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koiguy
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Joined: 10/21/2004
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/14/2004 7:23:40 PM | | This may just be me, but I just feel Christian are way to in your face. I mean look at gay marriage, why should there a law for that, it is a personal choice between two consinting adults to get married or not. And what about abortion the Christians don't believe in it so it should be a law? They are also quick to tell everyone that if you dont go through Jesus you go to hell, that's great but let me believe what I want dont tell me I am going to hell because I relate to the teachings of Ghandi, or Buddha. Why can't it be live and let live. Please don't flame for I am just asking a question. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/15/2004 10:16:02 AM | | Look al you crazed zelots!!! You all need to chill, especially the big three (Christians, Muslims, Jews) All of our three religions have the exact same root. everyone's bible, Koran, torah, etc talks of abraham... we are all brothers of the same book, but instead of respecting and working with eachother we wage the dumbest wars based on the dumbest principles. have u all lost your ****ing minds??? preach all you want ,climb a mountain barefoot, starve yourself... whatever... just stay out of other people's faces as far as their personal beliefs. Oh and heaven help us if 2 of different religions fall in love... I mean holy sh*t, what a catastraphy, call in the priest and Mulah, get a rabbi, we have free thinkin people round here (can't have that.) You are all slaves to a defunct and out dated way of thought. Religion is fine, sh*t i believe!! but it's my buisiness what i believe and i am gonna date and marry whoever the hell i feel i want to as long as she loves me and puts up with my sh*t (if she can do that she is truely devine in her own right.) any way all i am saying is WAKE UP IT's AMERICA NOT THE SOVIET UNION >>SO LETS DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/15/2004 12:01:35 PM | I live in a town where it's often said that the First Baptist Church of downtown Jacksonville,Florida has the most influence over city politics.Now,having said that,it's easy to see how religious zealots from all over can influence their town on a local level.If they're all in sync on an issue,say gay marriage,then it becomes a matter of national opinion.
While I can see the aggravation that can be caused (I personally get sick to death of these folks trying to shut down the adult entertainment while at the same time they want big business and events like the Super Bowl here),you have to look at who the majority is.If you go over to the Middle East,you've a religious theocracy where everything is under the dictates of Islam.Do right wing Christians represent the majority of America?I think not.
Christians,look at this,is this what you want?Do you really want religion and politics so closely linked that there is no room for outside thought?Remember your religion is based on CHOICE.Above all else Christianity is based on choice.In this world,these things you label as evil MUST be allowed to coexist with you folks who believe yourselves to be "in the world but not of it".If the dictates of your religion were so closely linked to the political structure it would be only a matter of time before it became corrupt.Just because a politician carries the label "Christian" does it mean that he actually is?And even if he is,does it mean he will always be beyond reproach?
Having seen the so called report cards during the election for how senators and congressmen voted on certain issues that labeled the liberal or conservative based on how he or she voted it confirmed what I already suspected about these folks.They are extremely ignorant on how politics works. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/15/2004 12:55:39 PM | I really hate discrimination, my mum is christian and I'm always arguing to her about the things she says sometimes it's so offensive i get really upset (LOL yes im really sensitive) If man should not be with man (like in the bible) and god really didnt want it then why has it happend??
And why shouldn't gay people be allowed to have kids? (as in adopt etc) if these kids dont have parents why the hell should people stop them from having some just because they are gay?I really dont understand it, they would relly rather the kids suffer? | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/15/2004 1:41:10 PM | | I really dont try to be up in someones face about my beliefs but if in question I will respond with what I do believe to be correct. To generalize all christians that way isnt a fair statement. As christians we are suppose to witness to others so they may come to know the lord. Soulll said that. That doesnt mean that were suppose to argue the fact, or disrespect anyone for their beliefs. We tend to stand out to more people I guess because we dont mind standing up for what we believe in. How does it make us in ur face by asking do u know Jesus? Its a simple yes or no answer, and depending on ur answer, then we can share our knowledge either way. If i asked u if u knew ur parents, and proceeded to discuss that with u would u consider me to be in ur face? | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/15/2004 2:34:50 PM | christians never said if you dont go through Jesus youll go to hell, JESUS said it. I AM the way the truth and the light.. NO MAN come to the father except thru me. people every day say things i dont agree with. i dont wine about it and say why do you say that you need to stop your discriminaing against me and my faith. i am friends with athiest,hindues and moslems. if your so sensitive why are you posting in a religion chat room? why not start your own post with your own belifes.. your quick to point the finger at a christian for there faith and judge. yet cant see that your doing the very same thing your accusing them of judging you and you standing by what you belive. see the hypocrissy? i dont mean this to be mean i am only making a point. if you lash out at some ones faith they will lash back?
besides JESUS put it in plain words for all to see...
john 15:20
20Remember If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.'[2] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21They will treat you this way because of my name, | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/15/2004 3:45:40 PM | WEEE is this a party??? I bring the food??
