| | Chinese CarsPage 1 of 5 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) | So who here is going to buy a China car when they hit the US market?
I figure since I have a Chinese wife, own real estate in the PRC as well as oil stocks, I might as well drive a Chinese car.
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Posted: 5/23/2012 2:44:38 PM | I think folks that buy em,
may end up parking em next to their Yugo someday.
Not that Chinese cars are shoddy.
I'm sure they are not.
But neither were Yugos.
It's just when you buy commie cars
you may not get the full warranty
when the country of origin falls apart.
In my view, Freedom cars are the best buy.
Many different countries make their own types.
and they will be around to service em.
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Posted: 5/23/2012 3:50:58 PM |
In my view, Freedom cars are the best buy.
Ya... just like Freedom appliances, electronics, garments, footwear... all available at your local Walmart...
..... no.. they aren't... because the rush to buy cheaper commie goods put the workers in Freedom factories out of jobs as manufacturing went east. | |
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Posted: 5/23/2012 4:53:10 PM | Don't forget Freedom Fries!!!
Made only in the USA, and available only in the USA!
Pass the ketchup, please.
Paul K | |
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Posted: 5/23/2012 6:47:49 PM | I've been boycotting Walmart for years.
Not because every product silently screams in pain at me
from the underpaid massively overworked worker who made it.
But because those stores
..................are just
.........................too fickin big!
I don't want to walk 5 miles just to buy a few batteries.
and then have to wait an 30 minutes to pay for em
because they only have a few checkout lines open.
(Where I sense the silent despair of the underpaid and overworked checkout person.)
I do most of my shopping local places
where folks are paid decent.
I pay more, but happiness does cost more.
doesn't it. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 5:45:54 AM | you seen Chinese car crash tests? youre safer letting a bus hit you head on while riding a motorcycle.
No thanks. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 6:55:45 AM | | You live in America and need to support American workers. Do you not remember the economy crashing in 2008? Dont add to the trade deficit, buy American, and support American wokers. Besides I have never purchased anything from China that was worth a shit. Everything they make is made to throw away and I dont think their cars are any different. Think about repair costs as well or just basic maintenance. Do you have any idea how much more an oil filter costs for a Chinese car versus and American? | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 8:05:44 AM | Is the lead paint job toxic? Is it smaller than a smart car, but larger than a smartphone? Is the car hungry/thirsty for gas an hour later?  | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 8:10:50 AM | It's the big 3 for me, as far as cars go. I try to buy American whenever I can. I noticed it's getting hard to find clothing made here though. I really hate buying shirts that fall apart the first time I wash them, [yes, it's happened].
I'm not in the market for a wife. But, never say never so I've heard. I would'nt rule out an import in that respect however. Love means never having to pay a tariff?? | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 9:37:01 AM |
It's the big 3 for me, as far as cars go. I try to buy American whenever I can
Don't let little details like the FRENCH owning Chrysler get in the way of that...
"USA! USA!"
Does anyone pay attention to ANYTHING anymore?? | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 10:25:57 AM | Sorry, Italian. (I associate Fiat with France for some reason. Their major market for years?)
In any event, Fiat owns a 58% stake, and the United Auto Workers 41% (good grief,) and US and Canadian governments own the balance as of an article in the WSJ dated January 2012 Fiat was quoted as saying they are in the process of buying up the UAW's portion next.
Our "Euro Brothers" have fallen to Socialism. (Euro Zone is in fine present standing of course.) You'll forgive us if we don't think that's the path forward and get concerned when they start buying up American manufacturers. (And the similarities in history when governments bought up industry.) What followed? Hmmm....
Oh sorry... GM bought up junk shares of PEUGOT.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/an-american-auto-bailout-for-france/
Kinda like the true recipient of the "Auto Bailout" -GMAC, (a large BANK) got their bad home loans paid off by the taxpayers and went out and bought sub-prime investments afterward.
Confusing, isn't it?? | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 11:21:53 AM | Good As a GM fan, they can share platforms and development costs with the PSA group.
All major manufacturers are forming alliances now. Just how its going.
Exactly right Frank. I've owned vehicles from all of the "big 3 automakers". I'll continue to buy these vehicles as I am satisfied with the quality of said vehicles.
