| | CALI LOVEPage 1 of 3 (1, 2, 3) | I love califronia
Its alot like the family dog
we had a lot of good times with it
we loved it the moment we saw it
but Cali is getting old and gassy
and as much as we hate to admit it
we're gonna have to put her down soon | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:00:18 AM | | Cali looks nice, then I get reminded the state has a higher population then Canada. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:15:12 AM | California...
Summertime, the place to be
California... | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 6:04:57 PM | you'd put your dog down because he was getting old and gassy?
strange. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 6:36:46 PM |
Cali looks nice, then I get reminded the state has a higher population then Canada.
that is because the weather is so much better here than canada. makes it worth dealing with the other stuff. :) | |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 1:08:23 AM | | California is the center of the universe from which all that is good and right emanates, San Francisco is the shining jewel with in it. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 1:20:34 AM | | I pretty much hate California. The majority of the people here suck,so does the way it's governed. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 8:03:31 AM | | I have lived a few other places around the US and this is the best. Nothing is perfect, but here at least I get it. lol | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 7:01:27 AM | I've been in the Bay Area for 33 years, Jenny, and I have to say that
California has seen better days. I live in Palo Alto which is an allegedly
terrific town. It isn't.
Can you imagine the downtown where Stanford University is having no
bookstore, no CD store, and no musical instrument store? Yet we have
six cellphone stores and five places to get frozen yogurt. The town is full
of high-end "foo foo" restaurants and cork sniffer joints where posers
from other zip codes can look wealthy sipping on a $13 glass of cabernet.
Prices are going up while any sense of community has become almost
nonexistent.
San Francisco has become a caricature of itself. Some districts are full of
youth cults where everyone is an "artist" while other districts are full of
people stuck in the 1960s, usually jobless, talking about how the "system"
is corrupt when, in fact, THEY are corrupt.
The interior of the state which once had many quaint towns is now full of
Big Box stores (like Walmart) and full of property crime driven by phenomena
like the I-5 meth invasion. Towns like Tracy and Manteca are as sterile as a
nurse's needle ... with all due respect to residents of those towns ... I only use
them as examples. I could list dozens of others. There used to be compensations
for putting up with the Winter tule fogs. I don't see it any more.
Cali is a high tax, high-cost-of-living state that is living on its laurels. That's why
I expect businesses and individuals to start "leaking" out of the state. Small biz
owners are being shaken down by the Franchise Tax Board like there's no
tomorrow because the state is bankrupt and is trying to kick the dog that it CAN
kick. What a shame. This place used to be Shangri-La. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 10:57:41 AM | | Cali is not the only place suffering this...it's commercialization of the whole country that's being driven by corporation...as cliched as that sounds, there's hardly a unique place left in the US. If you think it's bad here, go to one of the southern states and you'll rethink you position pretty quick. The whole country is crooked and profit driven, and everyone is living a hangover. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 11:04:41 AM | ^^^^Thanks Eluethero for your detailed comment. It is sad and frustrating to see a city or your whole state go downhill when it could have been prevented.
When I first moved to my inland area of Temecula/Murrieta 26 yrs. ago, they were approx 12,000 people in the whole valley. Then it grew quickly, I always said I should have been on the board to get things done the right way before the population got too big but I wasn't on the board and we had ignorant, shady characters instead who planned poorly, among other things.
The state has problems but this country has major problems that are changing the very foundation of what we are supposed to be. That would be going off topic to get into it here.
I will say that I was born and raised in Detroit and lived there for 24 yrs. I saw my neighborhood go from what I thought was a little piece of Heaven go to Hell. Detroit was once one of the best cities, if not the best when my parents were young. It had it's Glory Days, most jobs were tied to major industry. Although my Dad had a nice car ( built in Detroit of course) you didn't have to own a car where they lived . Trolleys ran north and south, a simple but incredibly smart thing for any city to have. I've seen videos of what it's like now and it is like a scary episode of The Twilight Zone. Too dangerous and depressing to go back to buy a house for a buck. I literally barely made it out alive 26 yrs. ago!
I loved the good people in Michigan though. There is a huge difference between what most Michiganders are like compared to most Californians. I will always miss it and thank God I grew up as a Michigan girl instead of a Californian. Sorry if anyone feels insulted , I do take each person as an individual.
I had to mention Detroit even though the thread is about California, it's because I've lived the downfall before.
