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| | The Jerry Sandusky TrialPage 1 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | | Little old Bellefonte, PA, county seat of Centre County, is in the limelight with the Sandusky child sex crimes trial that started today. On the TV news they showed Jerry and his lawyer pulling up to park in front of the courthouse and they were laughing and smiling like they hadn't a care in the world. From what I've seen and heard, Jerry Sandusky is in complete denial that he ever did anything wrong, and seems bewildered by all the goings-on around him. Can someone really be that sick - to not have a clue about the wrongness of his behavior with these vulnerable children? | |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 6:31:21 PM | I agree, but the smiling and laughing is all a biproduct of the society that allowed him to continue abusing children.
In my opinion he honestly thinks that he is beyond reproach. He was permitted to continue, despite having been reported to his superiors...
Any culture of obsession (religion, sports, hollywood etc) excuses the shortcomings of its idols, it's denial....
I find it disgusting, but not surprising. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 7:10:25 PM | They need to stop using weasel words like "Child Molestation" and call this what it was, "Child RAPE".
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This!
I've been following this in another forum. Sandusky is guilty with a 'G' IMO
Hope his life ends with the words "ow, ow, ow" | |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 7:42:49 PM | Now I know why I don't read the paper or listen to the news.
That is aweful! | |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 7:56:04 PM | | He knows full well what he's done, and he knew it while he was doing it. He's not sick, as in doesn't understand, he's sick as in having sexual thoughts about children and carrying through with rapes and attacks. No one cared, they let it happen, a lot more people need to be sitting up there getting nailed than just this sewer scum. And the penalty for child abuse should be death, all rapist should get the death penalty. He laughs because he got away with it so long that he thinks he's safe. He always had a choice, now he should have to pay for every second he took from those young boys. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 8:06:27 PM | | High profile people that are involved with sports rarely think they do anything wrong and think they are above the law and play victim. If people didn't put them on pedestals and blame the deed done, and take out the fact they are famous, then there would be fair trials. I would bet he walks with probation. | |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 11:16:35 PM | From what I've seen and heard, Jerry Sandusky is in complete denial that he ever did anything wrong, and seems bewildered by all the goings-on around him. Can someone really be that sick - to not have a clue about the wrongness of his behavior with these vulnerable children? I think it's a combination of sickness and arrogance. The people around him for years and years essentially condoned what he was doing by looking the other way, which probably helps him to believe he didn't really do anything wrong. What a pathetic creep he is.
They need to stop using weasel words like "Child Molestation" and call this what it was, "Child RAPE".
And Sandusky needs to be thrown UNDER the jail. It's sad that Paterno died and can't share a cage with Sandusky. Agree completely. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 4:17:22 AM | I have a sick tale to tell that unfortunately is similar to this case.
Back in the early 1990's I dated a girl that was the sister of my best friends wife. My best friends wife had been raped by her step father and went to jail (ironically to bellfonte prison) for multiple convictions of child molestation. I remember going to a party but I wasn't sure what the party was for.
The party wound up being for this rapist getting out of prison. Since he was a business owner he was welcomed back into the community with open arms. The guy smiled and held his head up high. He had absolutely no remorse and did not feel that he did anything wrong. I was sick when I realized why we were there and my friend had to be driven home by me because he wanted to knock this guys head off for doing what he did to my friends wife years before (she was 10 when he raped her).
Personally I wouldn't be suprised if Sandusky gets off and walks free. That area is so partial to local celebrities and such a old boys club its almost unbelievable.
Most sexual preditors are only sorry that they got caught and would do it again in a heartbeat if they think they could get away with it. They actually feel indignant that society makes them stop doing what brings them happiness. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 5:16:20 AM | since i live in bellefonte, about 1/2 mile from the courthouse, i can see firsthand what this
nightmare has done to the community.
That area is so partial to local celebrities and such a old boys club its almost unbelievable.
actually, we (the community) feel total disgust. we want to see justice carried out. and we find it offensive when
people paint us all with the same brush. he hurt us all. we have a tight-knit community here. when you hurt one
child, you hurt us all.
unless one lives here and experiences the pain and anger sandusky's actions have created, please refrain from including all of us in allegations of cronyism. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:05:49 AM | Actually truth be told.....
if we were to line up the people directly responsible for having knowledge of Sandusky's behavior and not doing anything about it against the people of the community, you would clearly see why it's unfair to point fingers so to speak.
