| | Equal rights... does this cover everything?Page 1 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | I was just wondering what your thoughts are on many (women mostly in my experience) screaming out for the same social and employment rights that the male members of the human race seem to be endowed with at birth.
But then expect to be treated in some way different to men and with a certain level of care and appreciation, to be showered with expensive gifts of designer perfume and other luxuries because they were blessed to born with a vagina.
I guess these views stem from the stereotypical (and somewhat, old fashioned) view of women who stay at home and look after the house while the man goes out to work.
But surely, if women want to progress in modern society beyond the scope of this view and 'have it all'. They need to ditch this old fashioned view and take on a new attitude?
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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:22:04 AM | I think it would be better if equal rights just meant treated fairly, rather than treated exactly the same.
In some instances it should mean that, but in others it doesn't make sense for that to be the case.... because the people in question ARE different in some ways.
I don't like the idea of anyone shouting about equal rights, where they are expecting to be treated exactly the same, whilst still wanting to receive special treatment because of what/who they are - I don't blame them for pushing their luck, but they should get slapped down for taking liberties.
I know some people use the arguments "that things were rubbish for us in the past, so it's only fair we get special treatment now"... and quite frankly, that's a load of old b*llocks.
Let's not pretend it is mainly women... Yes some of them do it, as do many other demographics who feel they aren't being treated as their counterparts.
If they are just after fair treatment, then I am all up for that... I just don't think true equality will ever happen - I don't even think it can happen
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I am not sure how you could end the post in that way, considering the manner in which you started it.
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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:28:25 AM | | While I am disappointed at your blanket ignorant and useless way of viewing women, I have to agree that there are women who want to say they are equal, yet want to be princesses at the same time. People like Kim K. come to mind. Also, men have to overcome the idea they are the shit just because they have a penis. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:44:01 AM | While I am disappointed at your blanket ignorant and useless way of viewing women, I have to agree that there are women who want to say they are equal, yet want to be princesses at the same time.
So you agree but just want to kick him in the nuts? Steroetypical and old fashioned isnt enough of an indicator that he could be open to differing views? Or is being a woman all the entitlement you need to scratch first and talk sense later?
"But surely, if women want to progress in modern society beyond the scope of this view and 'have it all'. They need to ditch this old fashioned view and take on a new attitude?"
When you already have it all why would you want to change anything?
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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:49:55 AM | I don't think men and women having different roles necessarily means they're not equal.
I do despise those women that insist on having "equality" in the workplace, but then insist on having doors opened, chairs pulled out and everything paid for...the princesses you talk of OP.
I've always said that women should value their roles in society, as they always have been. After all, I think being a Mother and keeping the house running is an extremely valuable contribution to society. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 12:35:27 PM | I was just wondering what your thoughts are on...women....screaming out for the same......rights that the male members of the human race seem to be endowed with at birth
Well I don't have a problem with equality - do you??
But then expect to be treated in some way different to men and.........showered with expensive gifts of designer perfume and other luxuries...
Well if you encounter people like this then steer clear - I do every single day - it isn't hard. The two issues are completely separate. All decent humans should have equal rights. However someone who demands to be showered with gifts simply for breathing is an idiot - ignore them.
I guess these views stem from the stereotypical (and somewhat, old fashioned) view of women who stay at home and look after the house while the man goes out to work.
Are these old fashioned views yours? If so, how can you then have a problem with those women having old fashioned views as you state:-
They need to ditch this old fashioned view | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 12:39:57 PM |
While I am disappointed at your blanket ignorant and useless way of viewing women, I have to agree that there are women who want to say they are equal, yet want to be princesses at the same time. People like Kim K. come to mind. Also, men have to overcome the idea they are the shit just because they have a penis.
we're going to have fun with you aren't we | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 12:51:56 PM | Women want equality do they? Those women who champion women-only job applications? Women who want male-only organisations to close but want women-only gyms? Women who push their boobs out to get a job, then claim sexual discrimination when they get fired? Women who talk about domestic violence as if only women are victims when the split of victims is actually 50%? Women who want to assault their husband and when the police turn up have *him* arrested?
There is a common thread among any section of society that claims to want equality...they only want equality when it benefits them, it's actually superiority they want. Sick of being on the bottom deck they want a shot at the top deck. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 12:53:43 PM | Well I don't have a problem with equality - do you??
Do I have a problem with women being treated the same as men or visa versa?
