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"The 1951 UN Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, as amended by its 1967 protocol defines a refugee as a person who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country..."
The United States accepts a limited number of refugees each year. The President in consultation with Congress determines the authorized target for refugee admissions through a Presidential Determination. Although a refugee may meet the above criteria, the existence of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program does not create any entitlement for that person to be admitted to the U.S."
Okay, when I read this, my first thought was of the last refugee boat that sank coming to Australia. The US apparently takes less refugees per year than the number that drown trying to get to Australia (over the years). Australia has a population of about 23 million, yet latest figures show that 1 out of every 4 of our citizens were born overseas. The US has a population of 300 million, and is largely responsible for a large percentage of refugees in the world due to their direct and indirect global destabilization due to its foreign policy. IE They invaded Iraq for one...and that's just a recent example. Do we need to go back as far as Vietnam and beyond?
Interesting that Israel, who was the main proponent of pushing the UN resolution into the worlds' legislation won't take any refugees from anywhere for any reason...especially not Africans. Recently they expelled all non-Christians from Israel because they want to preserve "their culture." That was actually the reason they gave. And you know I fully get that, but what I don't get was the absence of the outcry of "racist...bigot...ignorant etc" as a result of the world's condemnation of Israel’s "racism." There was a strange global silence, just as there is when Israel takes more land from the Palestinians....creating more refugees.
I was born in Europe, and migrated to Australia with my parents when I was 5 years old. I consider myself to be an Australian. I really would like to see my Australian culture preserved, but if I even hint at this, I get the automatic cries of "racist ...bigot etc." I know that refugees and immigrants are hardworking people, as my parents always have been, but my issue is that since the abolition of the "White Australia Policy," which was apparently 'racist,' Australia has had more racial issues than ever before in its history. In some parts of Sydney, store windows will not display Christmas trees because it "may offend" the new arrivals. Some schools no longer sing Christmas carols either, because white Australian students are an absolute minority and the migrants want to preserve their own culture right here in Australia. Can you see a problem with this? We are expected to celebrate diversity and be accepting of new cultures, but only the white Australians have this expectation placed upon them. John Howard some years ago even went public saying Aussies shouldn't display the Australian flag on Australia Day because it may offend the "new Australians." How about we just ban Anzac day because it may offend the Turkish immigrants? How far will this go?
If I am proud to be an Australian, and want my nations heritage and culture to remain unchanged...am I a racist? | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:05:41 AM |
If I am proud to be an Australian, and want my nations heritage and culture to remain unchanged...am I a racist?
Culture constantly changes whether by migration of people or absorbtion of external influences. The Brits brought their culture and didn't bother trying to assimilate with aboriginal culture because they had guns. More migrants came from North America, Europe and Asia and did assimilate better with the British but also added their own flavour to the mix. More recently there is migration from Asia and the Middle East. American culture has been increasingly influencial in recent times - for example Halloween is becoming more commonly celebrated.
All cultures are dynamic; ours is no exception. Pride in your nation is your prerogative, but the problem is in demanding it's culture remain static. Extreme nationalism that seeks to enforce conformity with some ideal of a single, static culture across the nation can only be attempted through tyranny. That would be very 'un-Australian', which is one reason most people choose to embrace change instead.(I'm using the term 'un-Australian' with substantial irony here.)
I'm sure the arguments you are putting forward about the detrimental effect on traditional Australian culture were also being put forward around the time you arrived from Europe. It is plainly evident that Australian culture has been enriched by such arrivals as yourself, rather than impoverished.
Perhaps you are saying that you chose to completely assimilate and the new arrivals are not choosing to? Well of course there have always been varying degrees of assimilation, which is why we have wonderful places like little Italy and China town. If complete assimilation was enforced then not only would we lose such vibrant cultural hotspots but we would be comitting all sorts of crimes against humanity.