Fair would be to say.. 'those who did nothing, Sandusky's supporters orthe "I see nothing, hear nothing, speak nothing" folks. Whatever you may label them as but it is unfair to blame the community.
Juniper.. I'm sorry. Hope your hometown gets its justice! | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:40:33 AM | From what little I know about this, there were a very few core people in that organization who knew the truth, and purposely hid it from the rest of the community. There is no evidence at all that anyone outside that group, even heard any allegations of wrongdoing, before now.
Thus it would be the same as blaming me, and my neighbors, for Nixon pulling off the whole Watergate mess a while back.
At this point, I respectfully suggest that we ALL wait for the trial to actually be held, before knotting ropes and forming vigilante committees. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:02:01 AM | Juniper, I see your point, but it cannot be denied that the "Community" turned a blind eye to the cries and allegations of children being raped at Penn State by a monster. Cries that were ignored for money and prestige, because to deal with those cries would mean losing football championships, and millions of dollars in income.
In effect, the "Community" (Yes, I understand it's not you personally), SOLD those childrens innocence into horror for 30 pieces of silver.
Sandusky may have been the pne that did the deeds, but there are many people who raped these children.
He went for the boys that did not have their fathers in the picture. Some of these boys had husbandless struggling single mothers. I don't doubt some of these boys families were dysfunctional long before Sandusky came into the picture. This is a sad story that was told so many times before ... why would a mother send their 13 year old son to a grown man's house alone if there are no children there? | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:11:40 AM |
The Jerry Sandusky Trial
Ah the morbid curiosity of people.
Someone does something wrong and now we all must discuss it and give the criminal some attention.
True Crime
Jul 31, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
The roots of an American obsession.
...Fiction, better than reality, gives us heroes who can't let us down, who cannot be arrested, convicted, or vilified. Maybe these stories won't be able to resolve our dilemmas in the real world, but they can offer escape through a fantasy where even a common everyday Joe (or Jane) can be saved.
This salvation has always been our goal. Forgiveness for our sinful desires and secret trysts, for our failures and broken commandments, for our weakness beside the machine that covers the world with its cold, gray shadow.
This is why we have TV psychologists and mother substitutes, confessionals and paparazzi. On the one hand we're looking for deliverance, and on the other we seek to show how even the rich and famous are flawed.
We need forgiveness and someone to blame. So the story of crime fills our TVs, theaters, cinemas, computer files, and bookshelves. We are fascinated with stories of crime, real or imagined, because we need them to cleanse the modern world from our souls.
Read more at: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/07/31/true-crime.html | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 3:26:12 PM |
They need to stop using weasel words like "Child Molestation" and call this what it was, "Child RAPE"
Spot on.
It never ceases to amaze and sadden me that while we claim to be a nation that loves and protects children, we exhibit so little care about their well-being. For decades, women who were raped were as much on trial as were the rapists. Now, we sugar-coat the rape of children by calling it "molestation." | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 6:20:33 PM |
why would a mother send their 13 year old son to a grown man's house alone if there are no children there?
I really, REALLY hope you are not blaming the victims there. But that's what it sounds like.
If a struggling single mom has been fortunate enough to have her child get involved in an organization such as Second Mile which purported to be set up to assist disadvantaged children, and her child was invited by the founder of that organization to attend activities and special events, and that founder SEEMED to act like a "father figure" to her son...why would she automatically have been suspicious?
Sandusky preyed on young boys for YEARS and yet nobody knew about it until recently. Those boys were too ashamed to tell anyone during the timeframe when each of them was being molested. How on earth would their mothers know? You have no idea of the former stature of this man in that community. One of the victims who testified said that his own counselor wouldn't even believe him, and that counselor was trained to spot the signs of abuse.
Today the Freeh investigation announced that the three PSU honchos who covered everything up did it because they thought it would be "more humane" to cover up Sandusky's crimes than to deal with them. Apparently being concerned for the children wasn't humane - it wasn't even on their radar screen. MY version of being "humane" to Jerry Sandusky would have involved rope, a baseball bat, a dull, rusty knife and a pair of steel-toed work boots on my feet... | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 6:51:27 PM | why would a mother send their 13 year old son to a grown man's house alone if there are no children there?
I really, REALLY hope you are not blaming the victims there. But that's what it sounds like.
If a struggling single mom has been fortunate enough to have her child get involved in an organization such as Second Mile which purported to be set up to assist disadvantaged children, and her child was invited by the founder of that organization to attend activities and special events, and that founder SEEMED to act like a "father figure" to her son...why would she automatically have been suspicious?
