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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/18/2004 2:30:10 PM | i believe in God, and because of this i believe in absolutes. therefore, i believe that there is a definitive answer to the question of whether or not abortion is murder. people here on earth can debate it, but after thinking about it the other day, the only One whose opinion i should really be interested in, is God's. from my reading of the Bible, i whole-heartedly believe that abortion is murder, from God's perspective anyway. there is really no one, save God, that could convince me otherwise.
this got me thinking of a specific scenario, which would force us to really think long and hard about what we believe. what if God, or whatever higher power you choose to believe in, had the answer in an envelope sitting in front of you. He then says, that you and you alone can open the envelope and find out just for yourself, whether or not abortion is murder. the one stipulation though, is that you have to bet your life that your belief is the right one. for example, if you believe abortion isn't murder, then you have to bet your life that your right in order to open the envelope. if you're wrong you die. if you're right, you have the satisfaction of knowing you're right. would you do it?
i'm very curious to hear others responses to this. as sure as i am that i'm right, i'm not entirely sure i could open the envelope and in doing so, risk my life.
so the question remains. DO YOU TAKE THE BET? (Please state your opinion on abortion as well) | |
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Posted: 11/18/2004 5:42:04 PM | Don't take life too seriously, noone gets out alive.
I would open it. Because I don't fully believe in God. If he gave me an envelope, that would prove his existence. If God thought Abortion was murder and murder was wrong, He would not kill me for opening the envelope because he would wrong.
If I was wrong I would die with a sense of closure like no other! Plus I dont think it is wrong. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2004 5:59:48 PM | i'm with you heftymon... if god stood before me i'd be too humbled and curious about other stuff to be worried about a freakin' envelope containing the answer to some stupid question.
and no where in the definition of the word abortion does it say you are committing "murder". i wish pro-lifers would stop their manipulative tactics and let women enjoy their right to choose for themselves. like i've said before "keep your laws off my body!" go to the "UGH BUSH AND ABORTION" thread if you want to read more about this subject... it's been beaten all to hell... let it go already!
why don't we talk about people who can't go 2 minutes without talking on their cell phones...
definition of abortion
Abortion
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The act of giving premature birth; particularly, the expulsion of the human fetus prematurely, or before it is capable of sustaining life; miscarriage.
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The immature product of an untimely birth.
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Arrest of development of any organ, so that it remains an imperfect formation or is absorbed.
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Any fruit or produce that does not come to maturity, or anything which in its progress, before it is matured or perfect; a complete failure; as, his attempt proved an abortion. | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/18/2004 6:27:28 PM | | i am against abortion. i wouldent be afriad to open the letter but i think as whosyourbadkitty said.. that would be my last concern standing in front of GOD .. i would be in awe. and probley ask him... hey what up with these women your created? then ask him... your GOD do you understand were there comming from? and what they mean? can i get a instruction book on them? LOL just kidding ladys. ...ok no i am not. | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/18/2004 7:39:09 PM | | if you are so sure that murder is a sin, put that big mac down a cow died at the hands of a murderer so you can eat its flesh. any being taking another beings life is guilty of what you call murder, got tofu??while we are talking about responsibility get your nuts cut because if you believe so strongly about abortion adopt .hundreds of thousands of children in this country need loving home will you help?? outlawing abortion will not make it go away it will it will make it dangerous and in many cases deadly.a thirteen year old is raped and impregnated by her father is that good enough cause to terminate? all of this is mute for we are both males so it is not our decision period.. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2004 8:14:47 PM | | cute jimi ;) giggle... ya, i'm with you on the whole abortion thing myself but the key word in that sentence is "myself." what other women choose is their choice, not mine. and i'd ask god if he could allow sinatra to come down and sing to me while i dance with fred estaire.(spelling?) i wonder if god does have instruction manuals on us... i'd like one too ;) | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/18/2004 9:14:26 PM | | Regardless of whether it is right or wrong in the eyes of god or whoever, it is a choice that should be made by each individual woman. There are too many factors that cannot be accounted for, social, economical...what happens IF abortion IS banned? Is it BETTER for those kids now that they ARE born and subjected to abusive homes and thrown into the system that we as tax payers ultimately foot the bill for?? I know this is a harsh way of looking at things, but the world is becoming a smaller place, what is it going be be like if women DONT have that choice?? | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 11 | |
| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/18/2004 11:58:32 PM | | God and I head to head? You GOT to be kidding....forget the envelope...I'd be all over him like white on rice! BUT...take the bet?? I'd be too busy questioning him rather closely about other things in this old life rather than that... | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/19/2004 5:15:03 AM | First of all I dont think that God would "make a bet with u" to prove that abortion is right or wrong, he has already gave the answer to that in the bible, so what would be the point. Its all in believing.
