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 seriouslyfunnylady
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I stumbled across a very interesting article put out by National Geographic on the different Legends of Great Floods.

It appears that most cultures have some legend that talks about a Great Flood and specific people that were saved due to some type of Divine intervention.

What are your thoughts.

source: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html
 Dei Gratia
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Posted: 7/27/2005 9:10:22 AM
The theory pages ends with this....
the tale of the flood was passed down through the generations and eventually became the Noah story.
 seriouslyfunnylady
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Posted: 7/27/2005 9:17:39 AM
Are you trying to say that the Article is proving that it was Noah's Story?

It also states in the same article that.


Older than Genesis is the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh, a king who embarked on a journey to find the secret of immortality. Along the way, he met Utnapishtim, survivor of a great flood sent by the gods. Warned by Enki, the water god, Utnapishtim built a boat and saved his family and friends, along with artisans, animals, and precious metals.
 Dei Gratia
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Posted: 7/27/2005 9:23:10 AM
And by what means do they know such a story? someone's word of mouth after all theses years? come on who are you going to believe that common sinful man? or a Holy Bible written long ago by the Spirit of God?
 seriouslyfunnylady
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Posted: 7/27/2005 10:13:50 AM
I know you, just like most of us, want documentation on things, I can't blame you for that.

So here it is, and yes it is a copy and paste.



The Epic of Gilgamesh is, perhaps, the oldest written story on Earth. It comes to us from Ancient Sumeria, and was originally written on 12 clay tablets in cunieform script. It is about the adventures of the historical King of Uruk (somewhere between 2750 and 2500 BCE).


I think that qualifies as written proof.

source:http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/
 Dei Gratia
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Posted: 7/27/2005 11:06:40 AM
And yet the Bible was there since The beginnings of man, Adam and Eve and there was the Biblical reference of saving God's people Through Moses and the Departure of them from Egypt.
 ~Enchantress~
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Posted: 7/27/2005 1:20:27 PM
The Bible is only 4000 years old Dei....How could it have been there at the beginning of man? that is goofy. Adam and Eve may have been, but it wasnt 4000 years ago sorry.
 Dei Gratia
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Posted: 7/27/2005 1:21:59 PM

The Bible is only 4000 years old Dei....How could it have been there at the beginning of man?
Not so try again there are thousands of sites that will tell you the same number Ent google it.

As for Adam and Eve well we know they themselves lived for close to a thousand years them selves and they told their story with the experience with God to their children and there was a good family line to tell for that many years. and that has kept going till mankind was able to write.
 seriouslyfunnylady
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Posted: 7/27/2005 1:26:07 PM
So, Dei, even though I offered *solid* proof in stone tablets, you still deny it?

*shaking head*

This was not a story of Noah It predates Christianity.
 ~Enchantress~
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Posted: 7/27/2005 1:32:54 PM

it predates christianity


Most things do, the dead sea scrolls pre-date it, and paganism pre-dates it, the story of Noahs ark pre-dates it.
 Dei Gratia
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Posted: 7/27/2005 1:33:40 PM
Notice the beginning of the history of biblical preservation:

"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, "Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee" (Deuteronomy 31:24-26).

Here we see the beginning of the sacred trust given to the Levites to safeguard the Scriptures. The "writings of words" referred to here are the first five books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, also known as the Law or Pentateuch (Greek) or Torah (Hebrew).

From that time forward, the religious leaders of Israel became the zealous guardians of the Scriptures.
 ~Enchantress~
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Posted: 7/27/2005 1:35:51 PM
Scripture proves absolutly nothing here Dei... The site says the Bible isn't the first one to have this theory, quoteing the bible proves nothing.
 Dei Gratia
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Posted: 7/27/2005 1:38:02 PM
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 seriouslyfunnylady
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Posted: 7/27/2005 1:38:58 PM
What does that have to do with the 12 stone tablets? Or with the fact that the Story of Noah's Ark, was actually a history stolen ?
 ~Enchantress~
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Posted: 7/27/2005 1:40:12 PM
The dead sea scrolls say Jesus was a re-incarnation of "an earlier saviour" Many of the Ideas of christianity can be found in earlier roots, like Jesus/ Mithra for example.
 Vermonter
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Posted: 7/27/2005 1:52:49 PM
I believe that the Gilgamesh tablets were destroyed when the USAF bombed Baghdad and destroyed the museum there. There were lots of older tablets destroyed also.
 Boyfriend Lite
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Posted: 7/27/2005 2:54:27 PM
I have heard repeatedly that there are many cultures that have the similar "flood" story.

If this means anything, it actually adds to the credability of the flood, rather than detracting from it, since it implies that more than just the Jewish people remembered this event. Very interesting indeed.
 ~Enchantress~
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Posted: 7/27/2005 2:56:24 PM
Oh I agree with you actually Robert, I just feel that the one in the bible is taken from earlier sources.
 seriouslyfunnylady
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Posted: 7/27/2005 2:57:04 PM
Did you read the link, I found it very interesting.
 Vermonter
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Posted: 7/27/2005 3:05:56 PM

I have heard repeatedly that there are many cultures that have the similar "flood" story.
This also helps explain the question "How did Noah fit all the animals into one little boat"? Now iffin there were lots and lots of little boats all over the earth, that might explain it.

We dont need the Bible to prove the flood, the geological evidence is overwhelming...evidently a big asteroid came to close to the Earth and tilted the earths axis...
 seriouslyfunnylady
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Posted: 7/27/2005 3:18:31 PM
well now, I read another theory that said there was water trapped under the land that built up pressure and made it's way through, Thinking up by alaska and that's what broke the Continent apart and also caused the Ice age.

but the Theory was it broke through with such force that on it's return to earth it appeared as rain, or ice.

anyways, just another Theory.
 Vermonter
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Posted: 7/27/2005 3:24:01 PM
Actually it was all one giant continent before the flood, then the continents broke up and shifted to where they are now. That explains why we have Keltic sites here in Vermont and New Hampshire and Maine.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 7/27/2005 6:57:26 PM
All the flood stories from the Mediteranean region probably find their origin in the creation of the Black Sea. They have found evidence of ancient society on the sea bed, would have lead to flood stories being carried all over. Each society would have made what they want of it. Story of Altlantis probably comes from the same event.
 RDtoo
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Posted: 7/27/2005 8:43:15 PM
Actually the Gilgamesh story is crucial in confirming Biblical events. An excellent book on this topic is "History begins at Sumer". The Sumarians and later the Babyloanians wrote down many things that parallel Biblical events. One thing people tend to overlook is that the world was a much smaller place in ancient times, at least the known world. A major flood would have been a given to all ancient peoples. It is not like one group had to steal from another. Does the Gilgamesh Epic predate the Bible? Depends. The first 5 books of the Bible are credited to Moses. It is thought that everything had been handed down by word of mouth before that. But had it? Maybe Moses composed history from some forgotten tablets or scrolls that were passed down.

Interestingly enough for those who scoff at the thought of the world being only 6000 years old. According to the book "History begins at Sumer", we have no known history before 4000 BC. There is no evidence of a society that existed before this.
 longte
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Posted: 7/27/2005 9:15:42 PM
"Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee" (Deuteronomy 31:24-26).

This "Ark of the Covenant" was a small container/chest, not the Vessel reported as Noahs Ark
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