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| | THe Wrath Of God, or not, depending on the interpreter.Page 1 of 2 (1, 2) | Have any of the believers, and their leaders the preachers, suggested that the weather patterns over the last few years and especially this year, might be a message from their god, that he is not happy with what is going on in the land of the free?
If so have any preachers, started to look a politicians, and other people who believe in pocket lining first?
Is god not happy with the USA?
Obviously I realise on this site such a connection would be regarded as bunkum, but ther are many not so educated, who are easily led. IS its gods wrath? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 10:26:24 AM | No, it's not. God would have to exist first.
Natural disasters happen. It's unfortunate, but they do. To think that it is God's anger or unhappiness is just ignorant.
Even if he existed, to think that he is unhappy with America more so than other countries is also silly. The US is one of the most successful countries in the world. You should actually be asking if God is unhappy with Africa or some other 3rd world country where wars, disease, AIDS, etc. are wide spread. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 1:46:43 PM | Can't presume or assume existence of any one many or all pervasive entity of sorts.. I don't think it's a matter of "natural" disaster though. It's not natural. It's unnatural. We have seriously ****ed our planet and our planet hates us. End of story.
Also, not even one person is interested in taking care of what they can take care of on their own. Consume consume consume.
But you're right in questioning such...... perhaps if they were believers, honestly faithful, they'd dance to the beat of a different drummer and chime a new tune. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 8:53:26 PM | Oh please. The whole 'God' is upset with humankind 'argument' again ... ? There is no such thing as 'god', so that can be ruled out straight away. As for the 'preachers', they're just shills looking for the same thing politicians look for: Power, Money, and Control ... it's the 'PMC' equation. 'God' not happy with the USA? What about Europe? Or the Third World? Are they immune from 'god's wrath? Illogical speculation and faulty premise, since the 'god' being is non-existent. There are, however, more than enough people out there who will sell into the psychology that 'god' is 'angry' with mankind for despoiling 'his' creation ... if you believe that, I have a nice bridge in NYC I'll sell you for a very reasonable price - and I'll throw in the riparian rights with it. Call me ... or have your people call my people. We'll do lunch and set up your payment plan.
As for weather patterns: Weather is cyclic. Wait a month or two and people will be biitching because it's getting close to winter again. Barnum was so far ahead of his time ... and so right about human nature. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2012 1:06:57 AM | | Let us not forget that many natural disasters are in fact man-made disasters. If you choose for your residence to be in a high risk location concerning what mother nature might do, or instability, you're asking for it. When a lot of humans or human activity is present in such conditions, something's going to happen. And it's not quite right to fail to identify it correctly as a man-made disaster. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2012 5:04:08 PM | | This whole 'God is angry with us' argument is messed up from the get-go, even if there was a god. I mean, you'd think a kind, justice-loving god would find a more specific way of punishing people. Instead, he creates earthquakes and tsunamis that wipe out a whole group of people indiscriminately. I find it astounding that so many theists can reconcile the notion of a good god with such actions. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 3:51:12 PM | Whether God exists or not, never believe another person's opinion. No man or woman has any real evidence.
Second, I don't think we are important enough for God to send "messages". If I were God, I'd just wait for the humans to kill themselves then make a humanity version 3.0 (we are 2.0) | |
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Posted: 7/10/2012 2:36:20 PM | Are you also suggesting that God was not happy with the dinosaurs so he caused meteors to come and wipe them out? What did the dinosaurs do that was so bad?
I would conclude that God doesn't send messages. God wasn't able to (or didn't feel like) creating any of the holy books, so man had to write them. I would guess that God would start by making his own book if he wanted to send a message. | |
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| THe Wrath Of God, or not, depending on the interpreter.
Posted: 7/10/2012 9:38:39 PM |
No man or woman has any real evidence.
Have you ever taken a calculus class before? There's some good math for good evidence if you understand physics. I'm guessing you haven't done that.
...then make a humanity version 3.0 (we are 2.0)
What does that.... I don't even...I literally am speechless. You have stunned me with stupidity.
