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| Why is smoking pot a crime? [Thread closed, man]
Posted: 8/13/2005 1:25:30 PM | This one has been explored somewhat in other threads, but the perspective is more bent on why it shouldn't be a crime. I want to hear what the nay-sayers have to say. I want to know why having and smoking (hell even growing) pot is a crime.
I have put a lot of thought into it, and I really can't think of even one good reason... | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 1:35:15 PM | Combine the effects of booze with the effects of cigarettes = effects of pot
how is pot any worse than the other two....I really haven't a clue!
Good question though. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 1:39:40 PM | I guess Jack Herer is the guy that answers this best-jackherer.com
F'in Dupont man! | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 1:41:24 PM | | About 100 years ago Charles Lindberg developed a new technique for making paper for newspapers. However, it was more expensive to make than hemp paper. So he started printing articles about how pot was making black men rape white women. It didn't take too long for pot to be made illegal after that. Then he made a killing on his new paper making process. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 1:50:05 PM | | So why are goverments everywhere (yeah theres the Yankee bullying factor, but they aren't the only thing holding it back) still clinging to this law? We all know its bogus, and there are SO MANY (successful/functional/professional/sane) potheads out there... So whats with the law? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 2:00:50 PM | | The government is very reluctant to lose any power it takes. Drug laws give them all sorts of power (no knock warrants, seizure laws, etc) so if you take away the laws (including chipping away at them) you take away the power. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 4:18:29 PM | | Charles Linberges newsprint was'nt the only reason hemp became unpopular,it also has something to do with dupont and their new nylon rope.Hemp rope was an obstacle to dupont so why not lobby the government for tougher laws against hemp.Everyone knows how popular nylon rope became. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 4:53:14 PM | | Because, like have you ever seen the old ad where the boys are smokin and you hear the Mom's voice, "Robbie get out of the house and get a job!" Robbie chokes a little on pot and says, "Yeah, ma." If you smoke pot you will be like Robbie, giggling with your friends, a perpetual loser who is messing up his mind on dope, can't ever get anywhere in life, pot messes up your mind and causes memory loss. Look at the Australian girl who recently was caught at a customs check with a load of pot in her luggage. Indonesia has strict drugs laws and the US should have also. We should take a no-nonsense approach and you would be surprised how we could reduce the problem. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 4:54:57 PM | I'm breaking the law right now....I'MGOINGDOWNMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 5:04:10 PM | Ok
I'll play devil's advocate
Allow me to precface my reply with this bit first
It is a morality thing!
Marijuana is a mind altering substance that will cause the user to become a sex crazed murderous freak and the *ONLY* way to protect our youth is to rid the world of this Abomination of the sout is to wipe it from the face od the earth.
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of course the folks believin this also think Dubya is a good Pres | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 5:58:16 PM | Here you will find the cold harsh and truthful realiy and reasons for making pot smokig a crime
uh huh
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html
When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator's comment: "When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff... he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies." In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: "All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy."
Again, racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: "Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice."
Two other fear-tactic rumors started to spread: one, that Mexicans, Blacks and other foreigners were snaring white children with marijuana; and two, the story of the "assassins." Early stories of Marco Polo had told of "hasheesh-eaters" or hashashin, from which derived the term "assassin." In the original stories, these professional killers were given large doses of hashish and brought to the ruler's garden (to give them a glimpse of the paradise that awaited them upon successful completion of their mission). Then, after the effects of the drug disappeared, the assassin would fulfill his ruler's wishes with cool, calculating loyalty.
By the 1930s, the story had changed. Dr. A. E. Fossier wrote in the 1931 New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal: "Under the influence of hashish those fanatics would madly rush at their enemies, and ruthlessly massacre every one within their grasp." Within a very short time, marijuana started being linked to violent behavior.
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."
"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"
"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."
"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
And he loved to pull out his own version of the "assassin" definition:
"In the year 1090, there was founded in Persia the religious and military order of the Assassins, whose history is one of cruelty, barbarity, and murder, and for good reason: the members were confirmed users of hashish, or marihuana, and it is from the Arabs' 'hashashin' that we have the English word 'assassin.'"