Cool,I'll bring the weed.Just for the record,I don't generalize Christians.For one thing there are many different varieties of Christians.Catholics,Baptists,Pentacostalists,Spiritualists,Evangelicals,Mormons,Jehovah's Witnesses,the list goes on...
What bothers me is their insistance on getting into politcal arenas and insisting that there are no compromises on their issues.As a result we see a country divided among groups that are suppposedly kindred brethren. | |
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koiguy
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Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 10 | |
| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/15/2004 3:58:58 PM |
your quick to point the finger at a christian for there faith and judge. yet cant see that your doing the very same thing your accusing them of judging you and you standing by what you belive. see the hypocrissy?
I didn't start this thread to point a finger at anyone, I simply feel, personally, that Christian beliefs are pressed upon me and wondered if anyone else felt that way. Please don't be so quick to judge me Jimmi. Do you not see the hypocrissy of it? I ask questions in the religous forms so that I can gain more knowledge of different religons, I have strong beliefs but have not yet found a religon I think is good for me. I debate with christians to gain better knowledge of where they are coming from. So far during my studies and conversations with people of all different religon's christian's have been the most off putting, I know I get an attitude in here sometimes, but that's usually from feeling attacked. I do not want to make anyone upset. For the record I believe; There is one God, and that God has many different names, and doesn't care what anyone calls him/her/it(I also think it is stupid to think an all powerful being is male or female), my God care not how, how often, where, or what you say when you pray, or even if you pray at all, just that you try to be the best person you can be, and try to show love to everyone you meet, my God believes it is how you live not what man made religon you put your faith in, my God has no room for hate, not gays, not moms having abortion's, not Bush, not anyone. I have to go to work know but I can finish after work if you want to know what else I believe. Or you have any question. | |
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jimi77
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Joined: 7/13/2004
Msg: 11 | |
| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/15/2004 5:41:20 PM | how do you feel there pushed on you? i can say in my life time i can only think of one finger pointer that pressed it on me. all the others were very nice and just talked about it. i can say i have been attacked many times over and over if i even open my mouth about my faith.
the common questions always come about.. how do you know,, your indoctranted or brain washed, there is no proof or there are contradictions in the bible or how can you say there is one way to heaven. that is fine .. i am use to it and prepared for that. I understand people have questions and play the devils advocate to get understanding.. fine. it just gets old having to rehash the same ol things over and over. for example in your origianl post... we talked about many of the topic you mentiond. yet there back up for debate.. and really i dont mind that...it intresting to learn how to anwser these questions and prod deeper in to the bible to find the answers. but they always come. i ask GOD and bingo there comes the answer. as a christian, understand it seems in todays world your always on the defence. and i understand this.. JESUS did say i am the only way and that alone will spark roits LOL.. so i understand that. but most of the people that come up and bash it really have no understanding of it or of the GOD of the bible. belive me more then a few times i have looked at GOD and said WHAT ARE YOU DOING? HELLO? but paicents and perseverance and time he will show you and it is amazing!. im my life many people have sid you have great insight.... well ? how did i get that? i am not a scholor by any means... but i did what GOD said to do... ask him for it. and he gave it. the one thing that bothers me is when people come in bashing and pointing a finger at my faith..when they know nothing about it on a leval deeper then then the news, or some child hood experiance. ther is a deeper GOD there a loving GOD, a caring GOD, one that wants and longs to make you his.. his word to you are.. the hairs on your head are numberd, your name is carved in my palm, before you were in the womb.... i KNEW you.. imagin that!. kind of freeky. i am sorry if i come accrossed as brash or harsh.. that is not my intent. it is only to state my view and what i have learned. | |
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koiguy
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Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 12 | |
| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/15/2004 6:55:33 PM | jimi if you are referring to me having no knowlege of your religion i have to tell you that i went to fifteen years of christian school, i was an altar boy for seven years, i went to christian camps all through high school and am very familiar with the teachings of the bible.
i am sorry if you feel that i am pointing fingers at you or persecuting you i am not trying to. i understand you taking the defensive because you feel as strongly in your beleifs as i do in mine. i am just wondering why it seems that christains push for laws that agree with their religion and are quick to inform people of jesus being the only way into heaven. christians have the right to beleive whatever they want. but so does everyone else.
on issues pertaining to laws i think there should be a sepparation of church and state and i feel that a lot of laws are being passed in the name of jesus.
imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and our government was run by jews instead of christians. how would you feel if they made pork illegal and working on the sabath illegal? it wouldn't make any sense to you because you don't share their beleifs.
i know you feel that jesus is the only way into heaven but a lot of other people beleive there are more ways to get to heaven. i am not telling you to change your views i'm just asking you to accept mine.
you talk about being attacked for your beleifs and how you don't like it, then why do you do it to me and other non-christians? | |
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koiguy
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Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 13 | |
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jimi77
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Joined: 7/13/2004
Msg: 14 | |
| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/15/2004 7:40:08 PM | no! i wasent referring to you not knowing anything.. in fact you have raised a few very pointed question in the past that have made me say Hummm....
ok..."i am just wondering why it seems that christains push for laws that agree with their religion and are quick to inform people of jesus being the only way into heaven. christians have the right to beleive whatever they want. but so does everyone else."
true. but as you know then we are to spread the gossple yes? also we are to warn of the wages of sin, death,and in the end hell... also how could i sit back and not warn someone of that? NOT that i push it in anyones face.. in fact if you knew me you would see quite the opposet i am quite laid back and have a knack of reaching people on there leval so to speak. or at least i am told that. as for passing laws... well what is the alternitive.. if the wages of sin is death then what does that mean to a country? god judges nations in the here and now not in the final judgment. so passing laws for this land that will contradic his word will not only anger GOD but bring down judment.. as for laws being passed in JESUS name??? have you wacthed the news? the aclu is trying to get anything and all things with JESUS or GOD off or out of every thing.. mind you it is ok to have anyother faith there. but only christian faith..need be removed. not to mention this nation was founded by christian men on christian princibals.. why should we let it go to something the contradicts the founding fathers faith and our own? fact is a law inforces someone morality on all. so why lay down and play dead?
have i attacked you? or stated my opinion? is it not fair for me to state my views in a thred that is basicly about my faith... why not a why do mouslums kill people in somlia for not converting? or a why do the hindeu praise rats and feel a bite from them is good luck when it killed half of europe? or how about that budda is that a good role model with over weight issue. also i have not started one thred that was against any other faith.. in fact i have stayed out of the pagan or wican post becasue that is not my faith.. but if were debating christianity? count me in. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2004 9:12:20 PM |
as for passing laws... well what is the alternitive.. if the wages of sin is death then what does that mean to a country? god judges nations in the here and now not in the final judgment. so passing laws for this land that will contradic his word will not only anger GOD but bring down judment..
I believe that is the whole point koiguy is trying to make... CHRISTIANS believe that "wages of sin is death", but other people, other religions do not, which is why it should not be enforced as a law. That is what is being forced on other people with different beliefs. You feel there is no other alternative, because passing a law, in your eyes, that contradicts what God says, would be catastrophic to the country. But that is the whole point. Other beliefs may think that belief is ridiculous, but have to follow it, becuse it has been turned into a political law.
You make a good point that this country was founded by Christians, so why not keep it that way... But your forgetting that the laws were also created to allow the free practice of any religion...
Amendment I of the Bill of Rights
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/16/2004 1:34:32 AM | Why do we always argue about things that have multiple meanings. Doesn't everything in the bible seem strangely metaphoric?
I AM the way the truth and the light.. NO MAN come to the father except thru me.
Doesn't that say the only way to God is through the teachings of, but not the literal being of Jesus. Considering it was said in person. And I believe "physically" for us, Jesus is manifest as love on earth and therefore we have a definitive path? We have to practice acting like him before we can expect to be more like him. Isn't that what God asked us to do? Live his will-like his son. Doesn't that mean we have to love and look out for each other like brothers despite our differences? Can someone tell me why this doesn't make sense? | |
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koiguy
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Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 18 | |
| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/16/2004 2:37:50 AM |
You make a good point that this country was founded by Christians
I am sorry but I must dissagree with you here artworkajb, but only because of the attempted genocide of the Native Americans.
or how about that budda is that a good role model with over weight issue.
Please have some knowledge about something before you thrash it. Budha was skinny, the fat person everyone thinks is Budha was a homeless man that Budha helped. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/16/2004 2:54:40 AM | Cristianity: is a conversion religion. In its core is the belief that one must be born again in order to achieve the higher plateau. So in perspective it is confrontational. I believe..and you can tell by my name, that I am no christian, that more people have a problem with being examined by christians ( who often times use poor judgement that is grounded in zealous, and not educated belief) and as a result are turned off by the examining or questioning of peoples faith. However..if you took a look at the premise of christianity..it is a beautiful religion..God is love..God is peace..God is good..God can save..God is all knowing..God is..and is..and is...
People on the other hand..suck. | |
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| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/16/2004 7:06:54 AM | You make a good point that this country was founded by Christians, so why not keep it that way... But your forgetting that the laws were also created to allow the free practice of any religion...
