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Posted: 7/30/2005 9:35:05 AM | General society seems to have evolved into believing it's ok to freely have intimate relations with most of the people you go out with starting with the first 1-3 dates, and many of these people have had multiple partners in their lifetime, but yet these same people can be very judgmental and think it's totally wrong for someone to cheat on their spouse, and it's even wrong if you're in a relationship to have anything whatsoever to do with the opposite sex, including just talking or even normal conversation! But I don't understand this way of thinking. Isn't a sin a sin, or is it that some sins are supposed to be "bigger" sins then others?
I've noticed opinions vary widely in this regard, and I do know of a few examples of where men and women are just normal non-intimate friends, though admittedly more often then not attempting these things doesn't work. | |
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Posted: 7/30/2005 1:49:47 PM | Matthew 5:27-28
27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
The binding of two to one is marriage, and marriage then was discussed by the parents and if they came to an agreement they would let the younger ones engage. The bride might go to live at the groom's house or she might not leave the father's home till a year after marriage.
The true sin is to want the want of a woman other than the one you ae connected to in marriage. Now tthe word marriage must be defined as God's view just as with his divorce rules all others are of this world and not god's will.
Exod 20.14, Deut 5.18
Matthew 19:17-18
"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
18"Which ones?" the man inquired. Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Galatians 5:19
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
People's desires make them give in to immoral way, fithy thoughts and shameful deeds.
1 Thessalonians 1:3-8
3Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
4Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
5For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
6*And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.
7So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.
8For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.
*Acts 17.5-9
Hebrews 13:4
4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Christ went once for all into the most high place and freed us from sin forever. He did this by offering his own blood....Heb 19.12
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Posted: 7/30/2005 2:44:09 PM |
General society seems to have evolved into believing it's ok to freely have intimate relations...
to be precise, some societies accept it; not the Muslim or Hindu or some other societies.
cheating is, well... cheating. it brings up a lot of unreliability about the person. if they both agree to have sex with other ppl after they get married, then it is another story. if someone cheats (which is a form of lying) on me then i can't assume that i can confidently rely on this person about some serious matters.
now, why do they have a big issue if you dont cheat, but rather openly have some sort of relation with another person? First of all, it's a society imposed behaviour. That is the primary cause. Secondary causes are jealousy, wanting to own someone completely, not keeping the provision open for one's partner to develop a future relation with another person, distrust on the partner, physical need, etc... | |
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Posted: 7/30/2005 3:41:05 PM | Lets get the definitions straight before we discuss this any further:
Christian Fornication:
Our blessed Lord Jesus Christ wants all young people to go into marriage as virgins. For the peace and happiness of all young people who love Christ, we bring this message of God's Word: God wants you to remain virgins before marriage. The violation of this is called fornication.
Christian Adultery:
Several years ago it would hardly have been necessary to discuss the meaning of “adultery.” Virtually every educated person knew that “adultery” is a sexual relationship that somehow or another breaches a marriage relationship. In recent years though, a new view of adultery has been espoused by a minority element within the church. It is the notion that “adultery” is merely the act of repudiating one’s marriage vows (whether or not the covenant-breaker ever enters a new marital union).
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Posted: 7/31/2005 7:39:44 AM |
Sin is sin. Sin is all equal. Lying and murdering is the same, Please supply Bible verses for this. Gawd does not appear to punish this way. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2006 10:48:56 PM | Vermonter:
Sin is equal according to NIV & KJV of the New Testament.
NIV James 2:10," For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
KJV James 2:10,"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." | |
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Posted: 6/25/2006 11:48:00 PM | | Some sins have bigger consequences than others. Its like comparing a sunburn to a burn your prb. get by putting your hand on a stove. A sunburn can heal over a few days but a 3rd degree burn takes longer to heal. So yes i think there is a difference is levels of sin. Fornication can lead to unwanted pregnancy, shame, guilt and someone getting what they want and leaving. Adultry can down right destroy a marriage. In almost all cases or most one spouse will file for divorce and there will be plenty of heartache that follows. So yes i think a fornication is easy to get over and go on with your life that is if no harm done like getting a disease or someone getting pregnant. Adultry just flat out is a much harder to get over sin. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 4:47:46 AM | OP:
I think it's a personal relation issue, honestly, at least as far as secular viewpoints are concerned. Fornication, ie. sex outside wedlock, is just single people knockin' boots, and that's their choice. Adultery, being the betrayal of a spouse, is a trust and relational value issue.
