| | Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?Page 1 of 2 (1, 2) | | Jerry Sanduskey is in jail, Joe Paterno is dead and the rest of the top administrators are now gone from Penn State. Should Penn State football and other sports programs be shut down for a time-like 2 or 3 years in light of this Freeh report that is out today? Should they just start over from scratch??? | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/12/2012 6:20:04 PM | Penn State is just a symptom. Frankly organized football in the States, from Pop Warner to the NFL needs a complete rethink.
When you see high school programs where kids are dying from dehydration on the practice field; supposed college students who emerge with degrees without going to classes, all for the benefit of the football program; pro athletes who never make the bucks (most pro careers last less than three years).
When you look at the entire NCAA, it's shocking. There's a NY Times columnist who has been harping on it for a while now. It's ridiculous that at every university with a major football program the highest paid faculty are the coaches. These are universities. A Nobel Prize should trump a Bowl appearance. It's all subsidizing a farm system for a professional league where contracts are only binding on one party. Teams can walk away from any 7 year contract at any time, but the player can't. In college, the players have to devote more time to practice than study. Now they want a playoff for college football. Never mind that these games would be happening during Christmas exams - nobody even pretends that these guys are real students. Even the President has endorsed the idea. | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/12/2012 6:22:17 PM | Too much money involved to shut down any major college ball team. You see in sports ( the New religion) all morals and what is right take a back seat to the mighty dollar.
If everything was fair in college sports, we wouldn't have some 70 IQ knucklehead gang banger going to a prestigious college on someone else's dime. Most of these sub IQ apes cannot even read and write, but they put butts in seats and sell merchandise, that's the bottom line.
PS, it's "Lose" not "Loose" | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/12/2012 6:48:05 PM | I fix stuff for a living. I believe in fixing the part that's broken, and not fixing the stuff that isn't. I also don't care for the modern tendency of all sorts of people, to try to punish everyone in sight when things go wrong, instead of going specifically after the people who screwed up.
The problems with college level sports are many, but trying to use this individual very nasty mess as an excuse to shovel all of it into a proverbial dumpster isn't rational or fair. Punishing all of the innocent students at Penn State for the egregious bad behavior of the coaches and administrators and others who made this mess happen, neither makes sense logically, nor accomplishes anything at all to discourage it from happening again.
What I think SHOULD happen, is that every single person who ought to have reported this to the authorities the very first time they heard of it, ought to go to jail, AND pay indemnities to the victims. That includes all those cover-up artists on the oversight committees, the coaches,and especially the wealthy supporters and trustees who helped hide and perpetuate it. Firing them, or taking them out of positions of authority is not enough.
However, self-righteously trying to pull down everything for everyone, to make the onlookers feel better, is against my principles. | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/12/2012 6:59:31 PM | do you have any idea how many research facilities, humanities programs, medical studies,
academic departments, and other sports penn state football pays for? the vast majority!
not a week goes by that i don't hear a national news story about some medical, scientific or
engineering breakthrough achieved by penn state researchers.
shut down football, and you've shut down hershey medical center. for starters.
vvv yes, i've seen the numbers, and i've looked at the reports. the football program
at penn state is lucrative beyond measure. it's a cash cow that the school simply
can't do without. | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/12/2012 7:33:04 PM |
If you look at the numbers, far more goes into college football than comes out.
There may be a few programs where the football program breaks even or even pays out a bit. But overall, college football is subsidized by students' tuition
Not sure where you're getting that from but in reality most (57%) college football programs make money. Basketball [too. Some make lots of money. UT netted 70 million last year. You may be confusing athletic programs with football programs. Most athletic programs lose money because well, not a lot of people come out to watch badminton and yet some of those players get full rides too. Also interesting to note is that scholarships are included in the profit scenario and make up 25% of expenses. Seems kind of odd to consider a scholarship a loss.
And to the original post, of course they shouldn't cancel football at Penn State. Why take away the good part of a terrible story? | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/12/2012 8:21:48 PM | | Seems PA enjoys having felons on their teams. From college to pro football..bunch of POS. From pedos to dog killers, it's all good. They should be proud of what they represent. They let anything slide as long as they are making money. Sweep everything under the rug. Football is more important than doing what's right. Surely, you jest. That would mean that somebody actually had a conscious. But then, that wouldn't make money. If you want to hit them where it hurts, don't attend their games, buy the apparel, and so forth. Boycott them. | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/12/2012 8:25:02 PM | | If it was cheating realated in terms of on the field actions, like if the players used a ban substance or the coaches were caught stealing play books from other teams and spying on other teams pratices then yeah those would be directly related to the sport itself, but this issue was an off the field issue which is separate from their sport teams. | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/12/2012 8:25:31 PM | The current football program has nothing to do with what happened in the past. New coaches and of course different players - and the players were never involved in the pedophilia anyway. Why penalize the new coaching staff, players, and the programs that football will pay for in the future at PSU because of the actions of people who are no longer involved with the university?
