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 Balsamica
Joined: 2/24/2012
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http://polidics.com/news/another-hidden-secret-in-obamacare-rfid-chip-implants.html

According to this, circulating on the internet, within 36 months of Obamacare passing, each and every American is supposed to have a chip implanted that contains their medical records and bank account. Deductibles would be credited to their bank accounts in "real time", i.e. right at the appointment.

Fact or fiction?
 WalksOnWater2
Joined: 5/19/2009
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:39:14 PM
Consider the source, and don't believe everything that floats on the web.

There are state laws that prohibit such actions as forced implantation of chips (or salsa) on people.
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/sen/sb_0351-0400/sb_362_bill_20071012_chaptered.html
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 5/14/2012 4:42:47 AM
Obviously fiction, from the simple and obvious fact that it is "floating around the web," and not being discussed on the floor of Congress, or in the mainstream news.

No doubt it started as yet another paranoia based joke by an opponent of general public health care ideas.
 SugahPunkin
Joined: 5/28/2010
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Posted: 5/14/2012 5:34:20 AM
I dont know about all that but I do know they have started a similar program in Jacksonville at the hospitals on new borns.
 Blah_User_Name
Joined: 8/27/2011
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:14:52 AM
It has to be fiction - jeez, even convicted pedophiles can't be forced to have such an implant.

Would be a great opportunity for scammers though ! LOL. They could develop a reader which scans the chip as the person walks by and have immediate access to their bank accounts.

Have you ever thought about buying a house hippo ?
 Balsamica
Joined: 2/24/2012
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:18:13 AM
""Obviously fiction, from the simple and obvious fact that it is "floating around the web," and not being discussed on the floor of Congress, or in the mainstream news. No doubt it started as yet another paranoia based joke by an opponent of general public health care ideas.""

I got the link as "proof" of another link that is circulated by a naive friend who gets this kind of thing daily and forwards it. The stream of Republican hate and lies, I suppose, could be written off to politics but a lot of them are very slick and convincing, professionally done ... most of them.

Very disturbing. People believe these things, in fact, a lot of the Republicans I know base their beliefs almost totally on lies they've come to believe and are totally misinformed. It's very disturbing.
 SpringsDiver
Joined: 7/2/2011
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Posted: 5/14/2012 8:45:43 AM
They could develop a reader which scans the chip as the person walks by and have immediate access to their bank accounts.


I recently saw a graphic of this type of setup in a magazine. It's designed to read the info from some type of card surreptitiously. That info is of course copied onto a blank card so it can be used.
Obamacare Implantable Chips - Fact or Fiction?
Posted: 5/14/2012 10:13:13 AM

They could develop a reader which scans the chip as the person walks by and have immediate access to their bank accounts.

That technology already exists, it is called RFID

Most bank cards are emended with an RFID chip and someone with a reader can access that info and if they have the time and or the pc power they can crack the encryption.

Which is why I keep all my bank cards and passport in a metal case / wallet.
 Blah_User_Name
Joined: 8/27/2011
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Posted: 5/14/2012 10:25:46 AM
^^^ Really ? Wow. I now need to go and chat with my friend Google regarding this matter and see how common place they are. I suppose this is the technology used in the 'fast pay' credit cards ?

^^ And Passport ? Is there something in the Canadian passports which is readable ? (I still have a UK one as they are valid for 10 years but will replace with a Canadian once it expires).

EDIT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTgMGFd-1eo
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
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Posted: 5/14/2012 10:43:45 AM

Really ? Wow. I now need to go and chat with my friend Google regarding this matter and see how common place they are. I suppose this is the technology used in the 'fast pay' credit cards ?

You only need ~$10, some free time, a pc and some unsuspecting victims.




^^ And Passport ? Is there something in the Canadian passports which is readable ? (I still have a UK one as they are valid for 10 years but will replace with a Canadian once it expires).

Canada started in 09 with a pilot program and since 2011 all passports have RFID chips imbedded.
 Blah_User_Name
Joined: 8/27/2011
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Posted: 5/14/2012 10:49:09 AM
^^ I didn't realize that. My children have Canadian passports now and my next one will be Canadian issued. Good to know. I think I need to go shopping for a new purse ! LOL The sheer inconvenience is a big enough incentive without the added fact your accounts could be wiped in minutes.

EDIT - I'll take cash.
 tuloa942
Joined: 2/21/2012
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:56:06 PM
The technology is there. And I REALLY don't think any hospital is implanting children of any age! I know the world is going crazy but that is just stupid! Saying so doesn't make it so. State the facts and give proof!!

I remember reading somewhere about people discussing implanting gps chips into their children just as some have started doing with dogs. It was shot down in the courts because of the lack of privacy and human rights. I'm sure that doesn't mean that some unscrupulous people aren't doing it for money somewhere! Good grief, talk about helicopter parents.

