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| | Latest Barry SpeechPage 1 of 5 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) | “There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” he said. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.” | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 5:05:59 AM | He left out a very important thing which the "don't tax the rich investor" people also completely ignore:
You can't have a thriving successful and wealth generating business without having a bunch of NON rich people called "customers" buying your wares and services. The idea all too commonly being pushed right now that only the lower and middle classes (highest number of customers) should have their benefits cut, and taxes and expenses raised to deal with the economic downturn, is sheer idiocy. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 6:10:26 AM | “There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.
And, for the overwhelmingly vast majority, he is absolutely correct...
A certain crowd in the US seem to forget that it isn't 1850 anymore... long gone are the days when ALL roads were 'unimproved', little more than 'trackways' for the most part... when there were no 'public utilities' to connect to...
Long gone are the days of towns without water, sewer or electrical services... the days when travel between towns was, largely and literally, 'overland' and 'off-road'...
The days when nothing more than "spit and grit and grit and spit" was all that was required have been gone for generations... Some, it seems, are far too enamoured with their own 'self-deluding stories' of themselves and their 'independance' to understand that... | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 6:27:14 AM | What a crock of Liberal BS....everyone in America uses the same roads and what not..some exceptional people work hard made sacrifices take risks and achieve financial success. Kudos to them. Funny to see Libs buy into this BS as something that lessens the achievement of "Successful" people..I guess all those Government employees, Students,Small Business loan and Grant recipients, Grant Recipients, Scholarship recipients who received these based on the color of their skin do not deserve to be successful because they didn't make it on their own...
It is obvious that most of you never started a business from the ground up...people may use roads and what not but while others are sleeping and watching TV many of these motivated entrepreneurs are working 20 hour days, investing all of their savings, and what not to grow their businesses... | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 6:29:15 AM | The President is right in his observations IMHO. The roads, bridges, schools and public use systems in our country were a group effort. Built by it's citizens to benefit it's people and promote commerce and civilization.
Now, it seems to me that the very rich have forgotten where they came from. Corporate America has globalized it's operations in favor of cheap labor. Presidential candidates and corporations offshore their profits to avoid taxes. They lobby congressmen to further skew laws in their favor.
Of course these entities don't need or care if Americas infrastructure is maintained. They don't use it like the average joe does. To me, It's starting to seem to me that the corporations have no use for America or Americans at all...
Until, they need someone to buy their imported products. Then, they'll slap an American flag on their product in a prominent place, package it in Red White and Blue and do everything but whistle Yankee doodle dandy to make a sale. All the while making sure to hide the country of manufacture label in a inconspicuous spot.
Wealth and success are some of the things that make us great. Everyone together supporting our country is what made us mighty. Everyday people hold their fates in their pocketbooks and the future of our country. We need to start supporting domestically made products And our Govt. needs to start putting American people before her corporations. Again, IMHO... | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:08:36 AM |
I guess all those Government employees, Students,Small Business loan and Grant recipients, Grant Recipients, Scholarship recipients who received these based on the color of their skin do not deserve to be successful because they didn't make it on their own...
You are right... they don't deserve to be successful... And you know what...? Neither do the small business owners, nor the venture capitalists, nor anyone else... NO-ONE deserves to be successful... Though it does seem as though a certain crowd does think success is an entitlement, for them at least (if the post my quote comes from is any indication)...
people may use roads and what not but while others are sleeping and watching TV many of these motivated entrepreneurs are working 20 hour days, investing all of their savings, and what not to grow their businesses
That STILL doesn't mean they 'did it entirely on their own'... | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:14:28 AM | Wow. There is something completely surreal to me to declare that business owners didn't build their businesses because they had the foresight, drive, creative ingenuity and motivation to do so from THEIR OWN internal character !!--but that someone else did it for them--?? AND that more of us don't find that completely offensive! Gov't invented the internet?? Gov't built the roads so we owe it all to the gov't??? Is that the message?? Our taxes built the roads, folks....taxes from the hard working citizens of this country. Get in line, little people, you're too damn stupid and ineffectual to build anything....the gov't will do it (claim it)for you and they will be your employer, provider. Bow to the state, now little sheep.
