| | Reality show on Mars?Page 1 of 1 | Has anyone seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoEEGySGm4
Basically the plan is to send people to Mars, permanently. They plan to pay for it by having a reality show all about it.
What do you think?
Would you go?
Will it happen? | |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 2:24:31 PM | That's pretty amazing. I'd seen it discussed about 5 years ago, with reference to the problem of an atmosphere. Mars' atmosphere is much less dense than Earth's, and also the Martian surface gravity is just over a third that of Earth's. Also, the planet has very low oxygen and water vapour levels in the atmosphere, which aside from making breathing difficult, also means it's likely you'll get pretty messed up from solar radiation.
Sounds a good idea but not so sure whether I'd support it. I think the human race probably doesn't deserve a second try, unless the population we wish to set up has no knowledge of our own civilisations or customs. Pangenesis is often argued as an extrapolation of Darwinian thought, the idea of setting up colonies in space to ensure the survival of the human race is interesting at first, but it's also true that humans no longer obey natural selection, evloutionary theory no longer really applies to us, and, most simply, we're at a point where independent governance has cohered into exploitation, war, religion (form of control), hereditary rule, caste systems, denial of passage from country to country, so and so forth. Seems a great idea, but if it's going to be done at all it has to be done right.
There was a documentary a few years back which discussed the feasibility of setting up "pollutant" factories on Mars, which would essentially fill the atmosphere with what we call "greenhouse gases" on Earth, as well as gases and ions which would help shield the surface from solar radiation. In essence, the planet raises surface temperature enough that the polar ice would melt, the planet can support plants which would in turn respirate the massive CO2 levels and convert it to oxygen, making the planet "habitable" by humans. All this in 80 years I think it claimed. The problem of gravitational accelaration would still exist, but hey, what world's perfect?
I'll be amazed if anyone reads this. Thanks for the rant! :-) | |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 7:23:31 PM | Well, there's already some suggestions put forward (by some pretty serious people) that say there are already people on Mars. The biggest change in people's mentality's regarding life (already) being on other planets RIGHT HERE IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM is to at least PONDER the idea of the hollow earth theory being real.
The hollow earth theory has some pretty good, scientific and PHYSICAL explanations behind it and (on the most basic level) just suggest that, not only the earth, but PLANETS IN GENERAL may not form precisely how we've been taught --- and instead --- form more like doughnuts with internal openings...
IF this is how planets form, I'd bet my bottom dollar that there are (at least) lower level life forms within the interior of planets RIGHT HERE in our solar system, Mars included, reality TV shows aside... | |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 7:38:50 PM | I'll be amazed if anyone reads this.
Be amazed... be very amazed. You make some good points.
I'm not sure why it has to be one-way. All we need are a few aldrin cyclers and we've got a regular shuttle service back and forth. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 11:18:46 AM |
I'm not sure why it has to be one-way.
I'd assume that if they started it up as a one way trip and it lasted long enough, they'd start making it 2 way to cash in on tourism money and such. Of course if people lose interest then the folks out there are stuck. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 8:25:14 PM | Problem i forsee is that once the people are on the planet there has to be a governing system, if they go mental and have a brawl or worse its not like we can just go arrest them. More to the point, after a week or two of watching them fulfill the same mundane tasks that will be their life i can see people not wanting to watch it, that is unless they decide to make it like the programme big brother and have "tasks" and sh1t, but i cant see that really happening either. The life up there will be pretty damn boring for at least a hundred years if they were to try terraforming the planet.
Cant see it working honestly | |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 11:05:15 PM | Problem i forsee is that once the people are on the planet there has to be a governing system, if they go mental and have a brawl or worse its not like we can just go arrest them.
This is an interesting issue, not just for space colonies but for our progress towards a free society here on earth.
Even though it would initially be a small group, you could still set up a small capitalist society where credits are earned for work and are spent on food, entertainment etc. Once you have a small capitalist society you can have all sorts of market-based mechanisms to solve the problem, such as voluntary contracts between members where others insure you against any aggression from any of the others. Not only would they have an incentive to endeavour to keep each other sane and to jump in to your defence should the need arise, but the offender would find their insurance premiums increased as a result of their actions.
I probably haven't explained it well, but there are plenty of alternatives to governments based on coercion and violence. Try this video from about 09:50... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-5Lbpk_3Y&feature=watch_response | |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 12:28:53 AM | | That'd sound cute a cool, previous poster, if there weren't already people there (which there might be)... | |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 11:16:43 AM | I've never heard of the hollow planet theory, I'll look it up, but scientifically speaking, gravitational attraction doesn't work on a hollow body, assuming a proto-planetary disk. Sounds an insane idea, but then 't Hooft is backing this shit up.
And who says there has to be a capitalist society set up, or any sort of governance? This is why I'm not keen on the idea, I just don't think humans can do it - not with the best of intentions or the best rationale. As a species we're greedy, violent, destructive, exploiting, philandering, and a whole other dictionary of slurs. It's a horrible race to befall any planet. We're on our way to ruining the Earth and all anyone gives a crap about is money - how they can earn more, at the expense of the planet, the people and the environment. There's already a treaty signed (UN?), decreeing the prohibition of propagating any form of life outwith Earth or a contained vessel constructed thereof.