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Not only was he a father figure but is a father himself. Grandfather in fact.
Would you not easily assume to trust a married man with children and grandchildren living a nice home?
Easy to assume isn't it? | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:48:43 PM | I really, REALLY hope you are not blaming the victims there. I don't think it is the fault of the parents because people do make judgments that seem reasonable. A family man presiding over an organization meant to mentor young people, a priest or minister, a teacher, a coach, a boy scout troup leader--all of these people we used to trust implicitly thinking they were wholesome people who just liked kids. Nowadays we have to realize that has never been wholey true, that there have been those among the ranks of such good people, those who are predators. So, now that these things are coming to light, parents do need to become more vigilant. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 11:55:42 PM | | My thoughts and prayers are with the young men having to testify to their ordeal in court-incredible courage! | |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 2:10:07 AM |
Can someone really be that sick - to not have a clue about the wrongness of his behavior with these vulnerable children?
I think you're looking at this from the wrong angle.
If someone has sexually abused minors, they must by default have a set of cognitive dissonances in order to be able to perpetrate these inhumanities.
Its not about having no clue as to the wrongness of their actions, its a long process of rationalising and justifying their actions. If they had no clue as to the wrongness, they would behave totally openly. The sneakiness and manipulation provides evidence that the perpetrator knows its wrong...and there's no hiding from that.
As for accountability of others, a counselor who doesn't "believe" and dismisses allegations from a child is instantly negligent. It is not a counselors place to make prejudiced assumptions, its a counselors place to act upon information of this nature so it can be dealt with by formal investigation. Regardless of whether an accused turns out to be guilty, or not, a counselor who behaves thus must be investigated for negligence. Its an issue of an abuse of power in its own right.
I've only read a small amount on the internet, but there appears to be another coach who witnessed Sandusky with a boy in the shower. He was embarrassed and ran away. We need to tackle people's understanding and reactions to sexual abuse. Very often upon discovery, or allegations, people are embarrassed as if child rape is a private sexual matter, rather than it being perceived as an issue of power and control actioned by emotional, physical and sexual violence. Had this witness walked in upon Sandusky kicking the living daylights out of this kid, he would, I have no doubt, intervened to protect this child. He ran away and left this child vulnerable to further attack because he was embarrassed and didn't know how to deal with it.
Sexual abuse is not sex, its extreme violence and torture.
We all leave our children with people we trust, but fingers of blame only get pointed when something happens. Then everyone says, the mothers should have known. Yes, the mothers should have known, but for as long as paedophilia is brushed under the carpet as embarrassing, paranoid, rude, private, or whatever, then people will lack the knowledge of how to pick up on the information they need to protect their children. It is society's responsibility as a whole to make sure that mothers have the information that they need to protect their children. One piece of information would be to not to let your kids stay over at somebody's house when their contact would normally be restricted to a professional setting. How the feck did this man get away with doing this from a professional point of view? How did no one pick up on this transgression of professionalism?
I see it time and time again on these forums when I point out unacceptable behaviour and get told time and time again, I'm paranoid, I'm fearful, I'm stupid, I'm damaged, I'm wrong.
People don't want to see. Its an uncomfortable inconvenience.
But if we don't investigate our own cognitions an behaviours with regards to issues of abuse and our own personal impact upon society as a whole, we're allowing it to happen and therefore culpable. Each and every one of us. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 5:58:46 AM |
actually, we (the community) feel total disgust. we want to see justice carried out. and we find it offensive when
people paint us all with the same brush. he hurt us all. we have a tight-knit community here. when you hurt one
child, you hurt us all.
unless one lives here and experiences the pain and anger sandusky's actions have created, please refrain from including all of us in allegations of cronyism.
I certainly don't condemn and ENTIRE community, but you must admit that the "cronyism" extends a lot farther many people in the community are willing to admit to. Some of this is understandable. No one wants to believe that they were dupped by any of these guys. I'm sure that even "casual friends" find it difficult to accept that they were not savvy enough to recognize the bad character of those who covered this scandal up for over a decade. The neighbors of these men (Sandusky AND those who covered for him) are probably trembling right now and feeling both shame...and as you said...disgust, when thinking about every having any respect for these evil men. The atmosphere reeks of a definite lack of concern for children, in lieu of "protecting" the reputation of the college.