Put it this way, if I'm single, I've got the option to sleep with someone I date. That's my choice, dig? But, if I'm with someone else (married, in a relationship, formally dating, whatever), I have an obligation to consider their values and emotional well-being and make my choices accordingly. Defenestrate got it all pretty much right.
However. As for someone getting bent out of shape over whether or not their "significant other" is hanging out with someone of the opposite sex, there's a lot of considerations that go into it. If someone I'm dating tells me they're entirely devoted to me and to "us", then goes out and hangs out with friends of either gender more than they spend time with me, I'm certainly going to wonder how much they value me or the relationship. If, on the other hand, someone I'm seeing decides they want to go off because I have dinner with a female friend every once in a while, that's a personal issue, probably related to self-esteem, and I would hypothesise is manifesting as jealousy. I don't do jealousy. Too much of (again) what Defenestrate was talking about: the ownership thing. Slavery is dead, folks. Nobody owns nobody, and if someone wants to make a decision that someone else doesn't like, it's time for some serious communication. Or a hardcore reassessment of the relationship.
Lets get the definitions straight before we discuss this any further
I'd tend toward calling those interpretations, but if it works...
As far as the sin issue is concerned, you kinda gotta get into interpretive angles on that, too. Sin against a given religion's god isn't necessarily consonant with sin against a particular individual, although they do overlap more often than not.
Here's the score on that one.
What you got is, at least in the Judeo-Christian tradition, a God that says, "thou shalt not", and if you do, you're screwed (and not in the relatively "good" way). His big thing, according to most, is absolutes, and woe betide the fool to try and play with boundaries He sets up. Genocide, serial rape, taking a cookie when Mom says no, sin in general keeps you out of the Kingdom. No ifs, ands, or buts. Theologians can gripe and quibble about the size of rocks used for stoning people being relative to the crime committed, but as far as Jehovah and Christ are concerned, it's one size fits all. And there's only one way to get absolution: surrender.
On the other hand, with the fingers pointing the other direction, you got sinning against an individual. Like I said, you're going to find a lot of overlap with most deities' spiritual no-nos, but in this case, we're looking at it from the perspective of the "victim" (for lack of a better term). Murder someone, beat somebody down, steal from a guy, yeah religiously it's all sin, but it's incrementally "worse" in the eyes of the dude getting done to. Let's get back to personal examples to put it in perspective. I lie to a chick I'm going out with, she's going to be pissed, but I might be able to make it up to her, particularly if she thinks I had a "good" reason for doing so, or if it's the only time, right? I cheat on her, she's going to want to castrate me. I might have a hope of getting back in her good graces, but it's unlikely. Both scenarios, I'm being "unfaithful," but sex is a no-fly zone. Too much at stake, too much being shared. You just don't do it without a prior understanding. Now, a woman wigs out because a dude spends the evening in otherwise innocent company with another female, and depending on whether or not he knew ahead of time that his significant other was that psycho, the call is up for grabs as to whether or not he was sinning. The lady may think so, but I doubt the guy would, unless he knew ahead of time that doing so would hurt her. Personal gig, there, not necessarily directly related to "Thou shalt..." and only arbitratable by the woman in question. Forgiveness? Her call, and atonement according to her rules.
Getting back to fornication and adultery, yeah they're both religious no-gos, but in the eyes of a woman, that ring on her finger is supposed to mean something. And hell seriously hath no fury in that case. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 7:33:09 AM | Fornication creates attachments that last into the future. Closeness, touching and fusion of hearts, the essence of what you are, and of wills and emotions and minds. His will, his body, in her body, so expression of will in her senses. So will and emotions in climaxes union and will as according to will... it is the strongest union possible on earth. They are "more than friends."
So the person enters with a different person into marriage afterwards, but is already married and attached to someone, the "old flame" who can return. It is one of the three main causes of adultery in the USA, From 20/20.
Soul ties and a divided love and friendship. That is not good preparation and could mean a weaker commitment. Also jealousy and rivalry, comparisons, a hurting ego. The honour of being the only one and first is gone, some value honour.