So you may say not to let any more in to reduce the rate of cultural change, but what about the skills shortages? What about keeping population growth high for more businesses profit, a larger tax base and a housing bubble that keeps growing? It is not in the governments nor business interest to reduce migration. Of course you could try and convince 51% of the population, but I'm afraid even then it wouldn't help because there's money to be made. Sorry. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:43:59 AM |
So you may say not to let any more in to reduce the rate of cultural change, but what about the skills shortages? What about keeping population growth high for more businesses profit, a larger tax base and a housing bubble that keeps growing? It is not in the governments nor business interest to reduce migration. Of course you could try and convince 51% of the population, but I'm afraid even then it wouldn't help because there's money to be made. Sorry.
I spent a bit of time thinking today , as to how I might actually reply to the Topic in general as posed by Guesswho.
My initial thought was along the lines of " Man he's opened a can of worms here "
I am really glad you stepped up to the mark on this one O Ginja Ninja , everything in your reply rings true , but also so does a lot of OP's fears and observations. I think our cultures way of evolving will be partway between the two , there will always be the old guard , who want traditional Anglo-Saxon "Aussie Aussie Aussie " values to remain locked solid , but if you look at these same values applied throughout the years they apply to ALL settlers since colonisation and the eventual wakening of our "Identity"... Take for instance the great Aussie "Fair Go" creed ... this applies to everyone who legally sets foot on our shores and wants to contribute to our great country , be they the greeks of the 50's the Italians and Yugoslavians of the 60's
the Vietnamese of the 70's and the larger Asian immigration more recently .
Pretty much ALL nations are racist to some degree, and with increasing numbers of "minorities " , Some Australians are beginning to taste some of the reverse racism and it leaves a little bitter pill in the mouth .
I would hate to see all vestiges of Australian Values , wiped off the face of the earth , but as Ginger points out , these values are in constant flux , it remains up to us , as individuals and as a society , to promote and pass on the values we feel should remain .
A lot of the values we might feel are threatened ( such as Christmas Traditions etc ) are only threatened because the populace chooses to play the political correctness game , and if we choose to play that , then we are in fact denying another of our so called values ... our right to be irreverant and politically incorrect ... the very thing that made us a nation that is the envy of many societies !
The section I quoted above from Ging's post is actually the REAL threat to the "Australian" way of life ... we are putting profit and growth before community and before assimilation ... Our country is being encouraged to grow at an unrealistic rate , that will not allow real assimilation of immigrants in the way it has happened in the past .
Where a "New Australian" was exposed to the very factors of what made our country great in the workplace, in the neighbourhood, within the community ... and we as established Aussies are dropping the ball a lot of the time too , instead of embracing our new neighbours , incorporating them into our lives , and showing them all about mateship , and having a go etc , we listen to the media , and fall into the fear trap !
First rule of governance ... divide and conquer ... something our Govt is becoming incredibly skilled at , immigration is a great platform for this , it meets all the growth criteria our "experts " feel Australia needs to keep the growth and taxation bubble happening, and provides enough instability to keep the populace divided :)
If Australia becaomes a place none of us no longer wish to live in , whos fault is it ?
The government who promotes it , or the people who allow it ? | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 1:21:35 PM | My solution (the quick version) is to promise to take care of the woman and children (in gated communities if neccesary) but tell th men that they have to go back and fight for justice just as our men and women in history had to.
I'd bet the boats stop overnight. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 5:18:00 PM | I'm not racist I'm a dynamic-conservative...
Immigrants who come here should have our values forced fed into them... stay with me on this ..
then given mandatory membership at the local bowling/surf lifesaving club
Immigrants/refugees have often fled their war torn country or come here looking for a better life than which they came from, then when repatriated with their ex-nationals in austraya instead of integration they often form little satellite communities and then emulate the very country that they fled from..
At hospital they other day I almost sh!t my pants, I thought I saw death roaming the hallways, turns out it was just a chick in a full black burqa...F'me, leave it at home !!
All cultures are dynamic; ours is no exception. Pride in your nation is your prerogative, but the problem is in demanding it's culture remain static.
I fully agree ginge-ninge, staying static is destructive but so is the rate of change this country is seeing.
Assuming I live a little longer I can say in less than half a lifetime I have seen "EASTER HAT PARADES" banned at schools as it may upset new comers. and thats just bullsh!t.
