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| | Paternity fraud might come to an endPage 1 of 32 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32) | In district´s court case, during a custody battle, the woman claimed a paternity test in order to prove that the man was not the father and got a ruling denying him paternity´s rights.
In a reverse turn of event, the Supreme Court of Iowa now ruled in the case Diers vs Peters, that the man can sue for paternity fraud.
While this case, in no way ruled a detriment of woman´s right to privacy (i.e to cheat) nor claim an obligation for a woman to inform her patner of having sex with other man (i.e dupping fatherhood) set the precedent for civil lawsuit against paternity fraud as deterrent for the rampant practice.
It´s about time... don´t you think? | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 5:04:20 AM | | I think this is long past due. Now guys that didn't do anything wrong can actually fight back instead of getting put on the hook. It also makes women take some responsibility for such reckless behavior. No more sleeping with multiple guys and then saying "tag your it" to the one who is the most fitting. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 7:49:20 AM | Good for him. Seems he made a horrible choice in women, maybe he will learn to be more careful. Sucks for the child because of the Moms stupidity.
However, I doubt that "most women" are out there cheating like crazy on loyal spouses & partners & riding every penis they can possibly get in over the course of each day, so if you are trying to get some "oh poor guy women are all evil monsters men reaction", look elsewhere. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 7:57:41 AM | | I think a babies parentage should be known proven prior to any financial requests. I would support DNA databanks. Far too many people milking the system when familial support is out there. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 4:09:53 PM | And your point??
Men should ask for a paternity test if there is any doubt what-so-ever.. If the paternity test proves you are not the father you are not on the hook anymore.. If you've been on the hook for a long time, then maybe you should have gotten the paternity test sooner?? You can point to anyone to be the father.. If they agree to it, that's enough.. If a women points to a man as the father and he's not.. she's on the hook to pay for the test..
It's been this way... it works..
Actually know a man who insisted on a test to prove he was the father.. man was that women mad. So it goes either way..
It does suck that you can't "recoup" what you paid.. but.. i wouldn't be surprised if that's another thing in the pipeline. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 12:39:24 AM | By your uninformed post is obviuos you know nothing about paternity fraud, dupped fathers and payments of child support for non biological children.
My point? I have a son whom I don´t want to see trapped by the unfairness of the family court sistem and I´m glad that no longer will be accepted to be financed for being a cheater. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 7:49:48 AM |
It´s about time... don´t you think?
Yup... and I think it's about time for this as well:
"New early pregnancy blood tests can accurately tell paternity
Noninvasive blood tests are now available to reliably determine paternity as early as the eighth or ninth week of pregnancy..."
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/health/120619/paternity-non-invasive-blood-test-early-pregnancy-amniocentisis-cvs
I'd like to see this become just a routine procedure when a woman is pregnant.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 8:16:49 AM | yes about time!! I agree with Carol!!
As for Jeepgirl, you dont have to read this post or even commnent on it!
I feel you dont pay child support or be a father unless DNA is provided...(out side of marriage, and in some cases during marriage)..just look at Maury Show... | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 12:18:27 PM | | To Jeepgirl...Whether either sex likes it or not, there are dishonest people of BOTH sexes out there. I have several friends who were victims of selfish, fraudulent women looking for a free ride from anyone who would be willing. It is just as despicable behavior as men who only see women as sex objects and abuse it with lies. Sex should always be a consentual agreement for each party and not something entered in for profit. Honesty, consent, responsibility are pre requisites for any freewill choice. When either side is dishonest or has only a self serving agenda, these things will come up karmically to teach either sex a lesson about honesty. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 2:48:35 PM | A child who does not know his true biological father and his mother will not reveal him as such and perpetuates that fraud places that child's health and safety at risk. A full and complete and accurate family medical history is needed to give a child the best chance at treatment in many medical situations.
I REFUSE to accept that there is any good mother f**king reason why a child's health should suffer or a child might die because a parent refuses to deal with her shame. That's a piss poor reason for a child to suffer. And it's UNACCEPTABLE. Allowing harm to come to children is taboo not just in our time and culture but in any culture throughout human history. Even hardened criminals will slaughter those known to have harmed children. It's just something we don't do and should never do as human beings, allow potential harm to come to our young for no good damn reason at all.