The shaking is with a style of worldliness and is in the history of the body. And the sin is in the blood into the next generation.
It is in the spirit, soul and body for life.
It is also an injustice. Friends with a rival. What does that do?
Adultery involves knowing someone and their worth and not esteeming them worth being faithful to. Sexual betrayal, making friends with an enemy, more than friends. Taking a union of two and adding a third, who is in union with ten. It is unholy.
It goes against everything marriage is about. Love, in loving an enemy and it's cruelty to a spouse, who is more than, more than a friend, or supposed to be. It is friendship with and enemy of the family and involves the whole body, mind, will, emotions, and heart. So the show of friendship afterwards to the spouse is hypocritical, the real person is hidden. Hidden behind like a thin rubber mask of skin colour.
It is an injustice to go into sex with a spouse who doesn't know and wouldn't do it if he/she knew.
It breaks trust. It breaches home quarantine.
The family honour is given to an outsider and is lost. The honour of being intimate with her or with him is lost. Years are given to a cruel one.
The shaking is with a style of worldliness and is in the history of the body. And the sin is in the blood into the next generation.
I would rather lose a house and a car to fire, than a wife to a one night stand or a fling. Especially if he was "better" or covered her more strongly than I can...
Jesus lists the evil things He didn't father starting with murder, then adultery, then fornication, then theft...
It is in the history of the spirit, soul and body for life.
Breaching then love, friendship or marriage, trust, honour, and holiness.
Their is a dignified way of having sex, shaking the body, and holiness is actually the most important aspect I mentioned in marriage! The two hearts are one apart from others.
A counselor may say it is love and friendship that matter. A soldier says honour. A Dr trust and quarantine. A christian says holiness, sanctification.
Adultery can hurt children's lives. It is often the boyfriend who wants something from his divorcee girlfriend's little girls or boys that he shouldn't. Their is illness too.
It is horrible to think of what evil is in the heart of the adulterer, and the overestimation of character, by the persuasion of smooth words and clear clean white skin and sexual skill. Then for this one to have the other person as their own sexual possession, incorporating their will in the other's senses and bringing heart into heart for union.
Can a person love enemies, or does that end the love. Leaning physically away and perhaps moving out...
There are the most important things, life, in it, love, friendship, honour, trust and holiness. Unclean or evil deeds hurt these things. So Jesus lists the things He did not father, murder, adultery, fornication, theft... in deliberate order. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 7:53:37 AM | By T Lover:
“Isn't a sin a sin, or is it that some sins are supposed to be "bigger" sins then others?”
In my opinion some sins are “bigger” than others. A simple lie can be bigger than a murder. If someone lies or conceals the truth - and as a result - many people die then “that lie” can be classified as a “BIG” sin. It won’t be just a simple lie anymore. That “lie” could be equal to “murder”!!
If you know that someone’s drink is poisoned by another person but you keep quiet and let that person drink it and as a result “die” - then your sin of “keeping quiet” could be viewed as an equivalent to the sinful act of that “murder”. Unless you have a self-preserving or safeguarding reason to look the other way – your failure to help save that victim can make you equally guilty as the active participant of that murder.
If a simple lie or a simple act performed by you - inflicts pain among others or causes deaths and destruction – then your sin (in my book) would be more intense than what you might think. It would be measured on the same scale as the sins of any bigger crime that might take place in that chain reaction that you started with your so-called simple lie.
So you see – “a lie” could be simple or “a lie” could be deadly. It all depends on the end result. This is why lying is banned!!
We are not 100% sure about God’s judgment methods BUT I can confidently say that – God’s system won’t be and couldn’t be blinded by anything. God knows everything and will judge accordingly. I must add that – just like our sin might be measured according to the damage it may cause towards another or a society as a whole – similarly if any of our good deeds creates a chain reaction of blissful scenarios – then it will also be rewarded accordingly.
The primarily difference between fornication and adultery is – in one of them – a third person gets mentally, emotionally and possibly physically hurt (if he/she finds out about the cheating). That’s right! The person who gets cheated on doesn’t only get emotionally hurt through that insult but she can also be endangered to catch diseases unknowingly from someone she might not even know! “Adultery” is a deceiving act. It deceits an innocent and thus a bigger sin than fornication.