Having said all that, I'd let everyone in....how many worlds do we have to live on. this country is not yours or mine. its ours.
Rascism ..pft!! we wont have racism soon, less than 200 yrs ago, if you wanted to immigrate. your on a boat for 6 months, now you can be anywhere on the planet in 18hrs ...'rate of change anybody !!
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Posted: 6/25/2012 2:10:23 AM |
My solution (the quick version) is to promise to take care of the woman and children (in gated communities if neccesary) but tell th men that they have to go back and fight for justice just as our men and women in history had to.
I'd bet the boats stop overnight.
I was under the understanding that they could stay in their first port of call....IE Malaysia or Indonesia. As far as I know, these countries have no policy of genocide against refugees. They would be safe there. But alas let's burn our passports and have no evidence of first port of call. Australia is the promised land..the land of milk and honey. (IE Social security, medicare, old age pensions for people who have never worked a day in their life etc etc etc...the list is endless. )
My parents never burned their passport. They never burned down the detention centre they stayed in. They never took a cent from social security. They didn't object to Christian icons and customs. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 2:27:41 AM | seems to me that the 'offenses' that may be caused to this one or that one, EG Christmas trees and Easter hats etc, is a religious offense, can we separate CULTURE from RELIGION. ? To me culture is food, greetings, clothing, entertainment, dances etc.
Funny, even as I type this, the spell check comes in to Capitalise the words easter, and christmas.
I personally can have racist tendencies sometimes, nothing to do with the boat people.
I try rather than thinking I'm proud to be australian, That I'm proud to be ME, and individual, anywhere we want to fly the flag as such will promote tribalism. Just some thoughts from me. Thanks for the post | |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 3:29:44 AM | | I don't have issues with anyone living here....I do have issues with people not pulling their weight though. If people want to live here, good luck to them, as long as they are prepared to do their bit. The sooner people realise the world is not 'ours', the better for everyone. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 10:29:07 AM | YourAppreciated wrote:
Funny, even as I type this, the spell check comes in to Capitalise the words easter, and christmas.
Does it also capitalise Holacaust and Islam ? Just wondering. Actually I already know the answer, I was wondering if you did.
And yes, religion is an integral part of culture. I'm not threatened by other religions, as long as they don't encrouch on my freedom of thought in my own country.
Try this trick. Go to Iran and tell the men to throw away their prayer mats and pick up a crucifix. Tell the women to swap their burquas for a mini skirt. Tell them that these are the cultural and religious values from your old country and they as your hosts must comply with this otherwise you will be offended. Call them racist if they disagree. Send me a post card letting me know how this works out for you :) | |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 4:29:03 PM | Thanks , for me i dont see it as MY country, I am just fortunate enought to live here. I think that many of those other 'cultures' are just that, they have been conditioned that way,. I dont even think its 'them' that say we have to comply.
They've made it known certain tings offend them, they are entitled to voice that. It is the local govt that has laid down the compliance rule ie, 'this school will no longer have GOD in their mottoes etc. And you are no longer allowed to wear Easter Hats , ....see? they dont make the rule.....our lot does that,. And in fact, as a supposed "christian" nation, that is what they are meant to do if TRUE to the christian beliefs,, there is shortfalls on indviduals/groups in the perception of their own religious beliefs. Great topic for discussion. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 6:00:39 PM | I think that many of those other 'cultures' are just that, they have been conditioned that way,. . As are we. All this angst stems from people staunchly trying to preserve what amounts to their own conditioning. But then, protecting the conditioning is probably part of the conditioning.  I like your thought about simply being fortunate enough to live here.
For me, I've decided to stay away from boats for a while, because I'm not a christian and I have no idea where my passport is. Although I'm not sure when being a christian became so very important to Australians.  Sure, 60% of Australians roughly affiliate with christianity when asked, but only 7.5% go to church every week. The percentages of non-christian religions are tiny, so hardly a threat. Watch us atheists though...we're at 22% and rising. Raise the alarm; it could be a take-over from within. When we assume control (muahahaha) we will still have the Christmas knees up...it hardly matters given that way back the idea was nicked from another religion/culture and renamed anyway.
