| | Carbohydrates and Protiens DietingPage 1 of 3 (1, 2, 3) | | There are people who generally try the All Carb diets and All protien diets s which kinda drives me nuts.Ive had this discussion with a couple other Trainers that i work with along with a nutritionist friend of mine and None of us believe in these diets. There's a Reason why theres 3 general sources in which your body produces energy. Fats , Carbs , and Protien and in fact your body needs all 3 of these. The main thing that irks me is that i believe people are just hurting thier bodies more because they are fed mis-information and it causes more problems then fixes. I personally go by the Food Pyramid and Include all the Major food groups into my diet and any of my clients throughout the week. Does anyone see where going on an all protein diet could be beneficial. you depriving your body of numerous things such as vitamins and anti-oxidants and carbohydrates and fats. your not in-taking anything in which is sustaining your lighter functions. most of your daily energy is consumed from fats. The energy your body uses for talking , walking , and typing or writing. I can go on hours on how the body works but i just don't see how all protien or all carb diets can benefit anyone. does anyone know the benefits? do you believe like i do that these can hurt people more then help them? | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 5:25:34 PM | | You're correct but people like quick fixes so when they lose weight with one of these extreme diets they are happy. Some don't care if they don't feel that healthy when they are on these diets as long as they are losing. They usually gain it back when they go off the extreme way of eating. A good website that encourages healthy well rounded food groups for eating is Sparkpeople.com. They have millions of people on it (a free site) and people blog about their journeys and the site provides every tool for free if interested . | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 6:29:16 PM | That is very interesting. I have not heard of an all Carb or all Protein diet as both would be completely and utterly STUPID. If you did nothing but carbs your body would canabolize your muscles in order to get the amino acids it needs to function. You also need fats so that would be a double whammi as the body can't produce needed fats for such things as hormones etc.
In all protein diet would be better than an all carb but again you are missing the fats and the other good things that come with carbs.
Carbs are a non-essential nutrient in that what it provides the body can make from fats and amino acids. You would miss certain things such as vitamins, minerals and fibers all of which can be supplemented if needed but there really is not need to go that extreme and eliminate them. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 8:06:42 PM | | I'm completely against any "all or nothing" fad diets. The best "diet" you can have is a healthy one that incorporates proteins, carbs and fats. The ratios of macronutrients will depend on your specific goals and body type and lifestyle. For those wanting to cut carbs, really the only safe way to do so (and the only way you will NOT immediately balloon up on once you get off it) is through carb cycling. I have used it myself and it was the only way I could get into the single digit bodyfat percentages. The idea behind it is you have 3 low-carb days, 3 medium-carb days and 1 high-carb day every week. That way you get the benefits of cutting carbs, but you still get to refuel your glycogen stores before your body starts munching on your hard-earned muscles for energy. A sample would be: Monday, Wed, Fri - Low, Tues, Thurs, Sunday - Med, Sat - High. | |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 9:37:17 PM | Well clearly if you eat nothing but protein your body will be forced to make nothing but muscle and burn all your excess fat for energy, resulting in you being absolutely shredded.
Come on dude, that's broscience 101. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 3:55:02 AM | If you want to be healthy you adapt to eating a good variety of foods and it depends on days/seasons and your level of activity.
I do not think grains should be part of most peoples diets unless they are doing hard manual labor 5 days a week and need cheap energy.
Well clearly if you eat nothing but protein your body will be forced to make nothing but muscle and burn all your excess fat for energy, resulting in you being absolutely shredded.
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If its to much it can do harm to your bones and organs, plus make your urine, sweat and feces smell gawd awful if the protein is mainly with animal flesh.
Veggies , beans , legumes, organic dairy and nuts have protein, it doesnt need to be just meat.
Spinach and watermelon ( exp) have nutrients for muscle growth. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 7:49:05 AM | You're talking about brand name diets which can't exist if they don't have something to stand apart from others in a marketing sense. Personally, I don't use an either/or approach. In my case, I cut out processed and high fat foods and eat as natural as is practical(you don't have to grow everything). There is no reason to give up one thing or another when there are plenty of good, healthy foods on the market which can substitute for bad unhealthy food.
The only reason I can see for choosing one side is food allergies. Other than that, it's all a marketing smoke screen. The fact is, any change you make to your regime will cause you to see change. However, the body is quick to adapt, but at that point those diet suppliers already have your money. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2012 8:21:44 PM |
vitamins, minerals and fibers all of which can be supplemented if needed but there really is not need to go that extreme and eliminate them.
