| | Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers?Page 1 of 1 | It's time to get a discussion going here on this topic that's been in the campaign rhetoric for some time now. There are multiple facets to it this campaign year including the perennial abortion wars heightened by Crusader Santorum & wife (now ante'd up to include 'contraception is wrong'); the Catholic bishops vs. ObamaCare mandated birth control coverage flap (which 28 states already require and the church-related employers already comply); Mitt Romney "we'll get rid of that" (Planned Parenthood funding); Susan V. Komen Foundation vs. Planned Parenthood fight; and now the boneheaded Democrat Hilary Rosen's ill-chosen cry against the MultiMillionaire Mormon Madonna Ann Romney "never worked a day in her life" stupidity. (Geez, Hilary, couldn't you have added, "outside the home" to at least qualify your comment? D'oh!)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/us/politics/hilary-rosens-ann-romney-comments-spark-campaign-debate.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp
Women’s Roles Set Off Debate Along the Trail Published: April 12, 2012 [...]
“I’m not a Mitt Romney supporter, but I think the comments about his wife were petty and unfair,” said Beth Shelton, 33, a property manager and mother who described herself as a moderate independent voter. “I was a stay-at-home mom for nine years. Working at home is hard. Working at an office is hard. There’s no way to say what’s easier. That’s not the point.”
Ms. Shelton continued: “There are a lot of real issues right now with Republicans and women, things having to do with birth control and women’s health care. There are more important things to be talking about having to do with supporting families, from a woman’s perspective.”
Other women echoed those sentiments.
Charlotte Udziela, a retired community college instructor in Beaverton, Ore., who supports Mr. Obama, said she wished both campaigns would address the issues of work, home economics and family balancing with more gusto. There is a “huge divide,” she said, between wealthy women like Mrs. Romney and women of more modest means who would like to stay home to raise children, but cannot afford to.
If Ms. Rosen “had chosen her words differently,” said Ms. Udziela, a grandmother of five, “this might have been a more useful discussion, something we should be talking about.”
[...] ...Appearing on Fox News on Thursday, Mrs. Romney stressed that she, too, had known struggles. But given that Mr. Romney’s wealth is estimated at $250 million, she acknowledged that her struggles had not been financial.
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In this case, Mr. Romney’s campaign has used the controversy to raise money. In an e-mail titled “War on Moms,” Beth Myers, Mr. Romney’s former chief of staff, asked for $6 in exchange for a “Moms Drive the Economy” bumper sticker. “If you’re a stay-at-home mom, the Democrats have a message for you: you’ve never worked a day in your life,” the e-mail said. “America deserves a president who will bring us together — not pit us against each other.”
Mr. Obama’s top political advisers moved rapidly to distance him from Ms. Rosen, noting that she is not a paid adviser to the campaign or to the Democratic National Committee. Mr. Obama’s most senior campaign aides posted on Twitter their outrage at Ms. Rosen’s comments moments after she made them.
“I could not disagree with Hilary Rosen any more strongly,” said Jim Messina, Mr. Obama’s campaign manager. “Her comments were wrong and family should be off limits. She should apologize.”
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I, for one, believe it will set back this country DECADES if the Repubs win this thing this year. Winning will be all a matter of rhetoric ("hockey moms" "femi-nazis" blah blah blah) and the Dems have lost the most recent skirmish thanks to Ms. Rosen's fumble.
As I said, this is multifaceted and of absolutely basic and critical importance. Women, weigh in! Men who care about women and children, weigh in! In what ways do you think this matters in our lives? | |
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| Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers? Posted: 4/13/2012 12:04:15 AM | | There has already been a huge post about this.... this also classifies as a rant ans will be deleted. I think politics comes down to the lesser of to evils. Do we women want a candidate who will set us back 20 years because they are openly old fashioned? or someone delusional that will still set us back 20 years for believing he knows what women want and need without even consulting one? | |
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| Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers? Posted: 4/13/2012 12:20:11 AM |
There has already been a huge post about this.... I was not aware of that. Sorry if I missed it. Could you provide the location [link to] that post or thread topic? What's the thread title? Which message number?