Politics is no fun to follow but it's a must. I do use my voice to educate people about Obama's wrongdoings | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 11:59:00 AM | No one in business provides goods or services no one wants, at least not for long. What sort of stores and office buildings and houses a city has reflects what most people in the area want. Places can keep their local character as long as the people who live there care about it.
In California, environmental regulations on land use have tended to increase the cost of housing during the past forty years. And that in turn has tended to force development farther away from cities. When the population in a new area increases to a certain point, the demand starts to attract the chain stores and large shopping centers many people find convenient. And longer commutes tend to make one-stop shopping more attractive. State planning and zoning laws allow for some aesthetic regulation, but many cities don't seem to care much about it.
If you live where most people, if they had a large old oak tree in the yard, would cut it down and pave the area with asphalt because it saved raking up the leaves, or whose taste in garden sculpture runs to faded plastic deer and bright-colored fountains whose bowls are filled by urinating cherubs, you may want to move. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 12:59:36 PM | If you're as old as me, you may remember a popular bumper sticker from the 60's that said "You're either part of the problem or part of the solution."
I see a bunch of whiners here, so who is the problem, and who is the solution? | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 1:39:25 PM | | ^^^^ What a ridiculous statement. What do you want? My personal history of being a good citizen? I think since YOU typed that statement we should all get to know what makes you anyone's judge and what have you done? | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 6:45:06 PM | | ^^^For one, he seems to appreciate our fair state. Me too. It's bad everywhere, and it doesn't have to do with city planning, or state taxes, regulations, or whatever. It's the spendng spree we had to endure in the 2000's that's killing the state finances. And we Californians continue to contribute to all the other welfare states even as we go into debt doing it. If we got back what we put in, we would be in much better shape. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 9:57:06 PM | | ^^^^ Why do you assume he "appreciates our fair state"? In what way do you know that CA. contributes to other welfare states? Doesn't each state have some form of welfare? Why did you call states "welfare states"? I call them the United States. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 10:11:56 PM | ^^^Well, I know because he's told me how much he likes being here.
Look up the distribution of Federal Incomes Taxes. Here's the distribution table, unfortunately, I could not find one more recent than 2005, probably because the information is maddening. Below is how much each state gets back for every $1 they pay in. As you can see, Cali gets a raw deal.
State Outlay to Tax Ratio Ranking
New Mexico $2.03 (1)
Mississippi $2.02 (2)
Alaska $1.84 ( 3)
Louisiana $1.78 (4)
West Virginia $1.76 (5)
North Dakota $1.68 (6)
Alabama $1.66 (7)
South Dakota $1.53 (8)
Kentucky $1.51 (9)
Virginia $1.51 (10)
Montana $1.47 (11)
Hawaii $1.44 (12)
Maine $1.41 (13)
Arkansas $1.41 (14)
Oklahoma $1.36 (15)
South Carolina $1.35 (16)
Missouri $1.32 (17)
Maryland $1.30 (18)
Tennessee $1.27 (19)
Idaho $1.21 (20)
Arizona $1.19 (21)
Kansas $1.12 (22)
Wyoming $1.11 (23)
Iowa $1.10 (24)
Nebraska $1.10 (25)
Vermont $1.08 (26)
North Carolina $1.08 (27)
Pennsylvania $1.07 (28)
Utah $1.07 (29)
Indiana $1.05 (30)
Ohio $1.05 (31)
Georgia $1.01 (32)
Rhode Island $1.00 (33)
Florida $0.97 (34)
Texas $0.94 (35)
Oregon $0.93 (36)
Michigan $0.92 (37)
Washington $0.88 (38)
Wisconsin $0.86 (39)
Massachusetts $0.82 (40)
Colorado $0.81 (41)
New York $0.79 (42)
California $0.78 (43)
Delaware $0.77 (44)
Illinois $0.75 (45)
Minnesota $0.72 (46)
New Hampshire $0.71 (47)
Connecticut $0.69 (48)
Nevada $0.65 (49)
New Jersey $0.61 (50)
It's even worse since we pay a very high proportion of taxes, which is not even represented by this table. This is what happens when we get the same number of senators as an empty state like Montana or Wyoming, or Alaska. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 10:41:35 PM | ^^^^What I don't understand is this statement you made . Quote "And we Californians continue to contribute to all the other welfare states even as we go into debt doing it."