Throw the book at McQueary, Curley, Schultz and Spanier. Paterno is now beyond human actions. But don't take it out on people who weren't even at the school when Sandusky was preying on young boys. | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/12/2012 9:20:24 PM | From pedos to dog killers, it's all good. They should be proud of what they represent. They let anything slide as long as they are making money
Pretty sure Mike Vick went to jail for a couple years for that one. That hardly counts as sweeping anything under the rug or letting anything slide. Do you think all convicts should not be allowed to work or just the famous ones?
From college to pro football..bunch of POS
I guarantee you that at some point in your life, your "profession" has included pedophiles; which by your own logic makes you a POS.
and the worship of false gods
As opposed to a "real" god? | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/13/2012 10:52:50 AM | Penn State football will receive a penalty from the NCAA, but not the death penalty.
Two years ago, the NCAA handed down a major punishment to a football program after the guilty athlete was already gone: Reggie Bush had improperly received money & gifts as a student-athlete from a pro sports agent. That improper gifting was discovered years after Bush had gone into the NFL. Still there was no reprieve from the NCAA. The university's football team was ineligible from bowl games for two years (millions of dollars lost), suffered a major reduction in football scholarships for a couple years, and lost many football players who were given the opportunity to immediately transfer to another school that would take them. The NCAA's punishment was seen as a message to all its member universities that there must be institutional control over sports programs. Penn State will receive a similar punishment even though they've already cleaned-house. | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/13/2012 1:49:40 PM | | Penn State definitely needs to pay a HUGE penalty. Covering up the abuse of children by a person given privelege, trust and representation of their football program is unforgivable. Yep, the university needs to take the hurt for allowing the priority to be money, saving face...whatEVER at the expense and lifelong harm to innocent children. Don't care HOW they take the hurt....but they need to take a big one. | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/14/2012 5:42:27 AM | | ^^good point, Procol--EXCEPT that the science and math departments would likely not have the same "draw" from community...allowing Sandusky his little harem of children to pick from. Whatever the university does OR whatever penalties are implemented, there is a HUGE moral obligation to take responsibility and denounce the cover-up, the ongoing access to innocent children by a pedophile. INNOCENT victims ALREADY exist in this mess, so "punishing the innocent" has already happened and EXTENDED because of neglect of responsibility by university leaders. TOO BAD if the university takes a big hit......it needs too. How much is it worth to destroy the lives of children dependent on adults to protect them and then be subjected to exploitation by "important people in important programs"--?? There are other schools worthy of recognition for maintaining the highest standards, I'm thinkin'. | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/14/2012 10:40:10 AM |
Pretty sure Mike Vick went to jail for a couple years for that one. That hardly counts as sweeping anything under the rug or letting anything slide. Do you think all convicts should not be allowed to work or just the famous ones?
Actually, he never spent one minute in prison for killing over 10 dogs and abusing over 60 dogs. if he had, at one year minimum for each dog he abused/killed, he'd still be rotting in jail. Perhaps it's okay with you that he slammed, drowned and electrocuted the underperforming dogs and that is okay to just sweep under the rug because he can take balls to his face? He made a plea bargain. Vick was indicted in Federal Court and plead guilty to one count of "Conspiracy to Travel in Interstate Commerce in Aid of Unlawful Activities and to Sponsor a Dog in an Animal Fight Venture". He did not go to jail for killing the dogs. Just thought I'd correct you on that.
I guarantee you that at some point in your life, your "profession" has included pedophiles; which by your own logic makes you a POS.
Actually, I've never posted what I do for a profession. But I can guarantee you this. If I saw some POS harming children, you'd be damn right they probably wouldn't be walking to go to trial.
opposed to a "real" god?
Well, if someone is going to worship another, it might as well be real, right? | |
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| Should Penn State loose its Football and all physical ed departments?
Posted: 7/14/2012 10:43:15 AM | | I don't think they should lose the program. But I think anyone who had any part in the coverup should be routed, charged in criminal court and replaced. And they should keep doing that whenever there's "questionable" behavior until people start associating it with integrity instead of a breeding ground for child rapists and their enablers. | |
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