Whether today’s society accepts it or not – many religion considers fornication as huge sin as well. However the primary reason (as I pointed out) I consider “adultery” as a “bigger” crime is because - you ALSO hurt/insult another bystander in the process. With that added offense – it makes adultery a bigger sin.
The person who gets cheated on (obviously) doesn’t deserve to be hurt in that way.
To cheat on a significant other is totally “unwarranted” because one can always get a divorce first. Some religion might make divorce hard to get but I believe they got it all wrong. The God I believe in – would allow divorce over suffering anytime!!
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Posted: 6/26/2006 8:54:38 AM | Since I don't recognize the existence of a god, nor the authority of any religious denomination, I don't believe in sin. I do believe in ethical treatment of others, which is sometimes (but not always) reflected in laws. Sex in and of itself is not bad or evil - it is good. It only becomes bad if misused or abused.
To me, there is no such thing as fornication. Consenting people of legal age can do whatever they want to do, in my opinion. It only becomes unethical if they deceive or harm their partner, because that violates the intent and scope of the consent.
Adultery is still somewhat relevant, but only in the sense of a violation of your word and the betrayal of trust. Simply, it is cheating, where you break your word to another. If you have openly and consensually agreed with your spouse that it is okay, then ethically you are doing something allowed - but must disclose this to any new partner who may have expectations about your status and availability. If you do so, and they are okay with that, ethical considerations are satisfied.
In my opinion, cheating is abhorrent, and says much about someone's poor state of enlightenment and ethics. It is always better to dissolve an existing relationship before moving on to the next. I don't think it is unethical to dissolve a relationship, even if only one party wants to do so - there is no benefit to be derived from a forced union. Force and coercion are unethical. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 9:20:33 AM | I think people have a bigger problem with adultery because it's breaking (in most cases) vows that were made and as such is a violation of a contract. The attitude seems to be that pre-marital relations are as natural as test-driving a car whereas adultery calls first into question one's honor in the pledge to forsake all others unto death and then questions all other vows made by that person...sickness and health, love and cherish, richer or poorer...the whole nine yards.
Personally, my best relationship started with first date sex and lasted for three years. Consequently, I am much friendlier to pre-marital sex. Plus with the divorce rate at 50% or better, it doesn't inspire much confidence in the whole until death do us part bit.
As a married friend told me the other day, if 50% of marriages end in divorce and the other half end in death, then it's a losing deal either way. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2006 6:32:47 PM | The way I understand it is that fornication and adultery are one and the same according to the Bible's understanding of adultery. Fornication is cheating on your significant other, self AND God included. ( Adultery can also include idolatry because that in essence is cheating on God.) All pre-marital sex is NOT necessarily fornication. Fornication is a very serious sin which would most likely ban you from heaven if you don't have a chance or choose to repent. If all fornication was pre-marital sex, that would sure mean alot of people never having a chance to get into heaven. (Revelation 21,8) And most modern translations use the "sexually immoral" description , not "fornication" to describe adultery/fornication/idolatry. Do you really think God would put you in the lake of fire if you made love with your boyfriend/girlfriend.? Come on now, really! I dont worship that kind of a God!
I say learn to follow your conscience! The truth is within you! I suppose if one put sex, (any kind of sex, before God that would be serious fornication).
And remember that He who Christs sets free is free indeed! ( one of my favorite scriptures) Thanks Be to God! | |
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Posted: 11/6/2006 7:23:50 PM | As I understand it, the concept of fornication as "pre-marital sex" is actually a fairly modern one...as in not Old Testament theology.
In fact, in Scripture, an unmarried Jewish woman who was no longer a virgin was either: 1) the victim of rape (Deut. 22:25-27); 2) a virgin seduced by a man (Deut. 22:29-29, Ex. 22:16-17); 3) a harlot (Deut. 22:21); 4) adulterous (Deut. 22:23-24), or 5) a slave (Ex. 21:7-11).
In the case of rape, the rapist was to die. This assumed, of course, resistance, thus the caveat about rape in the country.
In the case of a virgin seduced by a man, unless the father objected the man was to pay the bride price and the woman was his wife.
In the case of a harlot in the house of her father, the penalty was death.