Every woman commits this type of fraud places her child's health and safety at potential risk. What kind of person, not just a mother or father, but what kind of human being does that? | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 3:24:14 PM | | Federal government should make it mandatory for a woman to prove the father who's name she enters on the birth certificate is in fact the father. Testing immediately at birth should be mandatory. If the woman committed fraud, the father of the baby must be identified within a specific time frame. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 3:33:20 PM | Are you talking to me??
It's simple. Ask for a paternity test. If it's shown you aren't the father then you're off the hook.
I agreed that it sucks you can get roped into it just because a woman points a finger, I also think you should be able to recoup monies paid under false pretenses. I don't respect women who knowingly falsely accuse a man of paternity.
I also have a son who I don't want to see trapped by anything negative. However if he "does the crime" He can "do the time" and he'll have to deal with it. I am teaching him to make good decision. what he does with that knowledge is not in my control.
Unless you live in canada.. the laws there are really screwy.. you can't get roped as easily into paying for non-biological kids in the states, from what I understand all you have to do is date the mother there.. Crazy!
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And how do you suggest a guy filters out these women? Does he simply ask them " Yo!! Are you a gold-diggin hoe with daddy issues and your lawyer on speed dial?"
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I just said the same thing about how a women is supposed to "choose better men" to sleep with.. ask them? are they marked? See how dumb this comment is??
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Federal government should make it mandatory for a woman to prove the father who's name she enters on the birth certificate is in fact the father. Testing immediately at birth should be mandatory. If the woman committed fraud, the father of the baby must be identified within a specific time frame.
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no they shouldn't.. they should make it mandatory if the father contests that he is the father. Otherwise this is also an insult to the man who knows it is his baby and wasted federal funds since if they make it mandatory, they will have to provide free tests to those who can't afford to pay for it. As it is a man can get one to prove or disprove paternity in any case. If you don't think you're the dad, get one early on.
Can you even enter a fathers name without him saying he's the dad? I know they asked my sons father, not me, if he was the father. but he was there.. and I don't know anyone who lied about who their babies dad is. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:01:00 PM |
no they shouldn't.. they should make it mandatory if the father contests that he is the father
^^ You are forgetting one very important concern about the father. He may be totally unsuspecting and the mother has been having an affair.
This kind of crap needs to stop and the government needs to incoporate some kind of control mechanism to protect all of those involved. Making child support laws but then ignoring paternity fraud is counter productive. Governement interjection makes both parties neutral in terms of suspicion, thus not creating a family war zone and a potential divorce situation (if married). | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 6:06:42 PM |
I agreed that it sucks you can get roped into it just because a woman points a finger, I also think you should be able to recoup monies paid under false pretenses. I don't respect women who knowingly falsely accuse a man of paternity.
So, clearly, you would have no issue having the paternity test done by blood test before the kid is born, correct?
This would avoid any of the unpleasantness of a woman having herself caught with her hand in the cookie jar and save all parties from the cost and hassle of courts after the fact.
I'm loving the idea that the pre-natal blood test will become a requirement of every pregnancy. I'm happy for my sons.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 8:43:16 PM | I've already posted what I think.
but if my husband or boyfriend asked me for one.. he'd feel like an ass when it came back his and i'd lose a lot of respect for him, to the point of perhaps not wanting to be with him anymore. Since relationship are based in trust and he doesn't trust me.. what do we have? A whole lot of nothing. It would be different if I was dumb enough to get pregnant by a guy I just met.. but I don't sleep with guys i just met.
And anyway.. the father, if not married to the mother, has to sign a paper (the aop) stating he is the father, plus you have to sign the birth certificate, thereby agreeing you are the father.... so all these men.. had to have signed that papers or they couldn't be held legally responsible. So all this crap about a women simply pointing her finger is just that.. crap.
also I googled it.. I see nothing that points to prenatal patenity testing becomming a requirement. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 10:11:55 PM | i'll explain it further..
if he thinks i cheated then he doesn't' trust me.. he SHOULD ask for the test.. if he doesn't trust me the relationship is over sooner or later anyway, because eventually that distrust is going to take over and he'll end up asking for it anyway.. thereby creating a divorce (or divorce-like) situation for a child to go through when they are older rather then before they are born and wouldn't remember.. rather it be sooner wouldn't you? If a woman gives you a reason then get one.. but be prepared to be dumped. If there isn't trust there isn't a relationship.