I can easily "see" these guys brushing this off for what THEY considered a "greater good"....a schools "reputation". And....they were more than willing to sacrifice 14 (or more) young men to maintain that false illusion of respectability.
I guess that yesterday Mike McQueary stated that he BELIEVED the one guy (can't recall names) to actually function as "the police" for the campus. I think that his "belief" was a valid one.
Once, working in a "unionized shop", I came face to face with the term "direct order" which I'd never even heard of before. My foreman TOLD me to do something, and when I did it, some equipment was damaged. Little did I know at the time that the bigger issue was not damaged equipment, but that my safety had been seriously at risk. When I was questioned about the incident, I was asked whether I had been given a "direct order". After explaining that I didn't have a clue what a "direct order"was but that I had always assumed that ANY order given me by a supervisor was expected to be carried out, I had effectively given the foreman a legal defense for his irresponsible supervision.
I think that McQueary did the "right thing" in following the chain of command. IF he had confronted Sandusky and "punched him out"...McQueary would no doubt have been fired (10 yrs ago) and would not now be a credible witness. I'm sure that he struggles with his own ethical standards...as was reported while he was on the stand yesterday...but in the end, I believe he was a "victim" himself of youth, naivety, and trust and confidence in a "broke system" which puts the illusion (of respect) above the safety of children.
That the "community" has supported allowing one of these college officials to simply "retire" and is not holding others accountable in the "cover up" is appalling, but not necessarily "criminal". Where the line is drawn between criminal behavior and unethical behavior....is for the Grand Jury to decide.
Rather than meekly stating that "it's hurt all of us", folks in this community should be even more vocal and pro-active in shunning those who engage in these kinds of unethical behavior.....sending a message to the world that you're (the community) NOT just closing your eyes and hoping that it all just goes away. I realize that it's much easier for those of us who live 400 miles away because we've never laid eyes on any of these men...or the victims. To be sure however the "scandal" can no longer be "contained at the top" and it's unreasonable to believe that over the course of 15 years there aren't a LOT more people who simply turned a blind eye to it.
Thinking that this is the ONLY community with such evil and corruption in is simply living in LaLaLand. The only reason a thousand other communities aren't in the middle of a mess like this is because the corrupution just hasn't hit the newspapers.....YET. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:14:53 AM |
I think that McQueary did the "right thing" in following the chain of command. IF he had confronted Sandusky and "punched him out"...McQueary would no doubt have been fired (10 yrs ago) and would not now be a credible witness.
There is no defense for McQueary. If he had done the right thing and STOPPED the sexual assault that he witnessed - WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING - there would be no NEED for him to be a witness.....10 years later...after more children were raped. He could have saved that child, brought him directly to the authorities, had Sandusky arrested that night, and ended this entire abomination. Getting fired? Yes, let multiple children be raped instead.
Give me a break. Your argument is bizarre. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 11:12:15 AM |
STOPPED the sexual assault that he witnessed - WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING - there would be no NEED for him to be a witness.....10 years later ACCORDING to his (McQueary's) testimony yesterday.....there was NOTHING to "break up" AFTER Sandusky realized McQueary's presence. And since the "attack" HAD stopped the moment Sandusky knew he was being watched, then pounding the guy would have been "vigilantism", and NOT interceeding to prevent a crime....which had already occurred and had, albeit only 2 seconds before....stopped. Perhaps YOUR crystal ball has shown you that McQueary's testimony yesterday was a lies, but for us mere mortals, we have to rely on what eyewitness testimony is offered at FACE VALUE.
He could have saved that child, brought him directly to the authorities, had Sandusky arrested that night, and ended this entire abomination. Getting fired? Yes, let multiple children be raped instead.
Give me a break. Your argument is bizarre. Very simplistic thinking, but things don't operate like that in the REAL world. The vast majority of sexually abused children do NOT tell anyone....at least not right away. The "power" that the abuser holds over them IS....that "no one will believe you".....and even if they do.....look at the embarassing situation they will put THEMSELVES in. (the victim).
My argument is NOT "bizzare", what IS in fact bizzare IS the society in which we all live. Personally, I'm with you! I would have beat Sandusky to a bloody pulp, and not cared what the consequences were, but I seriously doubt that my indignation would have held up against Sandusky's standing in the "Good Ole Boy" environment, where ALL he had to do was accuse "me" of making it up for some reason. IF you think that the young boy would have corroberated my side of the story....highly doubtful. He would have been much more likely to NOT rock the boat in which Sandusky was "Captain" and McQueary was nothing but a lowly deck hand.