In the case of the adulterous woman (a woman betrothed who was unfaithful to her vows) the penalty was death.
In the case of the slave deflowered by her master, her owner could either, a) continue with her as his wife, or; b) set her free without payment of money.
Modern views of marriage, sex and virginity are at odds with this...however, these are the modern views and not those represented in the world of the pre-common era writers.
Ultimately, it's the Bible which describes marriage as the product of a covenant, not as a ceremony, legal agreement, or public vow, but the actual physical union of man and woman...
So you go into the tent, "know" each other willingly, then, move on...and if God wills it, you fulfill his other commandment and are fruitfull and multiply.
But it's not a high view of marriage that created these views, rather a low view of virginity, or the consequenses of normal sexual activity, and perhaps the most likely reason, that marriage was less about fulfillments of divine will than about management of estate transferrence to first-born sons and an unwillingness to create confusion in that area.
Of the negative prohibitions in Torah that are also in the Noachide Laws for observant Gentiles, I don't see anything that would equate fornication to pre-marital sex.
"Against [a man] having union with his mother." (Negative 330)
"Against [a man] having union with his sister." (Negative 331)
"Against [a man] having union with the wife of his father." (Negative 332)
"Against [a man] having union with another man's wife." (Negative 347)
"Against [a man] copulating with a beast." (Negative 348)
"Against a woman copulating with a beast." (Negative 349)
"Against [a man] lying carnally with a male." (Negative 350)
"Against [a man] lying carnally with his father." (Negative 351)
"Against [a man] lying carnally with his father's brother." (Negative 352)
"Against engaging in erotic conduct that may lead to a prohibited union. [That is, petting by persons whose marriage would be illicit.]" (Negative 353)
Just no animals, and nobody else's current wife or men with men...interesting...nothing about women with women...no further comment on that one. So unless you simply choose to misinterpret what the Jewish Words in the Tanach (aka The Old Testament) mean to mean whatever you want - a common past-time for many fundamentalists I have heard - then the fornication definition is not the same as adultery. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2006 7:29:34 PM | And, If someone is judging your sin worse, trying to say that your "adultery" is worse then their "fornication", they are in great need of taking the plank out of their own eye before trying to take the speck out of their brother's eye. Fornication falls in the same category with Adultery! Look at the 10 commandments! Not one commandment says, thou shall not commit fornication. Fornication and Adultery are BOTH mortal sins from what I have been told. If you are guilty of fornication or adultery you need to repent STAT! They fall under deadly lust! Like revelation describes all those lusty sins that are of the HUGE sin variety which will land you in the lake of fire. Revelation 21, 8.)
But here is the problem: The book of Revelation's author's understanding of the word FORNICATION or SEXUAL IMMORALITY. I believe Revelation was written in Greek first. So the greek word for fornication may be different from the english translation of the Greek word for fornication or sexual immorality. It is true the Webster's describes fornication as pre-marital sex. But 2,000 years ago I am sure the definition could have been totally different. But I still hold the view until proven otherwise that fornication and adultery are equally as bad. I am certain pre-marital sex is not fornication! Although it COULD be in certain circumstances.
Even though I know I am "free" I also try to work out my salvation with fear and trembling always! (As so the scriptures suggest.)
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Posted: 11/6/2006 7:42:02 PM | My understanding is that adultary IS fornication. It is a perversion of the normal way of sexual conduct.
Anything that is out of that normal way is perversion or fornication.
Fornication can be used as an umbrella term for any unwholesome sexual act. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2006 7:49:43 PM | | Obviously if one is trying to determine what was meant I would suggest getting first getting the specific references in the Old Testament, finding EXACTLY what the Hebrew words mean, then doing the same in Greek for the New Testament and then deciding which one you are going with...for Christians, it will obviously be the New Testament. But it would be nice to know exactly what you are not doing in any case. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2006 7:54:21 PM | This is how I see things:
Adultery is only wrong because it's a betrayal of trust.
Most married couples have an implicit (or sometimes explicit) understanding that they will not have sex with other partners.
If a couple has an understanding that Sex with others is ok, then it's not morally wrong.
I have issues with open marriages but that has nothing to do with morality. Sexuality is a complex issue.