So I don't see a problem?
I wouldn't keep the baby from him and if he knows me, which presumably he does since I am pretty hard to bed, he would know that. If he's afraid to ask for some reason, then that is his issue and he has to deal with the consequences of it.
I don't see an issue
My son's father never questioned my son. He questioned his daughter by another women, but never my son. because I don't give a reason for a guy to think that of me because I don't do that stuff. Ironically.. his daughter and son could be twins.. his third baby looks nothing like him or my son or the other kid.. but he married her anyway.. he's a dummy if you ask me and he's not very happy. (Karma's a 8itch!)
And for every "bad women" story that you can give to show why a man can't trust a women I can give one for a man too. I don't think anyone disagrees that there are $hitty people in the world of both genders who make an impact on future relationships.
Were's tealwood when we need stats on paternity fraud.. i'd bet it's not as big a problem as it's claimed to be. Maury is not indicative of the general population. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 10:36:51 PM | And for every "bad women" story that you can give to show why a man can't trust a women I can give one for a man too. I don't think anyone disagrees that there are $hitty people in the world of both genders who make an impact on future relationships
You're arguing that all women should be exonerated from suspicion. Clearly there are many cases showing the father was duped - why are you resisting protecting the child and the father?
It seems that women are certainly demanding a double standard in terms of parental issues. That in itself is rather telling how women are not willing to help prevent fraud. On the other hand, what if a paternity test revealed that your man was cheating with another woman?
Paternity test keeps everyone honest and it provides a child with health issues, if need be. Hereditary diseeases are best cured if there is a known gentic link; it tells a doctor to look at things more assertively because a history DOES exist, if that is the case.
There are so many benefits to paternity testing - women need to stop being so selfish and arrogant about the issue. If you're a truly caring and faithful woman you would have no problem assisting in helping out on the issue.
I'm not buying your arguement about your integrity and faithfulness - a lot of cheaters would be just as adamant about their integrity too. Women created the problem - not men. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 12:28:10 AM | "Were's tealwood when we need stats on paternity fraud.. i'd bet it's not as big a problem as it's claimed to be. Maury is not indicative of the general population. "
The commonality of paternity fraud is difficult to estimate. There are no known tests in place to determine how many men are victims of paternity fraud.
The following factors are primarily responsible for the lack of data on the subject:
- Governments from the Western world do not collect data on the subject. This is most likely derived from the fact the Governments of the aforementioned nations do not prohibit their civilians from committing paternity fraud.
- The difficulty in acknowledging paternity fraud. Until the advent of DNA Testing during the early 1990's, technology wasn't sophisticated enough to identify paternity with absolute certainty.
The result is there isn't enough data on the subject to draw an accurate conclusion about its commonality.
However, it ranges from the low 9.7% to a high 29.7% the known cases being a false claim when paternity is disputed due to separation or divorce.
How much is needed -as estimated- to be considered a problem? | |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 2:24:36 AM | Unless you live in canada.. the laws there are really screwy.. you can't get roped as easily into paying for non-biological kids in the states, from what I understand all you have to do is date the mother there.. Crazy!
You should look up "psychological parent doctrine," "de facto parent doctrine," or "in loco parentis." I know for a fact that from "just dating" them, you most certainly can be on the hook in the U.S. This also applies to the UK, Canada, Australia, and all of Scandinavia.
This whole balking at the idea of paternity testing at birth is quite telling about the female psyche. I remember reading an article where the author was explaining how women even find themselves more important than the children they raise. This whole thing is an example of it. The "best interest of the child" gets thrown out the window when women have nothing to gain (and possibly something to lose) from it. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 3:45:03 AM | "This whole balking at the idea of paternity testing at birth is quite telling about the female psyche."
It´s simple: cheater women want to be financed by their choices.
The latest attempt to pass a bill making mandatory test at birth is as of april this year at New Jersey Assembly.