There are also phytochemicals that benefit the body which don't come in supplements or would require that you pop tons of pills to get some of them. I agree, quite extreme. Better to just eat your veggies, raw or lightly cooked if possible. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2012 5:15:16 AM | Never took training seriously in my life and use to go get a take away after each training session i had and i managed to keep in shape, but my body type is ectomorph so it varies.
I would advise from personal experience, eating a varied diet and just cutting out any juices from concentrate, sugary food, fried/oily food. And eating 3 teaspoons of mixed nuts would helpget you into shape, Also drinking regular amounts of water during the day (because your body usually is thirsty but you mistake it for hunger, hence you never feel satisfied after a meal).
Though IMHO thats not the way to live life, i like my regular eclairs and weekly cheesecake, but i have never been overweight. Its dependant on your body type really (though i get warned i am more at risk of getting diabetes then putting on weight).
My friends envy me and i don't understand what they envy i really struggle to put on weight, my fitness instructor got tired of monitoring my diet and told me just to overeat to put on weight. He said as long as you overeat you will put on weight, an average training session burns 1400 calories so i would need to consume 4000+to put on weight.
Though i have always lived a active lifestlye jogging since i was 7 years old with my father and elder brother. and still jog 6 miles in the morning 40 mins after breakfast, aswell as compete in sport at an amateur level. So i don't mean to say go eat what you want you'll be fine. But yeah just keep the diet varied. I probably don't gain weight as im always active and haven't lived my life in any other way.
second paragraph is most relevant really :P. I only look after my diet if i got a holiday planned or there is a recognised national tournament in the coming year.
All in all i do what i have to do and try to have to have fun, if it becomes tedious, I go to gym with friends it can be considered a social event we have fun and i get a good workout as i have a spotter, though they are starting to become gym fanatics o.O | |
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Posted: 6/1/2012 5:24:08 AM | to be a bit relevant again, my friend had this routine of doing on season and off season training, even though he doesn't compete in anything.
He would cut out as much carbs as he could on season and he'd loseweight so fast (6 weeks) and lose 1 1/2 stones conversion to kg not sure but around 8-11?. I find that drastically dangerous idk how the body copes. but yes it does work. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2012 11:19:58 AM | The average human body has no need for dietary carbohydrate. Gluconeogenesis. If you don't know what that is, then you shouldn't be making assertions that are patently false.
Few people advocate an all protein diet. There are 'zero carb' people out there, many of whom do just fine. Most 'low carbers' though still have carbs, they just prefer to get them from low carb veggies- the ones that tend to be the healthiest and offer the most nutritional benefit with the least amount of calories. The ample research that 'high protein diets' cause kidney damage is a diet that is higher than 30% protein, and neither South Beach nor Atkins advocate higher than 30% protein. (Atkins is in fact a high fat, moderate protein and low carb diet over all.)
Cutting out carbs and dropping quick weight isn't dangerous. You're simply depleting your glycogen stores, and glycogen and water snuggle up- so you lose glycogen, you lose water weight, and a lot of bloat.
Some people do better with more carbs less animal protein, some do better with more animal, less carb. It is NOT excess fat in the diet or on the body that causes diabetes- it is excess carbohydrate intake causing repeated surges of insulin. If your genetics are predisposed to diabetes (such as mine) a low carb diet is your best bet, and there is NOTHING unhealthy about it if done properly with a variety of vegetables. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2012 2:32:00 PM | Sorry if your referring to me Bella and i said anything obviously false, i only pass on what my colleagues tell me or fitness instructors and i can't expect them to be wrong o.O, anyway i shoulda said IMO or to my knowledge or not posted at all, haha i actually came to this section to learn something and you helped! So thank you :P.
As I said I only train to have fun, its been a daily part of my life. I take no interest in knowing the "shortcuts" to change muscle tone or bodyfat. I just wouldn't mind being a little chubbier.
I've heard of atkins diet and the rest but that is the furthest it goes, I don't plan to try it so wouldn't go research into it. And thanks for clearing the myth that switching to cutting out carbs from diet can affect your health, I heard from many people that it can leave the person feeling exhausted after some stage even if they aren't frequently working out.
Diabetes part, I can't care too much if im going to get it, i'll get it. My diet is terribly unbalanced and i'm not fussed and am too stubborn to change it.
Thanks for your input, made me learn a little more today! :)
Oh yeah and have a good weekend! :)) | |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:13:47 AM | I've tried the all protein diet..
Only 25-100 grams of carbs a day
6 meals a day consisting of
15-30 grams of protein and green leafy veggies..
Spinach kale broccoli etc
And got to 4 percent body fat.