<div class="quote">this also classifies as a rant ans will be deleted.It certainly includes opinion on current politics. Rant?
Anyway, just found this Colbert Report on the topic. He's so much better at these things than I am... http://gawker.com/5900931/stephen-colbert-debunks-the-gops-war-on-women?tag=colbertreport
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| Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers? Posted: 4/13/2012 8:10:40 AM | This specific item isnt about the war on women , so dont even try to lump it in with that. Its simply an overbearing adversarial liberal doing what they do best - being adversarial & indiscriminately potshotting their sworn enemies. Limbaugh got nuttin' on those goons.
Rosen obviously doesnt have a problem with Democrat stay-at-home moms, or women with disabilities in general, unless they are from the other party & in the spotlight it seems. Typical blame-gaming loudmouth adversarial liberal . | |
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| Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers? Posted: 4/13/2012 4:18:33 PM | >^^^^LMAO ...  
Believe me ... if a topic can inspire such a post as above ... then you betcha it's a hot topic.
I'm reminded of how the rightwing nutjobs went frothing berzerk when Paul Begala (the television commentator and Democratic strategist) stated that "Dumbya" is a high functioning moron. Now they're doing the same thing over anyone who honestly points out that rightwing nutjobs are going after the women this year.
OP ... you're on the right track! Face it ... Romney was a stay-at-home mom. She has a very limited education compared to Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton and even Laura Bush for that matter.
Michelle Obama was on the honor roll for four years in high school, took advanced placement classes, a member of the National Honor Society and served as student council treasurer. Obama graduated in 1981 as the salutatorian of her class.
Michelle was inspired to follow her brother to Princeton University and majored in sociology and minored in African American studies. She graduated cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in 1985. She earned her Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree from Harvard Law School in 1988. She is the third First Lady with a postgraduate degree, after her two immediate predecessors, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Laura Bush.
Laura Bush attended Southern Methodist University in Dallas where she was a member of Kappa Alpha Theta. She graduated in 1968 with a Bachelor of Science degree in education.
After graduating from SMU, she began her career as a second grade school teacher at Longfellow Elementary School in the Dallas Independent School District, then taught for three years at John F. Kennedy Elementary School until 1972. In 1973, she attained a Master of Science degree in Library Science from the University of Texas at Austin.
Hillary Clinton enrolled at Wellesley College in 1965 and majored in political science. In 1969, she graduated with a Bachelor of Arts, with departmental honors. Following pressure from some fellow students, she became the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver its commencement address. Her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes.
Clinton then entered Yale Law School, where she served on the editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action. During her second year, she worked at the Yale Child Study Center, learning about new research on early childhood brain development and working as a research assistant on the seminal work, Beyond the Best Interests of the Child (1973). She also took on cases of child abuse at Yale-New Haven Hospital and volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free legal advice for the poor.
She received a Juris Doctor degree from Yale in 1973She embarked on a career in law after graduating from Yale Law School in 1973.
Then we have the current vice president's wife ... Jill Biden has a bachelor's degree from the University of Delaware, master's degrees from West Chester University and Villanova University and a doctoral degree from the University of Delaware. She taught English and reading in high schools for 13 years, and also taught adolescents with emotional disabilities at a psychiatric hospital.
From 1993 to 2008, she was an English and writing instructor at Delaware Technical & Community College. Since 2009, she has been a professor of English at Northern Virginia Community College and is thought to be the first Second Lady to hold a paying job while her husband is Vice President.
Ann Romney attended the private Kingswood School where she dated Mitt Romney. She converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1966 ... was previously Episcopalian. She attended Brigham Young University and married Mitt Romney in 1969. She completed her undergraduate education through the Extension School at Harvard University with a bachelor's degree in 1975. | |
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| Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers? Posted: 4/14/2012 5:03:31 AM | I myself am still trying to get a handle on what this "War On Women" thing actually is.