Not entirely.Many of the founding fathers such as Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Payne were humanistic or atheistic in their beliefs.Payne was an atheist and Ben Franklin was a Freethinker,or a predecessor to the Secular Humanists.
Actually one of the most fundamental laws concerning morality that is in our constitution was written by two Christian ministers.Its Article 1 Section 10 that states that only Gold and Silver coin can be made legal tender.It's interesting to me that out of all the laws written,this one that IS written by Chritians is the one constitutional thing that was the most trampled on.
No one else sees it.All morality hangs on economics.When a nation goes from a barter based economy (honest) to a credit based economy(crooked),then depressions and recessions can be created at will by a small oligarchy whose only interests are their own.Morality is put on a sliding scale.I don't care what you believe,when your power to provide for your basic needs is compromised,so too will your belief system.Ministers can be bought,churches,if they want to stay funded will preach anything to the masses that the financier wants them to.Where are your moral constants and absolutes now?
If Christians want to practice the Great Commision,they had better look into issues deeper than gay marriage ammendments,prayer in school,abortion and pornography.Follow the money trail people.Its that simple. | |
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jimi77
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Joined: 7/13/2004
Msg: 22 | |
| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/16/2004 6:00:31 PM | No1here.. it is very true we are to try to live like him..but... it is not our works or good deeds that save us from sin.. it is faith.. for example look to JESUS own words.
Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[1] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
The Pharisee did what was right in action but his heart was in the wronge place.he put his trust in his own action and his own greatness. the tax collector did what was wronge but was humble and knew he fell short and his heart was in the right place. good works alone will not save you even evil men do good works from time to time. | |
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jimi77
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Joined: 7/13/2004
Msg: 23 | |
| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/16/2004 6:04:36 PM | koiguy i was only making refferance to the stereo type of budda not the actual person.
"""Please have some knowledge about something before you thrash it. Budha was skinny, the fat person everyone thinks is Budha was a homeless man that Budha helped."""
"""You make a good point that this country was founded by Christians
I am sorry but I must dissagree with you here artworkajb, but only because of the attempted genocide of the Native Americans.""
you can say that but the historic record shows this nation was founded by christians. and as for the indians, although that was a tradgic chapter in this nation history you can not blame that on a faith but the hearts of men. | |
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jimi77
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Joined: 7/13/2004
Msg: 24 | |
| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/16/2004 7:01:58 PM | taurus... just addressing one of your points.
""Not entirely.Many of the founding fathers such as Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Payne were humanistic or atheistic in their beliefs.Payne was an atheist and Ben Franklin was a Freethinker,or a predecessor to the Secular Humanists.""
that is not true. Here is a quote from Ben Franklin him self.
“I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that "except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.” April 17, 1787. also
In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the necessity of a public religion . . . and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern." Consider also the fact that Franklin proposed a Biblical inscription for the Seal of the United States; that he chose a New Testament verse for the motto of the Philadelphia Hospital; that he was one of the chief voices behind the establishment of a paid chaplain in Congress; and that when in 1787 when Franklin helped found the college which bore his name, it was dedicated as "a nursery of religion and learning" built "on Christ, the Corner-Stone."
that is not the words of an humanist or atheis.
Thomas paine? He was neither a Signers of the U. S. Constitution or the Declaration of Independence all he did was write something that stirred the nation on in the revolution by accounts from his own bio.. quote- “Throughout most of his life, he was a failure, living off the gratitude and generosity of others, but his writings helped inspire a nation”… He joined the Continental Army and wasn't a success as a soldier, but he produced The Crisis (1776-83), which helped inspire the Army. But, instead of continuing to help the Revolutionary cause, he returned to Europe and pursued other ventures, including working on a smokeless candle and an iron bridge” “by the end of his life, only a handful of people attended his funeral.”
“ from his bio page…” Paine discovered that his contributions to the American Revolution had been all but eradicated due to his religious views.”
So the guy wrote some inspiring words he was far from a founding father. He was chased out of England had fled to France imprisoned there and Jefferson gave him and break and got him back to the us. He was a good writer but other then that ???? if any thing he booked out when we needed him most during the war. | |
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jimi77
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Joined: 7/13/2004
Msg: 25 | |
| Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?
Posted: 11/16/2004 7:10:13 PM | | "If Christians want to practice the Great Commision,they had better look into issues deeper than gay marriage ammendments,prayer in school,abortion and pornography.Follow the money trail people.Its that simple. " sure i would love to follow that money trail.. i will bet you that theres a chritian funded mission in you town taking care of the poor.. and that they feed over half the worlds poor just to name a few things. good point! | |
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