Every small business owner I've known has put in the long hours, the hard work and devotion to get their little business off the ground...this is how small businesses grow, employ others and become big business. The problems with big gov't today are the ties to big banks, corporate cronyism and special interests influences in the rule of our country. AND WHO benefits from these controls over our political system? I sure as hell don't see this president/DC representatives tightening their belts or conserving spending in these extremely difficult times in this country. He is surrounded by the special interest groups/influences/former CEOs just like the Bush administration was.
Answers to the real problems of this country?? Well, Romney isn't it either. Trouble cometh, folks...time's a-tickin'. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:28:20 AM |
Wow. There is something completely surreal to me to declare that business owners didn't build their businesses because they had the foresight, drive, creative ingenuity and motivation to do so from THEIR OWN internal character !!
Well, you are not reading very carefully... or at least failing to remove the 'filters' from your glasses... The next part I'll quote proves that...
--but that someone else did it for them--??
Where, oh where, is that said...? I'll tell you where, NOwhere... you are making that up out of your own head... Here is what WAS said...
If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.
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“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
That is a FAR cry from what you seem to have understood, in both meaning AND intent... It DOESN'T say "you did nothing" and it doesn't say "it was all done for you"... It DOES say "you had help from outside yourself" and it is completely accurate in almost every case... | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:37:55 AM |
If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” he said. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
That's a bit different from just getting a hand up.....could it be he just didn't word it more effectively. Because in this political climate I sure as heck would've found better/more effectual words to communicate as a presidential contender. We each read with "filters", ideas, reactions. There it is. I don't trust this man AT ALL. Didn't like the Bush-weasel either. Romney will be no different. Crooks with self-serving agendas, feeding the masses whatEVER will suit the agenda. Globalization. Get in line. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 8:18:56 AM |
That's a bit different from just getting a hand up.....could it be he just didn't word it more effectively.
It isn't "a bit different" and it doesn't realy need to be worded "more effectively", its 'effectiveness' derives from the context in which it was said (all that stuff before your quote, where he 'sets up' the comment, that you left out)... What you are doing is engaging in the same "out-of-context sensationalism" that the media uses to sell its wares...
Here is an example to illustrate... If I say:
The percieved colour of the sky is dependent on a number of factors such as the time of day/year, weather conditions, density of contaminates. Sometimes, under the right conditions, the sky is green.
If you quote JUST the part where I say "the sky is green" you can make it look like something said by an ignoramous even though, in context, it is a perfectly valid and correct statement...
That is what you and a certain crowd are attempting to do with Obama's perfectly valid and correct statement... | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 8:50:46 AM | No matter what the occasion, Barack Obama has but one message : selling bitterness. This has been his bread & butter for many years.
As long as someone has 1 donut, and you only have half a donut, Barack Obama will be there to convince you that the other guy owes you something. That's ALL he knows how to do, he is a professional agitator, he has plenty of experience. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:00:43 AM | Actually, pretty much all our politicians have been selling bitterness and suspicion about the "others" for a very long time. In my lifetime, liberals and conservatives alike pretend to be saints who are only prevented from taking us all back to Eden, by the unscrupulous perfidy of the other side.
The GOP has been selling the idea since at least 1980, that everything that is difficult about American life, is directly and exclusively caused by Liberalism. This despite the fact that their own agenda has changed by as much as 180 degrees on many of the things which they pretend have always been either theirs, or Liberals ideas. Liberals have been harder to pin down, not so much because they are rational or right, as because they are much less coordinated in their messages.
I found it rather amusing that, for example, while the GOP held all three branches of the federal government in their control, that they STILL claimed that the Liberals were in charge, and were ruining everything. In particular, after they had passed yet another budget under Bush 2 which was wildly unbalanced, taking us much further into the red ink, they actually went on the Radio and TV, claiming that somehow the Liberal Democrats had STILL managed to force them to do so.
When the Obama administration very briefly held sway in both houses of congress, they managed to blow their own chances to do anything right, both by caving to every little fuss the conservatives made, and by ignoring any sense of logical prioritization, and pushing what we now call Obama care through. They to claimed that the conservatives had forced their acts of foolishness.
By the way, someone mentioned "the government invented the internet" as though it was not actually the case. Actually, a Government agency, DARPA, indeed gave birth to the internet. As with most government programs, it was private enterprises use of and expansion of the original net, which led us to where we are. But the net itself was indeed, one of a great number of important modern parts of life which would not have come into being, had it not been for Federal intervention. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:09:19 AM | For those who take issue with what the President is saying here, perhaps you should ask yourselves why Somalia doesn't engender the most successful businesses, as government free and unencumbered as it is.