Enforcing biblical standards on sex only complicate things further. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2006 11:03:11 PM |
Our blessed Lord Jesus Christ wants all young people to go into marriage as virgins. For the peace and happiness of all young people who love Christ, we bring this message of God's Word: God wants you to remain virgins before marriage. The violation of this is called fornication. There's no real biblical support for that. The word used in the NT means "sex at a brothel".
The OT fobids virgin girls from having sex, as it devalues them as property. There's nothing against widows and divorcees, or unmarried men of all types, going hog-wild. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2006 12:04:27 AM | It's all quite simple and - surprise, surprise - nothing whatsoever to do with anything Holy, spirituality or even (especially) God.
'Ban on sex': the word 'intimacy' used by a poster is correct. This is what the people who framed this ban were - and their current inheritors still are - mortally afraid of.
You cannot get more intimate than sex and this is where you true self is revealed - or should I say, in danger of being revealed, many men (and women) have evolved brilliant strategies for revealing nothing whatsoever even i the most revealing moments...but then perhaps there is little to reveal.
'Cheating': again, excellent use of words. Essentially this means breaking the rules. The rules framed by neurotic men - and justified by their blasphemy of a neurotic God - in order to possess their women who then (as today, though in a different manner) were possessions and property.
But some rules should be broken. Some authority figures should be mocked and some 'Gods' should be dethroned.
It all depends on which side you are on........ | |
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Posted: 11/8/2006 12:13:21 AM | One more thing: theologically, these prohibitions did not exist at the time of Adam and Eve and their immediate descendants.
God had passed no laws - not even against murder so Cain broke no explicit command - and indeed said "go forth and multiply".
There were no caveats about the morals related to this and certainly no institution of marriage.
Later under Mosaic Law, there were rules instituted but these clearly applied specifically to the Children of Israel. This is a fact. Yahweh was exclusively Israel's God and had no evangelizing mission - it was accepted that other peoples believed in other Gods, it was just forbidden to Israel to adopt them.
So clearly, the Laws of the Pentateuch were not universal but specific. Before this there were no commands as such just an amorphous sense of 'wrongdoing' which has been projected retrospectively without clarification.
This can be clearly seen in the polygamous nature of early Biblical marriage - something which few Christians support now but which they should if they wish to be consistent. Which they don't.
So basically, the Xian moralist view stands or falls with Jesus - and he had very little if anything to say on it. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 11:12:17 AM | Well I guess I am going to fry in hell for fornication.
I did go to confession for having committed adultery.
(actually the ladies I did it with were too evasive or never told me they were married until I found out).
I am in incorrigible scoundrel that loves women too much.
I love them relationship wise and sexually.
But fornication with another single/divorced/widowed person can't be all too bad.
I guess the religious fathers mentioned that sex out of marriage is sin because they must have been jealous and could not get any (they painted themselves into a corner).
Hmmm. Maybe I am a corrupting influence .
I have been told I am a bad habit that is hard to break.
Or maybe I am a lusty little devil who enjoy running into a Succubus or two.
I heard them she-devils are such vixens that they will drain you entirely of energy. .
Or maybe I am a randy li'l fellow who is addicted to the company of women. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2009 11:38:13 AM | Fornication is a very serious sin. We have a duty to save ourselves for our future spouses. No one wants their future spouse to be having sex with someone now. We are called to love and care about our spouses long before we meet them, priarily by saving ourselves for them. Isn't that what the marriage gift is supposed to be, the (unopened) gift of self?
What other than the sexual act makes marriage a unique relationship? We are morally allowed to eat dinner with others, live with room mates, love people in various ways - but it is sex, which is rightly called the marital act, which seapates marriage from all other relationships.
Yes, western culture has generally accepted premarital fornication as a way of life, but it was the serious sin of contraception that opened the door and enabled the fornication culture of the past 30 years to take root. These two precursers gave birth to the abortion culture and the divorce culture.
It's all connected, as the sexual revolution inevitably evolved into the cuture of death (euthanasia is next). Our role as single people is to not only resist it but fight against it. If we don't begin to change the culture who will? | |
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| Fornication vs Adultery
Posted: 3/22/2009 11:46:34 AM | " No one wants their future spouse to be having sex with someone now."
Who want's to marry a virgin? Not me. Sex is normal and to expect a normal women or man not to have sex is just dumb. | |
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