I have never actually heard anyone say that the Australian flag offends them and should not be flown. But I hear lots of people saying “if us flying the Australian flag offends you, then go home”. Who are they addressing exactly? Where are all these crowds of strenuous objectors to the flag? As for Christmas, there has been no law change, no banning. If schools or shops choose to not get absorbed in the theme and not pimp their windows because it doesn’t have relevance or appeal for the majority of the users of their services, then surely that’s their choice? Maybe there’s a few random people around who object to flags and christian-themed songs in some extreme fashion, but to build that into the notion of some movement by new Australians to deny everyone these things seems nothing more than a beat up. A manufactured Grinch for us all to fear and hate on.
Of course the last thing we want is immigrants coming over here and meddling in how things are done, stirring up a stack of trouble, and changing things. At one point there was a mob of immigrants who had come over here, meddled in how things were being done, stirred up a stack of trouble, and changed things. That was that thing they called the Eureka Stockade. (If I am remembering it right, only one Australian born bloke amongst them.) Let's have no more of that because it was all very un-Australian. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 6:14:24 PM | I come from a long line of Scots and an uncle has traced the family tree way, way back to the time where they were persecuted and driven out of Scotland to Ireland, America and then Australia. They were practically all wiped out when they fled. Were they not 'boat' people also?
My opinion is that some people are Bandwagoners and jump from one issue to another beating their chests and protesting.
In saying all of this most of us are conditioned to make assumuptions and I have at times to work hard not to do so. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 8:29:11 PM | kmac6 wrote:
I come from a long line of Scots and an uncle has traced the family tree way, way back to the time where they were persecuted and driven out of Scotland to Ireland, America and then Australia. They were practically all wiped out when they fled. Were they not 'boat' people also?
No, they weren't 'boat people.' Ireland, America and Australia were all part of the British Empire back then. So even though they were geographically seperate....culturally they were Anglo Saxon, and shared the same value system. Same land, just in different places. A bit like walking from your living room to your bedroom. Different rooms..same house.
Ask the Australian Aborigines how they feel about having a new culture thrust upon them. Two hundred years down the track they are still fighting to be recognized under their own sovereignty. Will our grandchildren be the next Aborigines?
I am not an ignorant man. I am well educated and travelled and I speak two languages other than English. I eat in Asian restaurants and Italian restaurants. I have friends from all over the world. My relatives live in the US, Czech Republic and Slovakia. I don't want to come across as a flag waving dumb drunk bigot. All I really want is the world I knew when I was a kid. There weren't any drive by shootings from Middle Eastern gangs competing for drug territory, Asian gangs fighting in the streets with Samoan gangs. (IE Inala ...2009 ) We had back yard barbecues and children playing in parks. Schools did not look like maximum security prisons. When I thought of Norway or Sweden or Holland I thought of little children in colourful frocks and windmills and yodaling. I didn't think of White supremecists slaughtering 77 Muslim kids on Summer camp because of the pressure of Political Correctness and the pain of watching your countries heritage and culture being bought and sold like stock on the share market.
I'm not blaming migrants for any of this. It's just the way our leaders have sold us out. Israel has not signed the UN Treaty, and does not accept multiculturalism. The Jews are historically the most persecuted people on Earth. Have they worked something out that we haven't? They have a "home land."
I'd like to thank the people who contributed to this thread. Thank you for the well thought out and reasoned replies. This is my last post onto this thread. I'm moving on...new thread. New contraversy. Ahh...the beauty of free speech. Enjoy while you can.
Cheers,
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Posted: 6/25/2012 8:42:57 PM | If immigrants want to come here from a different culture, they are the ones who should assimilate to us, not we having to assimilate to them. We shouldn't be making changes and banning cultural practices in public just to accommodate for them. If they don't like it, bugger off.
Especially the ones that come from islamic societies. If Australia is not as islamic influenced as they want it to be and they have a problem with this but yet want to stay here for the privileged life, they shouldn't be here.