And why do so many successful businesses originate in countries with a strong infrastructure, public education, well funded law enforcement, government subsidies, extensive labor laws, safety regulations, etc.?
Not very tough questions, really.
Even the Gipper stimulated the economy with massive defense (government) spending that fueled the aerospace and technology sectors. TRW, General Dynamics, McDonnell Douglas, and Boeing weren't exactly making their riches in a government spending free vacuum! | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:09:29 AM | what a crock........the man knows....nor has he ever contributed anything about ot to our economy
yes..a lot of wealthy americans do want to give something back.....usually thet do so in the forms of jobs.....however........ole barry and his chronies have made that next to impossible
want to help the economy?.........shytecan nafta and put the same tariffs on imported goods as exported american goods have
quit giving people handouts that havnt earned them..............trust me.....give an american a job with a decent wage.........they will make the dream happen........and decent wage doesnt mean something like the auto workers get............ | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:18:44 AM | Re: Msg 14 - Actually many successful businesses DO operate in lawless countries with no infrastructure.
Those CEO's are called "warlords", and they use 4x4's with machine guns as marketing tools.
And when the major stockholders have a meeting, if they don't agree with the boss, they shoot him and the next guy becomes CEO. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:20:18 AM | The guy really is just a big troll. Why can't he just say what he means instead of poking hopelessly confused republicans all the time...
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together
Wouldn't that simple last line have been easier than all that nonsense about roads and bridges making dumb people rich? What happened to decent speeches...like "Ask not what your country can do for you..."? | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:23:53 AM | Re: msg 16
Indeed, but I didn't feel a great need to specify that I was obviously referring to lawful, legal enterprises of international repute. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 11:16:00 AM |
“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
So true, as to claim that someone is not successful because you think they did not work hard enough proves that you have no idea what it takes to be successful.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” he said. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
The grand irony that people will claim that the government does not create anything of value with respect to commerce and then debate it on the internet.
The irony, it burns.
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As long as someone has 1 donut, and you only have half a donut, Barack Obama will be there to convince you that the other guy owes you something...
As long as some guy has a million donuts and you only have a half a donuts, Someone will be there to convince others that it is your fault because you did not get enough donuts and that you should have zero donuts and people should stop passing rules on why they just can not steal all the donuts they want.
...That's ALL he knows how to do, he is a professional agitator, he has plenty of experience.
You really think he is up there with douche bags like Hannity and or Limbaugh? | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 11:23:23 AM | Roads are a necessity. One which central government had a role in creating and keeping up. These BASICS I don't think anyone has an issue with central government taking the reigns, so long as the "no-bid contract" parade doesn't become the norm. But the size and roles of central government have far outgrown their stated purpose. The fact a pact of private international banking cartel members control it all is a bit disconcerting. This is the "system" now.
The tech bubble has been building again, as it did under Clinton. The public servants/unions of course get their "plug" in his speech. Considering most analysis of our infrastructure has it rapidly decaying, he could have perhaps used a better example? (Ummm...military made the internet for a Nuke-proof way to communicate, not so that we could have cooked-books "Facebook" IPOS.)
Barry is a puppet friend of bankers and business, just like the other side. "Even Warren Buffet agrees with me" just tells you how far up his "friends" are. Puh-leeze. The political process has been hijacked by corporations, as the founding fathers warned. We may as well acknowledge this rather than bickering over our "choice" in the two parties, and determine how to move forward beyond the corrupt "system."
When Barry talks about bringing back corporate charters, I'll know he's serious. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 2:41:16 PM | NEWSFLASH!!....Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, and the Wright Brothers did'nt do it themselves!!....the Govt. did it for them!!
First... Obama's statement doesn't say "the Govt. did it for them"... but nice attempt to play "FOX commentator"...
Second... At its most basic, do you really think that Ford's autos would have amounted to much if a system of gov't franchised/chartered improved roadways had not already existed...? And let's not forget the HUGE boost that gov't gave him by buying hundreds of thousands in his first few years of production (almost 400,000 in 1917 alone)...