The trouble with all politically labelled movements and activities is, that both sides of an issue will try to fit the other sides talk and actions into the prepared characterization that they want everything to fit into.
In the case of the "War On Women," my suspicion is that it's only sort of real. Specifically, I do think that the GOP and it's allies are indeed trying very hard to attack absolutely anything about the opposition that they can, and that they are being very careless about what they attack. The only thing they care about, is that a given idea is associated with the Democrats, and they don't actually look directly at the idea itself at all, to see if it actually makes sense.
Thus, the GOP is attacking women's independence and freedom, but not because they consciously want women to be subservient. It's no different than how the GOP attacked the idea of Gay Marriage, by carelessly discarding States Rights concerns, and discarding individual freedom concerns, both of which they have long pretended that they wish to absolutely defend.
As for the one woman on the other side, who misspoke slightly in her attack on Mrs Romney, the fact that the GOP and it's allies are wildly magnifying her importance is the real story here. That woman has no credentials to connect her to the GOP's real opponents, but they are desperate to smear the opposition with any hint of the same sort of hypocrisy that they have decided to coat themselves with, that they are trying to turn her into a poster child for the Democrats.
Seems like a desperate act of insanity to me. | |
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| Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers? Posted: 4/18/2012 4:49:45 PM | Msg. 4:
This specific item isnt about the war on women , so dont even try to lump it in with that. Its simply an overbearing adversarial liberal doing what they do best - being adversarial & indiscriminately potshotting their sworn enemies. Limbaugh got nuttin' on those goons.
Rosen obviously doesnt have a problem with Democrat stay-at-home moms, or women with disabilities in general, unless they are from the other party & in the spotlight it seems. Typical blame-gaming loudmouth adversarial liberal .
I see. Thanks for explaining what was going on with all the rhetoric there - in your mind, at least...
Now, moving right along to the Wars at hand...
What's your take on the particular battlefront of Republican-controlled state legislatures mandating a medically unnecessary transvaginal ultrasound test for any woman seeking to exercise her constitutionally protected right to safe, legal abortion? For the record, I've had a medically-required transvaginal ultrasound exam in the past. Pretty weird, uniquely invasive examination, believe me. Not one I'd look forward to having against my will, for sure. Mandatory rectal examination for any man seeking erectile dysfunction treatment would, indeed, be comparable. Here are excerpts of what writer Megan Carpentier had to say about this:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/17/i-had-a-transvaginal-ultrasound-my-perspective-on-the-mandate-that-touched-off-2012s-war-on-women/
I had a transvaginal ultrasound: My perspective on the mandate that touched off 2012′s War On Women By Megan Carpentier Tuesday, April 17, 2012 15:37 EDT
Though Texas, Oklahoma and North Carolina all managed to get away with passing transvaginal ultrasound mandates for women seeking abortions with little national attention, it took my former home state of Virginia’s effort to do the same to bring people’s undivided attention to the anti-abortion movement’s long fight to make abortion as humiliating, expensive, difficult and unobtainable as constitutionally permissible. And not only did all that attention kill the Virginia bill (and a similar one in Pennsylvania), it touched off what some have taken to calling the GOP’s War On Women, though I’d argue these efforts started long before the election cycle.
But while many people weighed in on the mandate and its emotional weight for women forced to endure it, few women — with the notable exception of Carolyn Jones, who wrote about her encounters with the mandatory ultrasound law in Texas — wrote about what it’s like to go through one. Rather, quietly, woman after woman told me about having a transvaginal ultrasounds in other, medically-necessary contexts: to identify ovarian cysts, to help explain painful menstrual cycles and rule out cancer. All of them thought forcing women to undergo unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds to prove a political point about abortion was horrific; none of them wanted to go on the record about what it was like to have an ultrasound wand inserted into their bodies.