Plus, I get the satisfaction of supporting union autoworkers and parts suppliers. I am union so I do my best to support fellow union workers and Americans. For this I have no apologies or regrets. I really don't care who owns the factories. I care how they treat their employees.....
Yes, there are foreign mfgrs. with plants in the USA employing Americans. When these mfgrs. let their employees unionize I might buy one of their vehicles. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 11:29:22 AM | Go ahead be my guest buy a Chinese Car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ULm6QrC428&feature=fvwrel
Still want one now? lol
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Posted: 5/24/2012 11:48:52 AM | Chineses cars !
can't get a hand can opener that works!
or a pair of shoes, just about, no! makw that everything made in that country breaks!
my mom, bought a hand can opener, in the late 50's, she still has it, made in america
i need one for camping | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 1:18:00 PM |
Plus, I get the satisfaction of supporting union autoworkers and parts suppliers. I am union so I do my best to support fellow union workers and Americans. For this I have no apologies or regrets. I really don't care who owns the factories. I care how they treat their employees.....
Ahhh... support your own. Got it. And the unions had NOTHING to do with the unsustainable practices of the big 3?
How many parts suppliers had to file bankruptcy and were left holding the bag when the Big 3 declared bankruptcy?
But you got yours, and so did your friends. THAT is the major problem with society today. ME, ME, ME. You exemplified it BEAUTIFULLY. Well done. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 1:23:39 PM |
So who here is going to buy a China car when they hit the US market?
I would guess only the ones with access to a time machine, as with out knowing what is coming that is pretty much impossible to say.
Though that said, I am sure one will be here in less than 10 years.
People make fun of the Chinese car industry, but if you look at where they have come to where their are now it is not hard to imagine them producing a decent car.
I wonder how many people said they would not buy a Honda or a Hyundai when they first showed up.
With the Chinese unlimited cheap labor supply they have the ability to do some serious damage to the US market.
Top Gear (UK) did a segment last season on the Chinese car industry and some pretty interesting stuff.
Watch the UK’s Top Gear talk Chinese cars
Culture | Ash | February 6, 2012 at 10:14 pm
There was a lot of rumor and speculation with regards to Jeremy Clarkson’s antics behind the wheel of Chinese cars, would he offend a nation of 1.3 billion by saying their domestic automobiles are rubbish? Would he drop a caravan from a great height onto a Chinese car? Would Chinese nationals be burning up effigies of Clarkson and burning them outside the British embassies and consulates up and down China? Would a diplomatic spat appear? Of course not. Nothing happened.
In fact Clarkson and May were overly supportive of Chinese cars, despite their horrendous pronunciation of some of their names (hint: The Qi in Hong Qi is the same Qi as in Tai Chi), in his own words Clarkson commented that Chinese cars had come a long way in a short time and are likely to gain on improvements in the coming years. Top Gear were quite nice to cloned cars such as the BYD F0 and the S-CEO, just a light mocking rather than a complete ripping that we were expecting.
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2012/02/06/watch-uks-top-gear-talk-chinese-cars/ | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 2:01:37 PM | Msg 18, seems you've mistaken me for an autoworker. Wrong, I'm a skilled tradesman and I've helped build a few auto plants in my time.
And, my town is an automotive mfg. town. If there were parts suppliers here that filed bankruptcy they sure have kept it quiet. And, thanks to our president my town actually has a automotive manufacturer left. Chrysler Jeep, which has been turning a profit by the way. Along with the other big 3.
And, if you think that people forming unions for the betterment of it's members is wrong then it's people like YOU that are societys main problem.And it's US,US,US by the way.Yes, we're individuals but we recognize that working together we can do more than singly. Only 12% of the workforce is now union and people like the Tea Party, Koch Bros., And Mitt Romney are trying to obliterate us.Why?? When we're gone they'll rule the country.Who'll stop them? Unless of course,you're a member of the rich elite. That must be where you fall in , eh Pesco??
And you better believe I support my own. Union made and if possible American made. If more people would do the same this country would'nt be facing the debt/unemployment problems we have. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 2:11:35 PM |
How many parts suppliers had to file bankruptcy and were left holding the bag when the Big 3 declared bankruptcy?