Stop the world, I wanna get off!
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 5/14/2012 8:08:12 PM
There are, of course, potential positives to the idea. The thought has been put out many times, to extend the concept of a medical ID bracelet, which some people wear to warn doctors of special conditions, should they come under care while unable to communicate. The chips would be a normal extension of that, providing more thorough and complete information, which could be updated periodically.

And I suspect the paranoid and very typical GOP-style "be afraid! be vary afraid!" presentation/rumor of this, is a direct outgrowth of those very old, and real suggestions.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 5/14/2012 11:06:50 PM
I imagine it's fictions, but I would love to be able to go to a doctor, I'm suppose to be on several medications but while I can get them at Walmart for $4 a piece, I can't afford to go to the doctor, get the required tests done and get the prescriptions. I'd be happy to have a chip inserted if it meant I could get medical care. Some people haven't been bad enough off to know that things are that rough out there.
 PGL7
Joined: 8/7/2010
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Posted: 5/14/2012 11:09:47 PM
Hard to believe this is anything but fiction.
There would be a revolution if this were attempted.
 Molly Maude
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Posted: 5/14/2012 11:34:51 PM
decades ago, the hospitals around here had (and still have) chips placed ON the newborns and pediatric patients ... not IN them but on their little bracelets or clothing ... if a baby or child patient goes or is taken beyond the area they're supposed to be confined to, an alarm goes off ...

six years ago, when I was walking with my daughter and newborn son to get him to stop fussing when we were still in the hospital, at one point, we accidentally walked beyond the barrier ... an alarm went off and we were quickly escorted back to our area! I thought it was an excellent idea!!

but the chips were embedded into the bracelets or clothing or baskets ... not within the child!
 Ms. Gibson
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Posted: 5/14/2012 11:50:22 PM
I've read that your "friend Google" has the technology to drive by your home in their so-called 'Google Cars' and capture all of the information you have on your computer without your consent or knowledge.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 5/15/2012 12:25:02 AM

Hard to believe this is anything but fiction.
There would be a revolution if this were attempted.


Exactly. A law requiring an identification device to be inserted in a person's body would be unconstitutional on several grounds, as I'm sure most people suspect.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
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Posted: 5/15/2012 4:48:33 AM
True but when it comes to Obamacare constitutionality wasnt a concern when they ran it through and passed it..
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 5/15/2012 5:03:12 AM
^^^ oh, now you are just being silly.

Congress is INFAMOUS for passing laws that don't pass muster with the courts. It doesn't mean that they are "out to get you," it just means that they are typical, sloppy politicians, often purposely passing legislation they know full well will be struck down, so that they can go to their constituents, and say "I tried to help you, but those darn judges wont let me." Both parties, and all ends of the political spectrum play this game.

It's not a pernicious plot.
 Balsamica
Joined: 2/24/2012
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Posted: 5/15/2012 5:45:21 AM
PGLZ,

The "Revolution" you refer to is an offshoot political group to unseat Obamacare, stating this is a provision of it.

Tea Party stuff............and they're believing it, of course.
 bluegreen14
Joined: 4/22/2012
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Posted: 5/16/2012 10:47:43 AM
This is fiction and so is most of what Republicans say about Obamacare.
 PGL7
Joined: 8/7/2010
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Posted: 5/16/2012 1:55:56 PM

PGLZ,

The "Revolution" you refer to is an offshoot political group to unseat Obamacare, stating this is a provision of it.

Tea Party stuff............and they're believing it, of course.


No I was referring to all Americans regardless of political affiliation who will riot in the streets if this "mark of the beast" is attempted.
I was defending Obama.
But by all means show us all where the Tea Party has stated that Obama is planning this mark of the beast health care chip because here is what I found...



Lets first say this, I am an Obama supporter 100%.

There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like.


The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...

Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency
transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.

http://current.com/community/90842279_coverage-under-obamacare-will-require-an-implantable-microchip.htm

And thats from an Obama supporter.
Snopes refutes the claim but the point is this is not a Tea Party thing.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
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Posted: 5/16/2012 2:06:50 PM
But by all means show us all where the Tea Party has stated that Obama is planning this mark of the beast health care chip because here is what I found...

Challenge accepted.


The Obama Care Bill does have have the word,"implantable" anywhere in its text. HR 3590, better known as ‘‘Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act’’.

The device has to be "life sustaining" such as a "pace maker" and has nothing to do with a implanted chip to store data.

Copy of bill found here:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590eas/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590eas.pdf


What you have posted is a complete misrepresentation of the bill and was created to fool the ones that where not smart enough to look it up for themselves.
 PGL7
Joined: 8/7/2010
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Posted: 5/16/2012 2:11:05 PM
Exactly, read my posts.
I have stated in my posts that I don't believe the OP's original story.
The story I posted was by an Obama supporter so this is on both sides.

I don't for a second believe President Obama would attempt this.

You need to read the posts correctly.
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