"Marihuana makes fiends of boys in thirty days -- Hashish goads users to bloodlust."
"By the tons it is coming into this country -- the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms.... Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him...."
And other nationwide columns...
"Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug."
"Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim's life in Los Angeles?... THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES -- that is a matter of cold record."
The Chairman: I would like to read a quotation from a recent editorial in the Washington And that was basically it. Yellow journalism won over medical science.
The committee passed the legislation on. And on the floor of the house, the entire discussion was:
Member from upstate New York: "Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?"
Speaker Rayburn: "I don't know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it's a narcotic of some kind."
"Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?"
Member on the committee jumps up and says: "Their Doctor Wentworth[sic] came down here. They support this bill 100 percent."
And on the basis of that lie, on August 2, 1937, marijuana became illegal at the federal level.
Times:
The marihuana cigarette is one of the most insidious of all forms of dope, largely because of the failure of the public to understand its fatal qualities.
The Nation is almost defenseless against it, having no Federal laws to cope with it and virtually no organized campaign for combating it.
The result is tragic.
School children are the prey of peddlers who infest school neighborhoods.
High school boys and girls buy the destructive weed without knowledge of its capacity of harm, and conscienceless dealers sell it with impunity.
This is a national problem, and it must have national attention.
The fatal marihuana cigarette must be recognized as a deadly drug, and American children must be protected against it.
"Much of the most irrational juvenile violence and that has written a new chapter of shame and tragedy is traceable directly to this hemp intoxication. A gang of boys tear the clothes from two school girls and rape the screaming girls, one boy after the other. A sixteen-year-old kills his entire family of five in Florida, a man in Minnesota puts a bullet through the head of a stranger on the road; in Colorado husband tries to shoot his wife, kills her grandmother instead and then kills himself. Every one of these crimes had been proceeded [sic] by the smoking of one or more marijuana "reefers." As the marijuana situation grew worse, I knew action had to be taken to get the proper legislation passed. By 1937 under my direction, the Bureau launched two important steps First, a legislative plan to seek from Congress a new law that would place marijuana and its distribution directly under federal control. Second, on radio and at major forums, such that presented annually by the New York Herald Tribune, I told the story of this evil weed of the fields and river beds and roadsides. I wrote articles for magazines; our agents gave hundreds of lectures to parents, educators, social and civic leaders. In network broadcasts I reported on the growing list of crimes, including murder and rape. I described the nature of marijuana and its close kinship to hashish. I continued to hammer at the facts.
I believe we did a thorough job, for the public was alerted and the laws to protect them were passed, both nationally and at the state level. We also brought under control the wild growing marijuana in this country. Working with local authorities, we cleaned up hundreds of acres of marijuana and we uprooted plants sprouting along the roadsides." | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 9:39:54 PM | Interesting thread. I'm still waiting to hear a logical explination as to why it's illegal. Or why people in today's society think it should be illegal.
Meekrob- you don't really beleive that do you? | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/13/2005 10:15:00 PM | The Government proclaims it a crime because they would have no control over a mellow stoned populace.
Have you ever seen anyone angry or uptight after a doobie?
It's all good....puff. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2005 12:55:19 AM | Interesting thread. I'm still waiting to hear a logical explination as to why it's illegal. Or why people in today's society think it should be illegal
http://forum.japantoday.com/Why_is_marijuana_illegal_in_the_US_%3F/m_428343/tm.htm
seems to be a topic on this forum ^ too | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2005 9:09:48 AM | That's a very interesting link! After reading it though, I do see a few things that stick out in my mind.
1. Marijuana vs. Pharmaceudical companies.- BIG deal. They DON't want to competeHalf the commercials you see on the TV are for some drug or another. (Has anyone heard the song by Lifeboy, called Underwear outside the pants? In part of the song he talks about this, and watching these commercials with the mute button on. He says something to the effect of "Oh, I want that disease...it comes with a hot chick. And a puppy." TOO funny...)
The Rx companies want to give you a drug for anything, (I saw one the other day for "restless leg syndrome" saying that some 1 in 6 people suffer from it. In my head, I'm thinking that if that many people suffer from it, wouldn't it be considered almost normal?) most of which are highly addictive, and they (IMO) don't have to worry about recruiting repeat customers.