We don''t have to like Abnormal Psychology, but there are certainly plenty of people to whom we must apply it's principles. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 11:47:26 AM | ACCORDING to his (McQueary's) testimony yesterday.....there was NOTHING to "break up" AFTER Sandusky realized McQueary's presence. And since the "attack" HAD stopped the moment Sandusky knew he was being watched, Okay, so then you take the child out of there, away from Sandusky and call the authorities, immediately. According to McQueary's testimony he saw sexual activity. Sexual activity between an adult male and a child of ten. If you saw that happening between an adult man and a female child of ten, would you just walk away from it, leaving the child with the man and NOT reporting it to the police? What McQueary did was completely wrong. Such a thing needs to be reported to the police immediately because he saw it with his own eyes. He witnessed a child being raped and he did not take immediate action. Reprehensible. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 11:47:51 AM |
ACCORDING to his (McQueary's) testimony yesterday.....there was NOTHING to "break up" AFTER Sandusky realized McQueary's presence. And since the "attack" HAD stopped the moment Sandusky knew he was being watched,
My understanding of the reports was that the man who witnessed the shower incident left the child there with his rapist because he was shocked and embarrassed and ran to his daddy for advice.
Lucky man to have a daddy to run to, to get over his shock and embarrassment. Who did the boy have to run to, to get over being anally raped?
All this talk of beating Sandusky to a pulp is about a need to distance the self from such horrific abuse. Its the "I've got a right to string 'em up because I'm a nice person unlike the perpetrator" attitude, but ultimately its the same distancing as running away to daddy and not saying anything.
The question is, why did the shower witness not remove and protect the child, rather than attend to his own comparatively minor needs?
I reiterate, he would have been unlikely to leave the child had Sandusky been beating him, rationalising that the incident had broken up, so it was okay to leave a child with his attacker.
Which bit of child rape do you not understand?
Which bit of child rape did the shower witness not understand?
Why do we find this so difficult to deal with as a society?
Why do so many children end up being punished, disbelieved, abandoned and ignored in cases of paedophilia when its so plain its they who require protection, not the paedophiles? | |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 11:58:49 AM | Lets be clear here. What McQuery saw wasn't Old Man Sandusky showering with an under age child, what he saw was Sandusky anally raping this child, and he describes it quite clearly. And instead of stopping the attack, removing the child to safety, and calling the police, McQuery RAN, HID, and then asked his Daddy what to do.
Exactly. This was an epic failure of Character that ultimately resulted in the rape of at least 2 more children.
And since the "attack" HAD stopped the moment Sandusky knew he was being watched, then pounding the guy would have been "vigilantism", and NOT interceeding to prevent a crime....which had already occurred and had, albeit only 2 seconds before....stopped.
First of all, I haven't typed a word about 'pounding' anyone. The right thing for McQ to have done was to IMMEDIATELY contact 911 and put that child under his protection - are you really naive enough to think the assault couldn't or wouldn't have continued the second McQ abandoned that child? That's a ridiculous, and dangerous assumption. "Hey, you just stop all that anal rape stuff, Coach! Heh heh, I'm gonna go get a beer now. You two play nice!"
My argument is NOT "bizzare", what IS in fact bizzare IS the society in which we all live. Personally, I'm with you! I would have beat Sandusky to a bloody pulp, and not cared what the consequences were, but I seriously doubt that my indignation would have held up against Sandusky's standing in the "Good Ole Boy" environment, where ALL he had to do was accuse "me" of making it up for some reason. IF you think that the young boy would have corroberated my side of the story....highly doubtful. He would have been much more likely to NOT rock the boat in which Sandusky was "Captain" and McQueary was nothing but a lowly deck hand.
So, you would have likewise abandoned this child to his fate because..... you MIGHT not be believed? The child MIGHT not have corroborated what you witnessed? I'm pretty sure a medical exam that night would have provided all the evidence of anal rape necessary. I'm equally sure that the professionals would be able to intuit why a 10 year old child would not want to admit he had a koch up his ass - but would credit the eyewitness testimony of an adult. We'll never know however, because McQ was a coward and lacked the Integrity to do the right thing.
I can only hope a child never has to depend on you or McQ to protect them in the future. Wouldn't want to put something as trivial as the safety of children ahead of your job.....
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