| | womens valuable vs mens valuables?Page 1 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | Mark Gungor said....
"The most important valuable thing a woman can give a man is her body.
The most valuable thing a man can surrender to a woman is his freedom"
and then he posed a question...to which I ask my forum posters to answer...if you can.
"Why do women routinely give their most valuable, without expecting his most valuable?" | |
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| womens valuable vs mens valuables?
Posted: 6/17/2012 4:06:48 PM | Because it is a selfless act.
However, I disagree with the opening premise. The most important and valuable thing that anyone can give to anyone is their love. | |
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| womens valuable vs mens valuables?
Posted: 6/17/2012 4:07:23 PM | | It's a simple answer, we have physical needs! And I agree with my buddie on top, Love is the most important thing we can all offer;) Also, I do feel sorry for women who give it away like it was a glass of water. And I don't see anything wrong with two consenting adults enjoying each other... It goes back to the physical needs we all have--IMO:) | |
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| womens valuable vs mens valuables?
Posted: 6/17/2012 4:13:51 PM | any number of reasons......
* it feels good and they know the difference between sex and love
* they are lying to themselves and really do expect to get a relationship out of giving up the goods
* they have been lied to and think they are on their way to a relationship
* they think any attention ( sex) is better than nothing
* they had a man "use" them and they now want to "use" a man
no way anyone can pick one reason a whole gender does something.......... | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 4:27:08 PM |
Mark Gungor said....
"The most important valuable thing a woman can give a man is her body.
The most valuable thing a man can surrender to a woman is his freedom" Somebody actually said that? WOW. How depressing. Everytime I think society is finally moving forward, someone says something like this. | |
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| womens valuable vs mens valuables?
Posted: 6/17/2012 4:59:55 PM | I disagree with Gungor.
I think the most valuable thing we can give a partner (either gender) is a space within a relationship to feel safe and to in turn to feel safe enough to reveal our vulnerabilities to that partner. This creates a degree of depth that is both nurturing and supportive. You just need to be willing to take the risk. That's the hard part. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 5:15:46 PM |
the most valuable thing a man can give up is his back
for he should break it slaving away to buy me fancy furniture
LMAO, apparently that isn't enough for some. Compression fracture of the t-12 vertebrae at work and she was gone 10 months later. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 5:32:00 PM | Mark Gungar is an idiot! And so are you if you think that way!
OP if you think like that you need to drop that thinking immediately! That wont help you at all! With that thinking you are already of NO VALUE. Now ask yourself this; is that true? Are you only defined by who you have and havent slept with? Come on now! GROW UP! | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 5:43:46 PM | Who is Mark Gungor?
I looked him up....
http://www.laughyourway.com/about/mark-gungor/
The title of his website is "Laugh your way to a better marriage". His bio starts out "I love to inspire people's lives with truth and humor"
Clearly that statement came from the humour category cuz it sure as hell isn't true | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 5:44:00 PM | You make an assumption that this quote is a truism, and I for one do not believe it for a minute..........it makes women seem like cattle and prostituting themselves for security!!
I say the most valuable thing either can give will be their brain power that includes their bodies, hearts, souls, and minds, and this giving can be a give and take for as long as the two of you are together. Why can we not walk side by side as equals and enjoy each other that way? Why is it that someone has to give something up in order to enjoy another?
I believe that I am worth knowing for me, and if you choose to give your body to me, I will choose to decide if I will give you my body at the same time. If you choose to give up your freedom, then that is a choice you make, and not one that I will make in order to have your body......
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Posted: 6/17/2012 5:49:21 PM | The whole premise is just a very bad way of thinking about things.