One of the most ironic things about the muslim groups here is that they whinge about being discriminated against and not being treated fair and equal. Yet on the other hand they demand apartheid such like muslim only toilets, muslim only housing, muslim only swimming pools. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 9:32:47 PM |
Interesting that Israel, who was the main proponent of pushing the UN resolution into the worlds' legislation won't take any refugees from anywhere for any reason...especially not Africans. Recently they expelled all non-Christians from Israel because they want to preserve "their culture." That was actually the reason they gave. And you know I fully get that, but what I don't get was the absence of the outcry of "racist...bigot...ignorant etc" as a result of the world's condemnation of Israel’s "racism." There was a strange global silence, just as there is when Israel takes more land from the Palestinians....creating more refugees.
I'm not blaming migrants for any of this. It's just the way our leaders have sold us out. Israel has not signed the UN Treaty, and does not accept multiculturalism. The Jews are historically the most persecuted people on Earth. Have they worked something out that we haven't? They have a "home land."
Im an Australian born - American raised - citizen (as my parents were American by default- they "immigrated" to the States at the end of World War 2) .....I hold dual citizenship..........................oh and Im Jewish !!!!!!
I can think of 6 millions reasons why we have a homeland decreed to us ..................of those 6 million reasons, 4 were my grandparents, on both sides. 13 were my aunts and uncles and cousins...... who perished in Auschwitz/Belsen concentration camp....their crime ? ..........they were Jewish....My parents were fortunate to survive the camp.... ...but only my family and I know what "surviving" really entails...
My parents are dead now...and in the year 2000 I returned their remains back to the "promised homeland"
Am I a racist ?................................Id like to think that I am not .....but I have 6 millions reason why I could be.......................... | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 1:00:53 AM | The Scots were also part of Europe where there is diverse racism.
To explain my point which is being persercuted as a culture to the point of having to flee your country...
[edit] Anti-Scottish propaganda in the 18th century
Sawney Beane at the Entrance of His Cave. published in the 1720's The Newgate Calendar caption: The woman in the background carries a severed leg.Stereotypes of Scottish cannibalism lasted till the mid-18th century and were embraced by English political and anti-Jacobite propaganda, in reaction to a series of Jacobite uprisings, rebellions, in the British Isles between 1688 and 1746. The Jacobean uprisings themselves in reaction to the Glorious Revolution of 1688, were aimed at returning James VII of Scotland and II of England, and later his descendants of the House of Stuart. Anti-Jacobite prodominantly anti-Scottish propaganda of the period includes publications include the 1720s the London Newgate Calendar a popular monthly bulletin of executions, produced by the keeper of Newgate Prison in London. One Newgate publication created the legend of Sawney Bean, the head of a forty-eight strong clan of incestual, lawless and cannibalistic family in Galloway. Although based on fiction, the family were reported by the Calendar to have murdered and cannibalised over one thousand victims. Along with the Bible and John Bunyan's The Pilgrim's Progress, the Calendar was famously in the top three works most likely to be found in the average home and the Calendar's title was appropriated by other publications, who put out biographical chapbooks. With the intent to create a work of fiction to demonstrate the superiority of the British establishment in contrast to the savage pro-Jacobean, uncivilised Scots.[22][23]
From 1701−1720 a sustained Whig campaign of anti-Jacobean pamphleteering across Britain and Ireland sought to halt Jacobitism as a political force and undermine the claim of James II and VII to the British throne. In 1705 Whig politicians in the Scottish parliament voted to sustain a status quo and to award financial incentives of £4,800 to each writer having served the interests of the nation.[24][25] Such measures had the opposite effect and furthered the Scots towards the cause, enabling Jacobitism flourish as a sustaining political presence in Scotland.[24] Pro-Jacobite writings and pamphleteers e.g. Walter Harries and William Setton were liable to imprisonment of for producing in the eyes of the government seditious or scurrilous tracts and all copies or works were seized or destroyed.[26] Anti-Jacobite Pamphleteering, as an example An Address to All True Englishmen[27] routed a sustained propaganda war with Scotland’s pro-Stuart supporters ensued and British Whig campaigners pushed a pro-British and the anti-Celtic nature of Williamite satire[28] resulting in a backlash by pro-Jacobean Scottish pamphleteers.