2. Marijuana is NOT physically addictive. The shelf life of THC (the main psychoactive ingredient) stays in your body for approx. 30 days. It takes so long to exit your body that you feel almost NO withdrawl. It can be psychologically addictive, but that's like sex or gambling.When you compare it to a street drug or a Rx drug, those stay in your body for a matter of days or even hours. Certain drugs you have to be weaned off, or supplemented with another drug (like herion being treated with methadone) because the withdrawls CAN kill you. MJ hasn't ever killed anyone, unless they've been HIGHLY allergic to it. Even indirectly. Like the commercial with the little girl playing by the swimming pool, and the babysitter too stoned to realize what could happen. That would NEVER happen, you can't get that stoned. Furthermore, you cannot overdose. It is physically impossible to ingest enough reefer to make you do so. The ONLY way would be to concentrate the THC to a very strong form, and then ingest a TON of it. Even if you were able to shoot the drug through IV, you couldn't.
The only real reason I can see is just the competition with the Rx companies. Where you would need a different drug to treat each ailment, MJ can treat alot of different ailments. MJ will cure nothing, but can be used for treatment, and can be used over very long term, even for life. It does have many medicinal benifits that are often over looked and rationalized as stoned thinking. A big majority of people smoke it. We ALL know someone who does, even if we don't realize it. There is no profile for an MJ user, like ther is with say crack. You can almost look at a crackhead and know that they are. MJ is different. You CAN'T tell. I've often thought for sure people would have smoked it, only to find out that they don't. I've been very surprised by some of the people who do. Lawyers, doctors, teachers, parents, grandparents, computer geeks, sports althletes, and the list can go on and on.
The laws pertaining to the illegalization of MJ are VERY outdated. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2005 9:19:52 AM | | I don't think the Gov. has found a good enough way to get their hand in the cookie jar. If pot became legal everyone would grow it themselves denying tax money to the Gov. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2005 9:31:35 AM | | Since when has the government or any government for that matter,had the best interests of its citizens at heart? If it benefits the government it will become o.k. to do. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2005 2:55:06 PM | | They can, in my opinion, tax marijuana ,if they wanted to. They could figure out some system. They do it with Tobacco. To the best of my knowledge, it's federally against the law to grow tobacco for personal use. They could apply the same things to MJ. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2005 2:59:58 PM | I am very anti-drug and during the 60's I was a teenager and witnessed the hippie phenomenon. God kept me from trying any form of drugs. I believe God preserved me from this, although almost everyone I talk to from my generation has tried some kind of drug like pot or cocaine or LSD. I did not even try anything because of my Christian beliefs. I believe 50% of the crime in the US is drug or alcohol-involved.
Do we need stricter laws like Indonesia? Absolutely. Strict laws are the only way to put a dent in crime. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2005 3:10:44 PM |
I believe 50% of the crime in the US is drug or alcohol-involved.
You do understand the decriminalization of drugs would greatly reduce the crime rate and give your poor American prison system a much needed break, right?
If you want to abstain from drugs because of religious beliefs all the power to ya, but if you want to take MY rights and beliefs away because YOU don't like them, then that's a hypocracy. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2005 7:30:58 PM | Actually between our two main legal drug buddies (Cigaretts , Alchol) i think the gouvernment is being pretty liberal about drugs. Being an ex-pothead i know how addictive weed was with me , teens selling shit to buy weed...stealing .. killing.. etc.
All in all... the more illiegal it is the better it is for society in the WHOLE ( what the Gouvrnment cares about) People steal rob and kill for booze money ... and booze is legal. | |
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| Why is smoking pot a crime?
Posted: 8/14/2005 7:34:58 PM |
Being an ex-pothead i know how addictive weed was with me , teens selling shit to buy weed...stealing .. killing.. etc.
I don't think that was pot that you were smoking bud...
When yous' was livin' in da 'hood...
People steal rob and kill for booze money ... and booze is legal.
People steal, rob and kill for oil too. Thats more then legal! Drugs and alcohol aren't the problem, stupid people are. | |
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