Let her keep her body and let him keep his freedom then. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 6:04:34 PM | | Who the h-ll is Mark Gungor anyways?Another philosopher/poet/deep thinker/hipster/pseudo-intellectual blowing smoke up the a.sses of the public?Geez.What an absolutely asinine premise ! | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 6:27:54 PM | | Wow guess I have given away my most valuable and have low self esteem!!!! Sorry I like sex, has nothing to do with trading it for anything, that sounds like a form of prostitution. If I meet someone and we have enough of an attraction, why should we not have sex? While this works for me, it does not work for everyone, but let's not judge people based a a physical activity. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 6:51:23 PM | This english post can be deleted for not being english? Odd..since it is english….and what is it that is non-sense? A question posed…or rather finds itself talking about a woman finding value in her body …is non-sense?
Seriously? Because it's an exchange that's inherently slanted in favor of males. Once you ``give your body,'' you can't take it back.
Yes. I know I have had this experience and it never made me feel good afterwards.
When a guy gives up his freedom, he can reclaim it any time he wants.
Yes, that is true. Hadn’t thought about it like that.
Your body isn't going to keep a man, so stop placing so much importance on it.
I disagree. My body and my sexuality is very important and whoever enters my body has to be equally important. As far as keeping a man; if we are married before we have sex then he is my husband and to him I will keep myself and expect the same in return therefore we are keeping each other.
If a woman considers her body the most valuable thing she can give me, then she shouldn't complain if objectify her. She already objectified herself
Ok just making sure I read this correctly. You believe a woman objectifies herself by believing her sexuality is the most valuable thing she can offer a man and keeping her body from other men and waiting for that guy who deserves to touch her flesh?
See I know I can offer other men my laughter, my honesty, my loyalty, my trust and my friendship; but none of those men will get my body...I value my sexuality and my body too much to give away to anyone other than the man I want to be with for the rest of my life. So, if what you say is true then, I will stand on side of the self objectifying women.
The reason women ``give their bodies'' is because lots of women have figured out that sex is fun and the exchange rate has dropped, so that women who still put their bodies on a pedastel aren't attracting a lot of bidders
Good…because I don’t want the “lot” of them. I only want one. He is the only one that matters to me.
When people have sex before commitment they tend to not stay together. I heard there have been studies which have shown there is a higher divorce rate by those who have had several sex partners before marriage than those who chose to wait and only be with the one man. There is also a higher divorce rate amongst those who had sex before they married then those who wait until they are married…even if they have had sex before or even married before. If you want to know what study that was I will look it up.. …not always and I am sure there are some here who will disagree but as a whole there are many people who give of their bodies so easily and then move on to the next and the next and the next. I don’t personally have a desire to keep a file folder on the men I have had sex with.
The reason women ``give their bodies'' is because lots of women have figured out that sex is fun and the exchange rate has dropped,
I find that sad. Sex and the misuse of our bodies is a real problem in our society today.
Mark Gungar is an idiot!
OP if you think like that you need to drop that thinking immediately! That wont help you at all! With that thinking you are already of NO VALUE. Now ask yourself this; is that true? Are you only defined by who you have and havent slept with? Come on now! GROW UP!
I find it fascinating that you have told me to grow up. Why? Because I asked a question posed by someone else?
Who is Mark Gungor?
I looked him up....
http://www.laughyourway.com/about/mark-gungor/
The title of his website is "Laugh your way to a better marriage". His bio starts out "I love to inspire people's lives with truth and humor"
Clearly that statement came from the humour category cuz it sure as hell isn't true
Why don’t you watch it before you make assumptions. He is very funny and makes a lot of sense.
“I say the most valuable thing either can give will be their brain power that includes their bodies, hearts, souls, and minds,”
Oh I agree that these are valued highly and once I know you are of a good mind, you have a solid and kind heart and your soul is good…and we are equals in our beliefs and we are a good match and you and I have committed ourselves to one another only…pledged to work through all lifes difficulties together..because those times will come and I have to trust that you will be there and you trust that I have your back…..then you can have my body…because I trust you with it.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 7:13:37 PM |
This english post can be deleted for not being english? Odd..since it is english….and what is it that is non-sense?