Absolutely not.
We are all human beings at the end of the day and should all possess the same rights as others regardless of what we have or may not have hanging between our legs.
I do have a problem with people wanting to be treated differently AND the same as others (if that makes sense). Unless you have a medical condition of coarse but having a penis or vagina doesn't count.
Are these old fashioned views yours?
Nope. Unfortunately these views are the general consensus of most members of our society. Limited of course to those without an open mind and still believe in witch hunts and the boogyman. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 12:55:04 PM | Women want equality do they?
There is a common thread among any section of society that claims to want equality...they only want equality when it benefits them
Exactly, so why is it supposedly wrong to slap them back if they hit you, let them move their own fucking filing cabinets / fridges / cookers / sofas up flights of stairs | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:01:18 PM | I think women should have equal opportunities in the workplace. Best person for the job, no matter if they be man or woman. A persons career shouldn't be limited due to their gender.
As for the other aspects brought up, well part of that is romance and taken to the extremes could be gold digging. Personally I'm happy to be a gentleman and hold a door open etc and I'm also happy to treat someone I love to something that would bring them joy. That may be a pampering session at a spa, or it could just be a chocolate bar from a shop. In a good relationship that would also be reversed with them doing little loving gestures for me.
The princess syndrome is just the female form of the OTT alpha male syndrome. Both sexes have plenty of idiots within their ranks. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:17:47 PM | Vestan__Pance
I think women should have equal opportunities in the workplace. Best person for the job, no matter if they be man or woman. A persons career shouldn't be limited due to their gender.
That's a fine dream, but regarding the workplace there is one issue that women can't avoid having, and that is the children issue. If you hire a man he is there mon-fri each week. If you hire a woman and she falls pregnant you have to hire someone to cover, and also keep her job open while she is off work with the very real chance that she decides to not come back at all. Women with older children are also more likely to take time off for emergency-type issues.
I know I'll probably be told I'm a sexist misogynist for saying these things, but they are simply unavoidable truths no matter how hard you wish they weren't. Men and women will *never* be truly equal in the work place *shrug* | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:23:05 PM | there is a basic level of equality that we are all entitled to, cultural & racial equality comes to mind instantly, but i never liked the term 'gender equality' or 'employment equality' because this assumes EVERYTHING a man can do so can a woman. if you take the feminism and emotion out of it, I dont think a woman can do everything a man can do - we're just different.
So if the question is should men and women be equal then the answer is YES in an ideal world but my counter-question would be, what specifically are we talking about - if for example its a firefighter, im sorry but if my house was on fire, i wouldn't want to see a bunch of women trying to lift 500lb fire hoses and large axes to chop into my home. Men are simply more capable in certain roles than women and so the genders can never be equal where such roles are concerned.
I do believe though there are gender neutral jobs that both men and women can equally accomplish and in these we should definately have fairness and equal pay - for example men and women are equally capable as scientists, professors, mathematicians, doctors, etc... but these tend to deal more with brain power than physical capabilities. are we saying seriosuly that women want to compete with men on physical grounds and physically demanding roles? dont be silly.
so you see gender equality can never be attained across the board, and thats not a bad thing, we should accept it and move on. i dont have to list the things women are good at and men suck at do i...? swings and roundabouts really. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:23:17 PM |
Women with older children are also more likely to take time off for emergency-type issues.
shame the father didnt care the same about their kid in this emergency situation | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:33:00 PM |
shoanadove
shame the father didnt care the same about their kid in this emergency situation
It is a shame...but the rise of the single-parent family is for another thread. However we have to look at the realities rather than the ideal-situations, and these are the realities. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:37:30 PM | @msg 13
In the example you gave, I wouldn't be bothered
I would assume that a female firefighter would have had to pass the same tests a man would.
If they had made it much easier for a woman, just so that there were an acceptable number of female firefighters, then I might be a bit concerned.
I think the best people should be given a job. So if it meant that a company hired all males for whatever role, because they thought all those men were better than a female candidate... Then that's fair in my eyes.
It's not equality to give someone a job, to meet some government quota.