As Scots both Lowland and Highland with supporters elsewhere in the British Isles sided in the last major Jacobite risings of 1715 and 1745, the British government increased the xenophobic or anti-Scottish sentiment shifting the stereotypical image of a Jacobite from English, Welsh or Irish to that of being a Scot. From 1720 anti-Jacobite and anti-Catholic literature sought to remove the Jacobite, the Scot, the Highlander being beyond the pale, or an enemy of John Bull or a unified Britain and Ireland as seen in Thomas Page's The Use of the Highland Broadsword published in 1746.[29] Propaganda of the time included the minting of anti-Jacobite or Scottish medals,[30] and political cartoons to promote the Scots as a barbaric and backward people,[31] similar in style to the 19th century depiction of the Irish as being backward or barbaric. English supporters of the government were likely to view all Scots as disloyal Highlanders, especially in the political cartoons depicting the jacobite’s as an unprepared rabble or in the modification of the anti-Irish song Lillibulero claiming although without proof, during the rising of 1745 the Scots marched unprepared without shoes.[31] Plays like William Shakespeare’s Scottish play Macbeth,was popularised and considered a pro-English (British), pro-Hanoverian, anti-rebel and anti-Stuart play.[14] Printings included Sawney in The Boghouse itself a reference to the tale of Sawney Bean depicted the Scots dressed as a Highlander, too stupid to use a lavatory and gave a particularly 18th century edge to traditional depictions of cannibalism and such ideas were modified to smear Africans as cannibals in the following century in the colonial age.[32] The Highlander and Scottish people were promoted as brutish thugs, figures of ridicule and no match for the English modern army. They were feminised as a parody of the female disguise used by Bonny Prince Charlie in his escape,[32] and as savage warriors that needed the guiding hand of the Anglo-British to render them civilised.[29]
"Roastbeef" William Hogarth's francophobic painting The Gate of Calais or O! The Roast Beef of Old England, in which In the foreground, a Highlander, an exile from the Jacobite rising of 1745,[33] sits slumped against the wall, his strength sapped by the poor French fare – a raw onion and a crust of bread.Depictions included the Highland clad Scots as ill-dressed and ill-fed, loutish and verminous usually in league with the French[34] as can be seen in William Hogarth’s 1748 painting The Gate of Calais with a Highlander exile sits slumped against the wall, his strength sapped by the poor French fare – a raw onion and a crust of bread. Political cartoons in 1762 depicts the Earl of Bute (a vocal pro-Jacobean) as a poor John Bull depicted with a bulls head with crooked horns ridden by Scotland taking bribes from a French monkey
Racsim to me is more about beliefs and lifestyle differences than colour and country of origin. Of course we could just call it..Intolerance.. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 1:09:44 AM | This is an eye opener regards to this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG3pwYWSP34&feature=player_embedded | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 1:40:03 AM | pookiesooverperth wrote:
My parents are dead now...and in the year 2000 I returned their remains back to the "promised homeland"
The purpose of my thread was not to offend the Jews, or any specific racial or cultural minority. But your response has made me a little bit angry. I'm sorry about your relatives and the war. I too had relatives die in WW2. Their crime was that they lived on land the Germans wanted. 70 million people died in WW2, and most didn't have to be Jewish.
Stalin murdered 25 million in his Gulags for being anti-communist. Mao Tse Tung wacked some 30 million. The US bombed about 3 million Vietnamese back to the stone age. What was there crime? The historical list is endless, but you know, all of these countries just moved on. All human life has the same value...irregardless of race.
My father escaped the secret police in Czechoslovakia and brought my mum and myself to Australia as he had anti-communist views and it was no longer safe for us to live in our own country. So where is our "promised homeland?" It's right here, in Australia.
So you took your parents remains back to Israel. And why was that? Because they didn't consider themselves to be Australian, that's why. When I die, I have no intentions of having my remains sent back to Czechoslovakia. I'm right at home where I am. If Australia is good enough to live in, its good enough to die in.