How far do you think the Wrights would have gotten if the gov't hadn't been their first (and biggest for several years) paying customers...?
And, of course... Let's not forget gov't patent protection, this was particularly important for the successes of the Wrights and Edison...
Nope... the gov't didn't do one damn thing that ensured their successes... no siree... | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 2:49:15 PM | | ^^^^ Good points, however, just as is the case today, business tends to bankroll initiatives and legislation which benefit themselves and their continued financial success. I have nothing on which to base this, but could Henry Ford helped to place candidates and legislation to pave the roads ensuring their continued success? I think that gets to a large root of the problem where we find ourselves today. Corporations have hijacked the political process, and the legislation which results serves their own interests. The forefathers warned of corporations for this very reason. The foxes are in the hen house. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 3:39:37 PM |
A certain crowd in the US seem to forget that it isn't 1850 anymore
You must be talking about so-called liberals, who are living in the past, still pushing long-discredited social and economic theories. Marx died a long time ago--and so has the Soviet Union.
As for what the Constitution authorizes the federal government to do, that changes only because of amendments. It does not change because some mob of dim bulbs who fancy themselves "progressive" asserts that the Constitution should be given some unreasonable interpretation to allow socialized medicine or free access to other people's wallets or whatever it is they happen to want.
Some, it seems, are far too enamoured with their own 'self-deluding stories' of themselves
It is Mr. Obama and his acolytes who have deluded themselves with dreams of a collectivist utopia.
Long gone are the days of towns without water, sewer or electrical services... the days when travel between towns was, largely and literally, 'overland' and 'off-road'...
What of it? I have seen this same phony trick a dozen times or more on these threads. You are trying to conflate what states may do with what the federal government may do to suggest, falsely, that the powers of the two are similar. They are not.
States have inherent power to make laws and policies related to the public health, safety, and welfare. The federal government has NO inherent powers, but only the limited and enumerated powers the states and their people chose to grant it in the Constitution.
When a state chooses to invest in roads, utilities, schools, public safety services, these things generally benefit its residents. They allow them to do more than they could individually. States can do as much of that as they like--nothing in the Constitution prevents it.
But the federal government has no general authority to provide services like those. Millions of people have succeeded spectacularly in this country for a long time without significant federal assistance. Implying we'd all go nowhere fast if all Washington provided was a military, a currency, an open system of commerce, and a few other basics is a transparent ruse to justify an even more overreaching, lawless federal Leviathan. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 4:06:15 PM |
As for what the Constitution authorizes the federal government to do...
All that blather about the Constitution in a thread about a comment that has NO MENTION of the Constitution... or even any bearing on it...
What an incredibly dim-witted, ridiculously irrelevant, supercilious attempt to appear intelligent that little (well, actually, long) diatribe is...
And doesn't even come close to being OT... careful there, someone might report the attempted hijacking...
Now... do you have anything on topic to say...? Even something that comes remotely, vaguely close to actually answering the post you were responding to might be good...
Or do you intend to continue attempting to hijack the thread...?
Mungojoe....we're talking about two very different governments here.
So then, you admit that the post I replied to was really nothing more than a gratuitous attempt to take shots at Obama, no real substance... | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 4:33:05 PM | well, it happens every time....political discussion online always resorts to things like this:
What an incredibly dim-witted, ridiculously irrelevant, supercilious attempt to appear intelligent that little (well, actually, long) diatribe is...
We don't seem to make any headway in learning from one another and ego takes over. I don't usually post on these political forums for that reason and no one changes each other's minds. Gets old quick. So Mungojoe is right in his own mind and has shown that he will resort to belittling and think himself "intelligent". Sigh. Yay. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 6:32:47 PM | Look, you can't hold yourself above the political fray, and then post such ugliness.
In the lines quoted in the OP, there isn't anything controversial there. It's an aphorism that there's no such thing as a self made man. We all depend on others.
You, on the other hand twisted it in weird ways.
Sure, Obama is very conservative. But that's the political climate now. We had the 40 year anniversary of Title IX last week. That was brought in by the then-standard bearer of the right in America, Richard Nixon. He also brought in the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, EPA, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, PBS, NPR, went to China, opened up detente with the Soviet Union and planned on bringing in national health care until Watergate derailed it. That was right wing in America in my memory. Nothing Obama has done is even close to being as progressive as what Nixon did. | |
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