But I don't recommend it unless your competing
For a show or something.
Much healthier to have a balanced diet. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 7:52:43 PM | Does anyone see where going on an all protein diet could be beneficial. you depriving your body of numerous things such as vitamins and anti-oxidants and carbohydrates and fats.
It would be fairly difficult to replicate an all protein diet gathering food in real life.The natives in Canada ate mostly meat with fats of course,fish,berries and such in the summer.The Voyageurs ate pemmican,meat with fat and peas or berries.So those would be quite low in carbs.And they were burning a lot of calories.
Could somebody really consider an all carb diet? | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 12:30:27 PM | get and read
The 4 Hour Body
from Tim Ferris
foods:
eggs, chicken, beef, fish, pork,
lentils, black beans, pinto beans, red beans, soy beans,
spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, peas, green beans.
(No bread, flour, sugar, potatoes. For the most part NO white carbohydrates)
One cheat day per week.
No need to count calories, or anything else.
Just stick to above foods.
You can drop weight without getting hungry or tired.
then you can re-adjust your diet when you achieve your goal.
If you can't drop the fat on this plan, you're hot human. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 1:07:47 AM | | If you really want to loose weight and go on a real diet. Just eat plant based foods and replace your milk with almond milk for protein drink tons of water and juices. I eat 2 big meals a day and snack the rest of the time between. Usually on some sun chips for fiber or grapes banannas. Im also allergic to dairy so that actually really helps me loose a lot of weight because all dairy is, is fat. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:05:12 PM | | Time Ferris is a moron but a great marketing genius. Anyone who claims to have gained 34 lbs of muscle in 28 days from just 4 hrs of work is a complete 1000% idiot and those who believe that stuff are even worse. Not even of a heavy cycle of testosterone are you going to add that much muscle. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:36:02 PM |
. Anyone who claims to have gained 34 lbs of muscle in 28 days from just 4 hrs of work is a complete 1000% idiot and those who believe that stuff are even worse. Not even of a heavy cycle of testosterone are you going to add that much muscle.
^^^^^^^^^OMG Someone is a liaaaaaaaaaaar
Gaining weight in muscle only is one of the hardest things I have ever tried to do.
It's been months and after initially losing and seeing and feeling more muscle and but always down a bit on the scale..I finally gained about pound of pure muscle..maybe a pound and a half.
6 hours or more a week of various types of training all muscles from my feet to my neck.
Mainly legs, arms and core.
Eating every few hours except when I sleep.
Def Bullshyte there. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 3:02:30 PM |
If you really want to loose weight and go on a real diet. Just eat plant based foods and replace your milk with almond milk for protein drink tons of water and juices. I eat 2 big meals a day and snack the rest of the time between. Usually on some sun chips for fiber or grapes banannas. Im also allergic to dairy so that actually really helps me loose a lot of weight because all dairy is, is fat.
Good luck with benching 300 at 185 pounds on your vegetarian diet.What happens when you can't snack all the time? | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 3:59:18 PM | | I can snack all the time. Its not hard to carry some almonds in your bag. Why do people think the only way to gain muscle is eat meat. When meat is the cause of 78% of the deaths in america. I mean it is a great way to gain some fat and muscle quick but its not healthy at all. Im allergic to dairy, glutton, and dyes in meat. I stay away from meat. I have no problem gaining muscle or fat. Infact I weighed 150-55 benching 215 ill probably be treading 290 at 185 and bouncing 185-90 and barely pushing 295. I am happy with that. Do the math. you should be able to bench atleast 100 more lbs then you weigh if you work out. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 4:13:37 PM |
Do the math. you should be able to bench atleast 100 more lbs then you weigh if you work out.
What is your squat? | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 5:03:21 PM | | I have never really been good at squat mostly because my upper body builds muscle a whole lot quicker. but my squat is 300. I am what you call light footed lol. I had a friend that was half the size of me who could squat 400 but couldnt bench at all. But hes a pro snow boarder now. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 7:56:06 PM |
I have never really been good at squat mostly because my upper body builds muscle a whole lot quicker. but my squat is 300. I am what you call light footed lol. I had a friend that was half the size of me who could squat 400 but couldnt bench at all. But hes a pro snow boarder now
So this guy was half your size when you were heavier? | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 9:09:32 PM | | Think we weighed close to the same. This was back in high school. But ya he was only like 5ft 5 im 5ft 11. I was also way skinnier back in high school. Like 140 I could only bench 175 but could power clean 185, and I never worked out really back then sept for running 6miles and skateboarding tons. | |
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