You posed the question:
Am I a racist ?................................Id like to think that I am not .....but I have 6 millions reason why I could be
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Posted: 6/26/2012 2:03:02 AM | | It seems that only whites are racist when they complain about cultural differences that interfere with their own. When anyone else of a different colour complains, we have to take it into consideration and listen or else we're INTOLERANT. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 4:34:21 AM |
Am I a racist ?................................Id like to think that I am not .....but I have 6 millions reason why I could be Yup...I think you just may be.
This little exchange shows much of what is wrong with the world.
Pookie: that 6 million people were murdered because of their religion/culture is an argument against all discrimination, not an argument for more of the same.
GuessWhat1964: you are correct that Israel has many indefensible, discriminatory policies. Alas, AIPAC has a lot of influence with the UN-veto-weilding global hegemon. If you compare the population density of Israel (371/km2) to Australia (2.8/km2) you will see why their government and businesses are not as hungry as ours to promote population growth. Comparing to the ghetto of the Gaza Strip (9713/km2) is always interesting too. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 5:52:19 AM | So you took your parents remains back to Israel. And why was that? Because they didn't consider themselves to be Australian, that's why. When I die, I have no intentions of having my remains sent back to Czechoslovakia. I'm right at home where I am. If Australia is good enough to live in, its good enough to die in.
You posed the question:
Am I a racist ?................................Id like to think that I am not .....but I have 6 millions reason why I could be
Yup...I think you just may be.
Um if you read the post properly..you will see my parents were actually American (they immigrated to the US after they were liberated by the Americans from the camps after the war - but were actually Polish Jews by birth but naturalised Americans) -. They were not Australian , they just worked here for a short period of time.
I was born in Australia as my father was posted here (my father was in the American Military and was training the Australian Army when my mother fell pregnant with me) ...my parents were orthodox Jews and their wish was to be buried in the "Promised Land" as was promised to us back in the time of David.....and the problem with that is what ??? that I honored my parents wishes and fulfilled them accordingly ???......technically speaking.... I am the Australian one here.
Nothing wrong with Australia to live or die in ...totally agree.....and I hope I have the choice of where my remains end up....interestingly I have no desire to be buried here, the US or Israel...I have my own place of where I wish my mortal remains to be interred....but fate may have other plans for me......
My question ...am I racist ??????................um...yeah I am...absolutely .....hence my comment...(I appreciate that irony, tongue in cheek etc is lost in translation via the written word) ...feel free to stone me.... I thought my post was pretty obvious that I was....for my family (those remaining which is now few..) Im afraid, the war although over 60 odd years ago, we ll they still live with the repercussions today. Yes I found your post rather distasteful to all Jews.......but my humble opinion means little.....
Ginger your statement regarding discrimination is completely true.....I am in complete agreeance with what you say....there is the realist and the idealist take on this argument.......and one will always hope for world peace ...after all, we all bleed the same color...........
But I think in this particularly scenario of (The Jewish Solution)....more time is required to pass to allow for more healing to take place because when my parents were still alive..(each day I saw their tattooed numbers on their inner wrists as they went about their day) .....and for them, the war and the horrors associated with it, was just like yesterday... remember they lost both their parents, their siblings and their uncles/aunts and cousins in circumstances which would make most men gag..... ... ..forgiveness, at the time that they were still alive...was still beyond them...so they didnt pass from this life to the next in a state of grace....gee how many of us do ???
.....and I ask...in all honesty....who of you ... are completely and utterly not racist in ANY shape or form..????
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Posted: 6/26/2012 7:36:54 AM |
after all, we all bleed the same color...
Yes, that is a good point. Race is just a social construct, not a biological fact. We're all the same species with slight variations in a narrow genetic spectrum.
The country of our birth is mere chance, and the culture that shapes who we are is also accidental. If we happened to be born in Afghanistan, we'd be muslim, and possibly sympathetic with the Taliban. People are not born with misconceptions about the world, it is taught. If it is all you have ever known it is impossible to think your way out of your conditioning by yourself. As foxy said very well earlier, it is our responsibility to reach out and welcome others who come here so that they may shake off some of the insular dogma they were fed as kids... and you never know, it may broaden our horizons a little too.