Humanity 2.0? How can you argue against anyone having evidence, firstly, and then secondly, saying, "hey, evidence for humanity 2.0 (somewhere in this argument...no, whoops! forgot that!)!"
Anyways, you're the one without evidence. I can prove gravity, electromagnetism, and two other nuclear forces -- that you likely aren't even aware of right now -- mathematically.
I can also prove the phylogenetic tree of life using simple biochemistry.
I do agree with you that I don't think that, given that there were any supreme beings i.e. a god, we are important at all for any supreme being(s), that is, a god. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2012 3:53:01 AM | i go for zeus - he is more unreasonably petulant than yarweh who seems dull and lacklustre by comparison. if gods really do exist and interact with mankind, it makes sense for them to be completely senseless and malevolent because at least that reflects what we see around us.
gods that move in mysterious ways seem to be rather too feeble to really be gods, so i demote yarweh, jehovah, allah or whatever he calls himself today to underachieving semi-demi-god and propose that zeus and thor are up there for half-decent sith-like deity status.
worship of roman and norse gods was at least a good excuse for an excellent piss up and a mega-feast binge - i might have kept up my church-going for at least a little longer | |
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Posted: 7/11/2012 2:35:20 PM |
Have any of the believers, and their leaders the preachers, suggested that the weather patterns over the last few years and especially this year, might be a message from their god, that he is not happy with what is going on in the land of the free?
Apparently, the Reverend John Haggee blamed hurrican Katrina on a gay pride march the week before. At least, he did until someone pointed out that the French Quarter, host to the event, "miraculously" escaped unscathed.
What troubles me is that education is no barrier to people believing this nonsense. But it does at least help. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 3:54:48 PM | Obviously I do not expect people on this site to personally believe GOD has caused the weather problems, that was never the point. I credit you all with more intelligence than that.
But you are all a minority, the majority are not so educated, and thus more inclined to believe such things. It was them and their leaders, who exploit their flock I was concerned with.
This was not designed for people to defend their own educated position, but to question if the exploiters of belief, for cash of course, have or do use this to encourage people of less knowledge, to accept preposterous explanations. Has the notion been aired on TV for instance. What about politicians, they are paid to lie, and appear sincere.
Religion is a business, always has been always will be, where a little donation from a lot, provides a lot for a few, while they advocate poverty, hard work and other things they never normally get involved with apart from on a verbal basis. Its a game of words, a confidence trick, and just look how many people in the world give to these con artists. | |
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Posted: 8/16/2012 3:54:46 PM | God just needs to get laid already.
If we can get him laying back, feet up, having a smoke afterwards...then things just might be alright. Him and his damn apple. Why hasn't HE tried it yet? Why hasn't a snake slithered into HIS bed? If we can pull that off, we're good. | |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 11:30:02 AM | "Given headaches, backaches, toothaches, strains, scrapes, breaks, cuts, rashes, burns, bruises, PMS, fatigue, hunger, odors, molds, colds, yeast, parasites, viruses, cancers, genetic defects, blindness, deafness, paralysis, mental illness, ugliness, ignorance, miscommunications, embarrassments, unrequited love, dashed hopes, boredom, hard labor, repetitious labor, accidents, old age, senility, fires, floods, earthquakes, typhoons, tornadoes, hurricanes and volcanoes, I can not see how anyone, after they are dead, deserves “eternal punishment” as well."
-Edward T. Babinski
"Jesus loves you unconditionally, and if you do not believe it you will when you are in hell."
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| THe Wrath Of God, or not, depending on the interpreter.
Posted: 8/21/2012 5:52:06 PM | It's human nature to rationalize. Man's need to have a purpose and the forming of religion coupled with an acute imagination and some intriguing, although mostly hearsay scriptures written by man himself (whatever other claims there may be about them), can make some come to interesting conclusions.
I would hope for a God who allows the learning process of souls to continue without impeding it with often nihilistic vengeance. | |
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