NOW and its lawyer´s were claiming an insult to all New Jersey´s women and violating their right to privacy.
It seems ok for a man to be financially liable for an offspring is not his; it seems ok for a biological father to be excluded of knowledge about the child sired; it seems ok for a child to be excluded of knoweledge about who is the real father AND it seems ok to reject the idea of mandatory paternity test before/at birth to prevent all those situations.
By law, it´s already ok to hold information to the partner about infidelity and not to prevent him of pregnancy´s possibility by such affair... when a man can only assume to be father - never be sure- since a certain fact doesn´t exist without DNA/blood test.
Yet, men are requiered to take women´s word as an absolute truth since relationship is based on trust or to face the possible rupture of that bond if paternity is questioned.
Perhaps, none of this are valid arguments to avoid disruption of family peace and/or to avoid paternity fraud.
Perhaps, women´s right to privacy supersedes the best interest of the children -not knowing who is the real father; the men´s right -as becoming duped faher, and father´s right -as the biological one being excluded.
OK then, have your cake...
Perhaps, lawsuits by civil law and/or prosecution by penal law will be more satisfactory solution: retaliation rather than prevention.
It´s up to them, then, to eat that cake too... or not. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 6:18:31 AM |
- Governments from the Western world do not collect data on the subject. This is most likely derived from the fact the Governments of the aforementioned nations do not prohibit their civilians from committing paternity fraud.
I googled this topic because a previous poster stated she couldn't find anything on the issue. Several states are considering the advice of others to consider mandatory paternity tests - who knows when this will ever happen. Also, during my search (should have bookmarked the site), it estimates that 1 out of every 24 children may not be properly identified with both biological parents - that's 4% of the children in your country.
At the least, I think it's something that needs to be focussed on irrespective of the ownership women feel they have with their child(ren). "Just ask for a test" is rather mundane on the women's part - you know they are ready for confrontation on that..... one poster has already stated that. Maybe to avoid upsetting women at birth, women should be made to prove the father is in fact the father when/if she wants to collect child support from a man?
Overall, women are not exempt from scrutiny. The world of moms has changed dramatically. Hell, you even have female austronaut travelling across country in a diaper just to be confrontational.
See it for what it is and for it's intent and there should be a lot of support for such a requirement. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 7:29:32 AM |
Were's tealwood when we need stats on paternity fraud.. i'd bet it's not as big a problem as it's claimed to be. Maury is not indicative of the general population.
The numbers I've seen that seem the most plausible are somewhere between 2-4% of births misidentify paternity. The 30% rate that is often cited was done on blood tests that were requested by courts or fathers. The sample on that study was about 200,000 kids, I think.
Now, women love to say that 2-4% of kids is really fvck all and not indicative of a problem, but tell that to the 50,000-100,000 men defrauded each year in North America..... not to mention the kids who don't know their bio-dad....
Yeah, it's nothing.....
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:10:10 AM | You refers, probably, to the most cited source of the American Association of Blood Banks (AABB) publication of its an annual report.
These statistics were concerning men that suspected that they are not the father and therefore sought testing.
Parentage Testing Program Unit - 1999 study by the American Association of Blood Banks found that around 30 percent of 280,000 blood tests performed to determine paternity, the man tested was not the biological father.
These are others numbers from reported cases:
1990- 120,000
1995- 149,000
2000- 300,626
2001- 310,490 (last year of published data)
Total laboratories: responded 46 out of 79 requested.
The average rate of exclusion: 29.06 %.
The median rate of exclusion: 28.1 %.
For Canada, the national newspaper -The Globe and Mail- quotes an estimated of 10% paternity fraud by geneticists from The Hospital for Sick Children, one of the top children's hospitals in the world.
The article is titled " Mommy's Little Secret" which, among other things, report:
"In the early 1970s, a schoolteacher in southern England assigned a class science project in which his students were to find out the blood types of their parents. The students were then to use this information to deduce their own blood types (because a gene from each parent determines your blood type, in most instances only a certain number of combinations are possible). Instead, 30 per cent of the students discovered their dads were not their biologically fathers. "
Yeah, I like to bore women with this stuff.
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