But I think in this particularly scenario of (The Jewish Solution)....more time is required to pass to allow for more healing to take place...
..forgiveness, at the time that they were still alive...was still beyond them...
More time before what happens? Israel is a nation like any other. Forgiveness doesn't come into it because it is not judaism, nor the victims of the holocaust we are talking about; just the modern state of Israel and it's discriminatory policies protected from international condemnation by the power of the US.
in all honesty....who of you ... are completely and utterly not racist in ANY shape or form..????
I'm no saint, but I don't pre-judge people because of where they were born or which particular invible pink unicorn they worship. Moreover, I think most Aussies - at least most my age or younger - are the same. Yes, my dad is from convicts and my mum is Scots, but my sister married an Italian, my mates growing up were Indian, Kenyan and Taiwanese, my step-mum was Austrian, my dad's new woman is Chinese, I work with a Sri Lankan, Chilean, Indian, New Zealanders & Pacific Islanders. I've had dinner with Iranians and played golf with Turks. Everyone on this list would identify as 'Australian', but they have an ethnic heritage that is not Anglo. I've been in countries hindu, bhuddist, muslim, communist, capitalist, rich, poor. One thing I know: behind the trappings of tradition we are all the same, with much to learn from each other and little to fear other than fear itself. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 4:48:48 PM |
.....and I ask...in all honesty....who of you ... are completely and utterly not racist in ANY shape or form..???? IN COMPLETE HONESTY !!!!
A perfect confession from you Pookie. Now that wasn't so hard was it ?
...feel free to stone me....I thought it was pretty obvious that I was....for my family...
I don't want to stone you...I want to educate you and help you to heal. You weren't even born during the "Jewish Solution." thus your anger and hatred and prejudice have been passed on to you by your parents...and I'm afraid you are going to pass it on to your children and grandchildren. The 'forgiveness' process can start with you.
The forgiveness process can also start in Hollywood. It's time to stop making movies about the Holocaust, complete with violins and evil Germans...and start making some movies about how the German nation has been paying unrealistic war reparations to Israel for the last 60 years. Most of these Germans weren't even alive when the war raged, and yet they keep paying. In fact, the state of Israel did not exist during the war, so why are they receiving anything at all ? No one dropped any bombs on them.
I think Israel, and your people, would gain a lot of grace in the world if your "Promised Land" had a national "Sorry Day" for Palestine. They are people too, and don't need your new Holocaust perpatrated on them. 300 000 murdered already. Humm...where are the Hollywood movies about that one ?
Pookie wrote:
I can think of 6 million reasons to be racist.....
I can think of 300 000 reasons to be racist...I just choose not to be. Let the healing begin with that choice. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 7:24:11 PM | | I wasn't a racist until last Australia day when i was walking down the street with a hat that resembles the Aussie flag and I got abused by a carload of males af Middle Eastern appearance.I bet the same arsewipes don't mind going to Centrelink to get their handout every fortnight.90% of them have never worked after being here for 5 years(i read that once).Australia is over populated now so why to we just keep letting people come here some of which don't contribute to our society and have no intention of.Some wanky agreement about refugees that we signed up for.Easy to fix just unsign it. Our esteemed PM has a vision for a "Big" Australia (population of 50 million). Waht a joke. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 9:04:33 PM | Breaking news! Yet another leaky boat has overturned this morning, with 170 people on board. This will stir the Gillard Govt again, still smarting from the kicking they received in Parliament this week highlighting their incompetence in controlling the trade in illegal entrants.
It's 180 Ks north of Christmas Island, so that should prompt the Indonesians to help rescue.
But as it seems, the Indonesians have no interest in rescuing these people, their attitude being 'they wanted to get to Australia, so suk it up!'
Bad neighbours!
*AMSA [ Australian Maritime Safety Authority] is co-ordinating the rescue even though the vessel is in Indonesia's search and rescue zone.
Australia has notified Indonesia's BASARNAS rescue organisation but it is not yet clear whether it will assist with the rescue effort*
I think we know the answer to that! | |
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