So, with the help of the generous staff at Preterm in Cleveland, Ohio, I stepped out of my skirt and onto an examination table to have a completely unncessary transvaginal ultrasound, and I documented the experience, which you can watch below. [MODEST VIDEO OF CARPENTIER ON THE EXAM TABLE IS AVAILABLE WITH THE ARTICLE ON RAWSTORY - (where4 edit)]
As you might be able to tell, it was vigorously uncomfortable — more than a typical pelvic exam, with which most women are very familiar. In part, it’s more uncomfortable because the technician has to press the wand directly against the areas she wants to get an image of — your uterus, Fallopian tubes and ovaries — so there’s more movement and more direct contact with pressure-sensitive areas of your body; you’re also not lying flat on your back to facilitate access to the upper reaches of your vagina; and you’re being penetrated with a longer, rigid object than is used in a regular pelvic exam. In my case, as the technician explained after, my uterus is “high,” or tilted toward my abdomen, so she had to tilt the wand accordingly — and because it was so uncomfortable, she halted the exam before fully exploring my Fallopian tubes or ovaries. If I had been pregnant (which I knew I was not), the exam might have lasted longer as she looked to rule out an ectopic pregnancy and locate the miniscule gestational sac.
It was not, however, like being raped, despite all the furor-generating headlines and “Doonesbury” cartoons that were printed. It was uncomfortable to the point of being painful, emotionally triggering (and undoubtedly is moreso for victims of rape or incest or any woman in the midst of an already-emotional experience) and something that no government should force its citizens to undergo to make a political point. But it wasn’t like being raped — and using language like that not only minimizes rape for its survivors but makes them and other women more frightened of the procedure, which has significant and important medical uses.
Notably, Preterm has a policy of performing ultrasounds on all patients seeking abortion, though Ohio law does not yet require it. For medical reasons, they use ultrasound to confirm pregnancies (in case of false positives), rule out ectopic pregnancies and physically locate the gestational sac in order to perform better, safer abortions. Patients that do not wish to undergo a transvaginal ultrasounds early in their pregnancies can opt to return at a slightly later date, when they are far enough along (though not too far along for a first trimester abortion) to be able to visualize something on the ultrasound.
But that, of course, is the choice of the patients and the medical professionals at Preterm. It’s not a choice to be made at a distance by elected officials with an ideological axe to grind, little medical knowledge and a belief that it’s acceptable to require doctors to put unnecessary instruments inside women’s bodies in an effort to achieve in practice what they can’t constitutionally pass into law: an end to abortion..
Hmmmm. Might this just be another example of 'simply an overbearing adversarial REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE doing what they do best - being adversarial & indiscriminately potshotting their sworn enemies' - WOMEN? | |
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| Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers? Posted: 4/19/2012 6:57:34 PM | "I think politics comes down to the lesser of two evils."
While that is probably true right now...why is that? Well I'll answer my own question! It's because the vast majority of Americans sit on their azzes and let the parties continue with business as usual. More people vote for the winner of American Idol than the president of the United States! Fewer get involved with the process of who gets nominated, or who runs.
Look at the number of voters participating in the primary process, it represents less than 20% of potential voters in the actual election. That means that about 20% of our population decides who will run for any elective office.
If you want viable candidates who will make a difference, get off your azz and get INVOLVED! That's the only way things will EVER get better. It's the ONLY way things will change. | |
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| Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers? Posted: 5/2/2012 4:33:01 AM |
I myself am still trying to get a handle on what this "War On Women" thing actually is.
It's a bunch of nonsense designed to fire up the Democrat and Republican bases and distract people from the real issues. | |
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| Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers? Posted: 7/14/2012 8:45:58 AM | | If there is any war on women, it's Obama who is at war with them. There are twice as many women out of work , than men, under the Obama administration. Obama's policies have been JOB KILLERS. | |
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| Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers? Posted: 7/14/2012 12:10:35 PM |
There are twice as many women out of work , than men, under the Obama administration. Could you please provide a link that specifically backs that up?
Obama's policies have been JOB KILLERS. What specifically do you mean by "policies"?
Which "policy" is a JOB KILLER? Again, could you please provide a link that specifically backs up your statements? | |
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