone critisises me and my comments read the following.
I dated a lovely lady. We became great friends. She never drank when she was with me.
One Sunday morning she called drunk out of her skull at 10 in the morning. I told her to pour whatever down the sink and go to bed.
I turned up at 9 in the evening. Still out of her mind. I called paramedics.
2 weeks later she was found dead surrounded by bottles by her kids. 54 years old.
I found out that she was a raving alcoholic and they are excellent at hiding it.
That really really floored me for a long time.

I date women who have a bottle of wine before I turn up, a bottle when we are out and when we get back open the 4 pint carton.
Lambrusco at £3 a bottle, 2 bottles for a £5 both at our local supermarket. In the morning..ie 10ish there are women with a few groceries, a bottle of wine or even a bottle of spirit. A whole isle of our local supermarket is devoted to booze. If there wasn't a market that would not be an economic use of shop space.

You do see on some profiles ''put this on your profile if you know of someone who died of cancer'' Ive never read a similar one ''died from drinking'' .
 x_kags_x
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Posted: 2/20/2012 7:23:05 AM
Lots of men have on their profiles that they like to snuggle up with a dvd and a bottle of wine. How has this thread become one about women who drink too much? Do men not have the same issue or is it ok for a man to buy lager at 10 am?
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