I think - if we're speaking about work - people shouldn't be ruled out just because of their gender (unless it's a gender specific role) or whatever. If they're not up to the standard or don't meet all the requirements, then they don't make it
There will be times when it is unlikely a woman can do certain jobs, but if she was deemed good enough then give her the job and pay her the money she "deserves" | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:44:04 PM |
It is a shame...but the rise of the single-parent family is for another thread. However we have to look at the realities rather than the ideal-situations, and these are the realities.
i'm not aware that the parents not being together anymore should have any baring on an "emergency" situation,i would of thought both parents would of wanted to be dealing with that but hey ho | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:49:54 PM | [QUOTE]but the rise of the single-parent family is for another thread. However we have to look at the realities rather than the ideal-situations, and these are the realities.[/QUOTE]
I've seen plenty of dads take time off to look after an ill child. Men can also now split maternity cover with their partner. Also some men also give up work to raise the child. Not all women want child or get pregnant.
If you work on the rules of what if, do you then not employ fat people they may be more prone to heart or other illness? Do you not employ men, may be more likely to phone in sick on a Monday after the big game? Do you not employ old people, not as sharp as they once where or physically less able?
It's retarded logic. No two people are the same. Some women are stronger than men. Some old folk are in better physical condition than younger folk, some fat folk aren't going to have a heart attack. The point of equal rights is exactly that, equal rights. Best person for the job. It does not imply we are all of equal ability. If a workplace can't afford to cover maternity leave then you have to question it's viability as a business. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:51:49 PM |
Women with older children are also more likely to take time off for emergency-type issues.
shame the father didnt care the same about their kid in this emergency situation
Whoa.. What emergency situation? This is the internet. It's not real. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:56:02 PM |
Whoa.. What emergency situation? This is the internet. It's not real.
you're sh1tting me? since when?
he made a bold statement that women will let work down because of some emergency issue with their child,i'm asking where the father is in this situation as [maybe i'm not getting it here] emergency situation are kind of erm just that and you would think it would be important enough for the father to leave work for too wouldn't you?
christ the women haters on here | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 1:56:04 PM | You wouldn't have a full team of female firefighters, you can have the odd one because she is part of a team that is mainly males
my place of work is full of lazy bastard women | |
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| Equal rights... does this cover everything?
Posted: 3/25/2012 2:02:31 PM | I was just wondering what your thoughts are on many (women mostly in my experience) screaming out for the same social and employment rights that the male members of the human race seem to be endowed with at birth.
I didn't know that male members were endowed with social and employments rights at birth. I can't say I'm that surprised at such a relevation. I think I'm now suffering from penis envy.
But then expect to be treated in some way different to men and with a certain level of care and appreciation, to be showered with expensive gifts of designer perfume and other luxuries because they were blessed to born with a vagina.
Do I detect a bit of vagina envy creeping in? 
I guess these views stem from the stereotypical (and somewhat, old fashioned) view of women who stay at home and look after the house while the man goes out to work.
I don't know of many families these days who can afford for the woman to stay at home and take care of the home and kids while the man goes out to work.... do you? I was fortunate enough to have the choice to stay at home or go to work when I was being a wife and a mum and I chose to go back to work part time which I'm pleased I did as many women who made the choice to stay at home until the children were at school found it difficult getting back in to employment because they'd lost the work skills required in a fast moving modern society and found themselves needing to re-train or do something more menial and accept less money..
But surely, if women want to progress in modern society beyond the scope of this view and 'have it all'. They need to ditch this old fashioned view and take on a new attitude?
It's you that needs to ditch your own 'old fashioned' ideas and adopt a new attitude. How ignorant of you to suggest that most women want to be lavished with expensive gifts, etc when some of us are perfectly capable of buying our own.... and with no strings attached.
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Posted: 3/25/2012 2:09:55 PM |
shoanadove
i'm not aware that the parents not being together anymore should have any baring on an "emergency" situation,i would of thought both parents would of wanted to be dealing with that but hey ho
As I said, I'm not going to discuss how things should be in an ideal world as that is not relevant to the debate at hand. The *reality* is that women are more likely to take time off for family-related issues. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 2:12:27 PM | Family related issues/emergencies aside, women will always be the ones to take time off due to pregnancy and birth. There's no way, regardless of how much women fight for their version of equality, that a man can do that for them!
I wonder how many women, if the Father was called, would have their nose put out of joint and have something colourful to say on the matter?! | |
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| Equal rights... does this cover everything?
Posted: 3/25/2012 3:53:42 PM | of course i see woman digging holes and building brick walls every day, what was that saying years ago. a woman can do anything a man can, well ladies so can we | |
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