Can any of you really say this a good idea in all honesty? Especially in the guise of a reality TV show ? | |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 5:13:02 PM | | Will Bear Grylls be the host? I'll watch if it has nudity. Nothing quite like watching people makin' hot sweaty monkey love on the red soil of Mars while they're trying to get enough air to breathe. They'll probably make the show Pay-Per-View or OnDemand so they can charge more ... but since the people on Mars are never coming back, they can get away with never paying them. It's not like they'll show up at the office one day demanding back pay. Hmm. Come to think of it, they won't need money on Mars, will they? ... unless there's an old Pepsi machine left behind by the 'Martians' ... or a pinball machine. This might be the ultimate 'Truman' show ... or 'Big Brother'. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 4:58:53 AM |
Come to think of it, they won't need money on Mars, will they?
Ok, well obviously it isn't essential to have money when there's just a few of them and they have their asses wiped by ships coming from earth (it would solve the 'no policemen in space' problem that was put forward though). Once you get beyond a tiny group and move towards a proper self-sufficient colony then thats another story.
And who says there has to be a capitalist society set up, or any sort of governance?
You need money-prices for the rational allocation of scarce resources. I'm suggesting voluntaryism as the best solution, where you can have a truly free market without government. Government is obviously immoral and counter-productive, so anarcho-capitalism looks worth a shot to me. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 5:34:08 AM | Sounds like a cunning plan but why Mars?
Why not start with something simpler like the moon? Yeah, I know the chemistry/gravity aspect is slightly different but in either case they'd have to create an enclosed, functioning biosphere before any terraforming could take place.
Maybe practice on the moon first before shooting for Mars  | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 1:59:39 PM | Its already been done in the UK. Space Cadets in 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_%28television_hoax%29 | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 5:22:39 PM | | Reality show freaks on Mars? Sounds like those people from Total Recall! | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 7:22:17 PM | In reply to deamito52
And who says there has to be a capitalist society set up, or any sort of governance? This is why I'm not keen on the idea, I just don't think humans can do it - not with the best of intentions or the best rationale. As a species we're greedy, violent, destructive, exploiting, philandering, and a whole other dictionary of slurs. It's a horrible race to befall any planet. We're on our way to ruining the Earth and all anyone gives a crap about is money - how they can earn more, at the expense of the planet, the people and the environment. There's already a treaty signed (UN?), decreeing the prohibition of propagating any form of life outwith Earth or a contained vessel constructed thereof.
Can any of you really say this a good idea in all honesty? Especially in the guise of a reality TV show ?
Not all of us are out for monetary gain, I would gladly work for no money as long as my needs and a reasonable amount of my wants are provided in return. All too often the things we want could easily be paid for by work we are capable of doing for the people whom produce or own those things. But such a system is hard to maintain unless everyone feels the same way, because as we've seen some people have no qualm with charging ridiculous costs for things which require very little work or effort to produce. Removing that greed for money and the equivalence to it would be a hard road indeed but starting fresh on another planet with similarly minded people would go a long way towards that end.
It's of my opinion that should such a society arise, which allows people to do what to really want to as work and provides the kind of training they need to get into those roles as early as possible. They would rapidly advance at a rate in which the money craving world we have here on Earth has never seen before.
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On topic. I really don't like the idea of a reality show fueling such a mission. As we've seen with the ISS, that stuff only makes it to the public eye when it involves disaster, honorable mention, or some glorified micro-celebrity. Most of the other stuff had to be hunted down online (which thanks to youtube become easier). Did you know the ISS has regular broadcast on their youtube channel, I sure didn't until I stumbled upon it entirely at random? | |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 5:47:25 AM | | I say we send all the annoying reality show & media whores to Mars and then conveniently forget to pack the cameras. The Kardashians, Snooky & The Jersey Shore gang, Lindsay Lohan - I say they all get a seat on the first shuttle out of here. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:17:23 AM | ...but it's also true that humans no longer obey natural selection, evloutionary theory no longer really applies to us...
This may be true for you but for those of us having sex, it is a total crock.
As for reality TV, this annoying fad will be long over before any vessel could hope to reach Mars. Snooki in space...yeah, right. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 4:46:58 PM | | would be akin to an extension of the bioshpere project (they had their share of interpersonal drama, though that may not be published info) | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 7:18:41 AM | | I had a professor in college who claimed to be Martian. Also claimed that all the planets in the solar system were inhabited. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 1:53:47 PM |
I had a professor in college who claimed to be Martian.
A Martian is someone from Mars. If this show ever takes off, we might actually witness the birth of the first Martian. Wouldn't that be something?
Also claimed that all the planets in the solar system were inhabited.
If you go to even the most extreme parts of earth you'll find some form of life in its natural habitat. It stands to reason that there might be life on other planets as well. Don't expect there to be little green men, but some bacteria and some single celled organisms might be found.
Last year, scientist actually found hundreds of never before seen species... guess where?
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-07/belly-button-bacteria-study-yields-hundreds-new-species | |
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