This thread deletion shit needs to f*cking GO already. It's been irrefutably proven that we have no shortage of idiots here. (myself included) Idiots and power should never mix. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 7:18:51 PM |
This thread deletion shit needs to f*cking GO already. It's been irrefutably proven that we have no shortage of idiots here. (myself included) Idiots and power should never mix.
That...was awesome | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 7:27:27 PM |
Mark Gungor said....
"The most important valuable thing a woman can give a man is her body.
The most valuable thing a man can surrender to a woman is his freedom"
and then he posed a question...to which I ask my forum posters to answer...if you can.
"Why do women routinely give their most valuable, without expecting his most valuable?"
Well I can only speak for myself.
After two marriages where I did give my most valuable I have no desire to do so again. I have found dating to be a much better fit for me.
Marriage is no more forever than a fake tattoo. So why bother with that?
I found this on another thread today and just had to save it.
Sorry, I don't take Major Financial Gambles, on uncertanties such as Marriage, in view of the very high American Divorce Rate, nor do I wish to allow my Lifestyle, and especially my Future, be determined by a Judge.
So when marriage again becomes a lifetime commitment then I will put it back on my list for consideration. | |
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| womens valuable vs mens valuables?
Posted: 6/17/2012 7:35:08 PM |
I find that sad. Sex and the misuse of our bodies is a real problem in our society today.
Despite what you think, what someone else does with their body is no business of yours. I highly doubt you asked the question with any intent other than rhetoric.
"The most important valuable thing a woman can give a man is her body.
This says a women has nothing more valuable then her body. It says a man wants nothing from a woman other than her body. This says for a man sex is the cornerstone of a relationship.
The most valuable thing a man can surrender to a woman is his freedom"
This says a woman traps a man in a relationship and enjoys it. This says for a man, relationships are constricting. This says women had nothing better to do before the relationship.
It's amazing how me manages to demean both women, men and the value of a relationship, not once, but twice... and in consecutive sentences.
Why don’t you watch it before you make assumptions. He is very funny and makes a lot of sense.
Why would I? I've already heard enough. How many minutes of my life would I not get back????? | |
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| womens valuable vs mens valuables?
Posted: 6/17/2012 7:45:57 PM | The most valuable thing a woman can give is her attention.
The most valuable thing a man can give is his time.
The most valuable thing either can give is their heart, in the hopes that if it is returned to them that it isn't too badly damaged from the process. You give your heart freely in hopes that it will be protected and cherished and never did anyone hope that it would be considered negligable or something to be toyed with.
A man tries for a womans attention/affection
A woman tries for time away from his other attentions/obligations
We all try for love in the end though... we don't all succeed, but how do we know if we never try? | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 7:52:00 PM | I don't know why they give that up, if they do.
My most valuable thing was my house and retirement account. Apparently I gave those up, as well as half my furniture. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 8:09:45 PM | Deb:
Somebody actually said that? WOW. How depressing. Everytime I think society is finally moving forward, someone says something like this.
What is worse is that the OP then quoted it...
This thread deletion shit needs to f*cking GO already. It's been irrefutably proven that we have no shortage of idiots here. (myself included) Idiots and power should never mix.
Agreed -- If you don't let people post threads like this, you will never get to know how messed up some folk really are.
That...was awesome
That is just the kind of Pig he is... | |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 8:31:33 PM | This question is flawed as is the premise. If the most valuable thing a woman contributes is her body. Than men would stick with prostitutes. If a mans freedom is his most valuable contribution. All women would be lesbians. This is all false incorrect and wrong.
you should reevaluate your view on realationships | |
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| womens valuable vs mens valuables?
Posted: 6/17/2012 9:24:15 PM | I have never thought of sex or intimate relations as "giving my body or myself up".
I see it as sharing intimacy & passion. There is nothing to be "given up".
And as for giving up freedom, i would rather a man want to share his life with me, devoted to me & the family unit, rather than feel he "gave up" his freedom. | |
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