So if California doesn't get as much of a percentage, according to your friend ,if we complained we would be called whiners.
I would say that if illegals were treated like criminals like they are and got sent back to Mexico ( or whatever country they came from) that would mean we stop paying for them and our state would have more money.
One way the state can save money is to stop biligual studies in schools, make CA a no-fault insurance state and stop punishing us for uninsured motorists, kick Mexican prisoners out of our jails and put them in Mexican jails,etc.,etc. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 11:28:49 PM |
So if California doesn't get as much of a percentage, according to your friend ,if we complained we would be called whiners.
Like Michigan, which is also a donor state, Californians have to pony up our taxes to bail out those states who claim to hate "socalism" the loudest, while we have to do with less. Yes, if we had the political power we deserved, we could maintain all necessary social services that make this state cleaner, safer, and produce more intelligent adults without having to pay for people in other states.
There are many ways the state could save money, and there are much better ways than those you listed which are not the biggest contributor to our deficits. I can't speak for him to the reason for his comment, but I suspect that whiner is literal description for a "complainer". | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 11:41:48 PM | So stop speaking for him, you have done it twice already. Your input is welcomed, whether I agree or disagree but not for someone else.
Some complainers act on their complaints and try to get things done. Do complain to your legislators and complain to your kid's school, etc., geez, you can even complain that you don't like the class schedule at the gym. Complainers sometimes are a part of positive changes. I will never be part of the Sheeple. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 1:35:47 AM | | Jenny, goodbye, adios, bon voyage, sayonara, make like a tree and leave. Go to some crappy state, Mississippi, Alabama, North Dakota, Idaho will all welcome you, bring your own pointy hat. California doesn't need the rest of the country, the rest of the country needs California. So goes California, so goes the country, California catches a cold, the country gets pneumonia. If each state were made to stand on it's own two feet, most of them would blow away in the dust left behind, not the golden state. If I had my way, we'd extricate ourselves from the country, annex Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Nevada, you can keep Arizona. I love the United States, I just think it's being hijacked by backward, toothless, simple minded idiots who'll believe anything FOXNEWS tells them. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 1:57:25 AM | | You're nasty!! Are you a native Californian by any chance? You are certainly making an excellent example of yourself,lol. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 1:06:21 PM | | The high speed rail project is going to be astronomical in costs when CA. needs to spend it's money on other things. It's a ridiculous project, how many are going to use it? I will probably only want a one-way ticket to Vegas to gamble on the few pennies I have left, then after I lose, I'll just join the homeless. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 2:15:35 PM |
The legislature, which controls SPENDING, has been crolled by a throatlock by the far left, as have most of the counties and cities........... yet, the far left still complains and points to the right as to where the problem is. We have a governor who is pushing a boon-doggle of a high speed rail project, which will NEVER work, and will cost much more money that we don't have, illegal aliens can register to vote at the DMV, they are shutting down campingsites, when the California Campground system is the only thing that is not only self-sustaining, but makes a profit............
Oh please. Orange County was bankrupted by a Republican Treasurer even in decent times because he decided to gamble with the county's money.
It doesn't matter if the legislators are left or right....when they get exposed to big money and corruption, they are both exactly the same.
And I know you're a little ticked at Arnold, as you should be, he excused Enron and dismissed the money we were supposed to collect them for the lawsuit the state filed on those corrupting b*stards, but he too was bought and paid for. Big money knows doesn't give two cents about party lines. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 2:32:13 PM | I would say that if illegals were treated like criminals like they are and got sent back to Mexico ( or whatever country they came from) that would mean we stop paying for them and our state would have more money.
One way the state can save money is to stop biligual studies in schools, make CA a no-fault insurance state and stop punishing us for uninsured motorists, kick Mexican prisoners out of our jails and put them in Mexican jails,etc.,etc.
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LMFAO, actually lmfao. That is a stupid thing to say, Shame on you. Our state would die if all the illegals left. Smalls business's are already crashing with $3.00/hr labor. Basic American, doesn't know squat. Oh and fyi illegals are in our prison's because they make money off them. Private prisons stocks go up and down based on how many inmates are in there illegal or not. Oh let's spend more ****ing money then we already are to get them back to their country where they will either die or just come back. Here is a thought, go work on a farm for minimum wage and tell me you still want them gone. Don't be dumb, it's our spending that's the problem not people working cheap labor. You need to get your priority's straight and worry about yourself not others. | |
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