No idea, how many? | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 2:18:58 PM | still,
Too literal. You're union, they're union. Good enough for you. Any bankruptcy, plenty of people are left holding the bag. If you don't care who owns the factories, I doubt you care if they went bankrupt and bothered to check anyway. I have no idea how you can make such a myopic statement and then in the same breath start in about the Koch Brothers. So if the KOCH BROTHERS owned the factory, THEN you care? Good grief. Re-think everything, please.
Unions formerly were a great thing. What they became is what I take issue with, as do most people. It became a mafia. The right wing trying to squash collective bargaining is unsettling to be certain. But holding up the Big 3 as an example of what unions can do is not the best example, is it? No. This global re-distribution of everything is happening under both parties. Don't hold one party's feet to the flame and give a pass to the other. The guise of choice is needed to keep us pacified. The agendas carry on none the less, don't they?
In this globalist charade, there are no winners but the 1% crowd like the Kochs. They'll survive no matter what. But they desperately need to pitt us against one another for things to, "work."
You found your way here, didn't you guys? Google:
GM suppliers bankruptcy
Yeah, no one was affected by one of the largest bankruptcy filings in US history...
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Posted: 5/24/2012 2:20:41 PM | funny, the west has no problem 'offending the muslims, 2 billion strong
china, is a nightmare, always has been,
the corruption in that country is now at the molecular level
you can't take a 'stone age peasant' and make him/her a good worker
the chinese government, is a horrible , and brutal dictatorship, torture, murder, and ethnic cleansing is going on in that country that would make Hitler and Stalin blush
they are not capable of manufacturing, a hand held can opener
that works
yet alone a car | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 2:57:22 PM | Msg 22, I used the Koch bros as an example of union destruction becauses they were backing the politicians who were trying to kill the states public employees unions. They backed tea party Govs. who then tried to eliminate bargaining rights for their states unions. Ohio and Wisconsin are 2 examples of their handiwork.Unions stopped them in Ohio. Wisconsins Gubernatorial Reelection is next month. Courtesy of the unions in Wisc.
Unions IMHO are needed now more than ever. If only as a counter balance to the power wielded by the rich in this country.If, in your opinion they are a mafia, then they're a mafia working for it's workers/members. And global redistribution is as much the fault of those buying the goods as it is of either political party. We brought it on ourselves. Like the bumper sticker said " Out of work ? Hungry? Keep buying foreign." The best way to stop globalization is to buy domestic goods.
So, when the rich bust all the unions and buy the country we'll all be working for them. Things here will be just like China which now is like the USA was 100 yrs. ago. When you've got no say in your workplace and all the labor laws that unions were instrumental in establishing are made null and void what'cha gonna do???
Answer, use the power of US and form a UNION.... | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 7:11:07 PM | | Go to a dealership sometime and look at the sheet that lists the origins of the cars they are selling. A new Dodge Charger has an engine made in Mexico, Asian, and US components assembled in Canada. There is more US labor in many Toyotas and Subarus than many of the "big 3's" current offerings. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 8:29:36 PM | Sure, I'd buy one if they were good value for the dollar.
I was in China a couple years back and cars were pretty much the same as in the rest of Asia. Last year China became the largest car market in the world and in 6 years more new cars will be sold in China than North America and Europe combined.
However, hard to beat a Toyota Corolla. I've recently bought my third one in 27 years. If it lasts as long as the first two it'll be 40 years of Corollas with only a couple repairs other than routine maintenance. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 7:25:16 PM | | My experience with Chinese tech products has not been good.That and the fact the Chinese play by their own rules regarding patents and intellectual property.No way I would buy Chinese. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 3:20:19 AM | It is not a question, of unions,its just a simple question of, can the chinese build anything, that works
the answer is no,has any body been to that country
the people in the country side, live a stone age life
these peasants are hurded into factories,and forced to work,they simplly have no idea, of what they are doing
there are no standards at all, no concept of quality, no concept of being a consumer, just brutal work
the north american auto industry, was founded on inovation, Ford, changed the world by trainning workers, and paying them enough to buy, what they produced
this idea was copied by every western industrialized nation | |
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