Kitty is right this has been beat to death, but I still stand by my beliefs that abortion is wrong, it is murder, and if God didnt mean for those babies to be born then he would of never allowed for the Mother to become pregnant.
If a 13 year old becomes inpregnated by her father, that still gives no one the right to abort that baby, It is Gods will, maybe to reveil what the father is doing, and if it isnt ment to be the good lord will take the child home with him himself, we as his children, men or women arent to make those choices.
And I am sure that if the lord did appear in front of u the least thing on ur mind would be if ur right or wrong about abortion, I myself would probably want to repent. | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/19/2004 6:33:16 AM | | this isn't to anyone in particular but i had to toss this thought in the arena... alot of us here hold some form of religious values and we all have to remember that everyone in this world has a different viewpoint on religion. so, with that said, although i wouldn't choose to have an abortion myself, others can and will choose that route despite their religious beliefs. and also remember, there are tons of people in this world that have absolutely no religious beliefs. the issue here really is... a woman's right to choose. and i agree that a woman should have the right to choose what to do with her own body when faced with a pregnancy she may not want, can not physically handle, or whatever the case may be. i know that if i had an abortion, went to confession(obviously i'm catholic), i would probably be banned from the church immediately. there would be no penance for me. sad thing is... i can't go to church because i take birth control pills and this is also justification for the catholic church to banish me. no one on this earth is sin free, therefore we can not judge others... life is a tough enough road for people... can't we all just live & let live? | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/19/2004 8:34:19 AM | | Maybe you're right. Maybe abortion is murder. The question now becomes- Is murder wrong? Of course I will probably experience personal attacks for posing this question, but I'll take the chance. Remember, in other cultures and other times, murder wasn't and isn't considered wrong. | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/19/2004 8:52:18 AM | I know that there are different religions and that yes a woman has her right to her very own body, and that abortion is legal, and so on and so on and so on, but these posts are my views on the subject, my very own personal opionon nothing more nothing less. In my opinion when a baby is conceived it no longer has to do with a womans right about her own body, but has everything to do with the babys right to live. I think the question at hand was UR FEELINGS not THE LAW!!!!!!!
Being catholic or baptist or methodist or what ever religion in my opinion doesnt matter, we all have our own beliefs spiritually, but as long as u can repent ur sins and ask forgivness who is any of them to cast judgement of what u done, are they ur way to heaven? I dont think so!!! The one that matters is the one that promises forgiveness!!!!
Ur absolutly right we all are born with a sinful nature, even the highest of priest sin daily, But praise the lord, God will forgive!!!!
I respect everyone as long as i am respected, and love to share my views!!!!! Peace Kitty | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/19/2004 9:06:01 AM | If god is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenovolent, which he/she/it may be, is all this discussion not ineffectual for surely, you're arguments seem to be based on the fact that god has a reason for everything and that if a woman becomes pregnant its through the wish of a higher being, is it not the possible that god has a reason for terminations/abortions.
I'm an agnostic, but it seems to me that if there is a higher being, capable of producing all that we see around us, the miracles that have occured, and capable of inspiring faith and in some cases fanaticism then it is not for me or any other mere mortal to attempt to interpret the meaning in it all. If there isnt one then it isnt a sin! | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/19/2004 9:42:56 AM | | We are not suppose to question the things that God does, and I know u wont understand that because u dont believe, but YES he does have a reason for everything, and NOTHING in this old world can take place with out GOD allowing it to happen. Again this is my belief. I am not trying to shove it down anyones throat and respect that all wont see it that way. but I do have to rebuttal in what I believe!!!!! | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/19/2004 9:46:06 AM | | No you're right i dont quite understand it, but i do respect everyone else opinion on this, i'm merely questioning why if that is the case and he does have a reason for everything we are questioning whether the people who choose to have abortions are right or wrong, surely the point is mute as it is god's will? | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/20/2004 9:44:41 PM | My belief and opinion is that abortion is wrong and murder, what makes me shake my head is how funny society can be. I mean think about it...you, being any pregnant woman (for whatever reason and let's face it, most are women that have unprotected casual sex and a small number of rapes, let's be honest - no disrespect to those that are raped) can drive to the clinic to have an abortion (where SOMEONE growing, living is ripped out of the womb and tossed into a garbage bag to be disposed of) but you, an adult and supposedly in choice with YOUR OWN BODY - but you d*mn well better being wearing a selt belt legally cuz the LAW demands that you have no choice but to protect yourself....and all the better wearing a fake fur coat as you do, cuz well.......we don't want the God's creatures killed to wear on our backs.....rolling my eyes. No disrespect to those with the other opinion, it's just how I feel.....and I also speak as a mother of three that also has endured six miscarriages and know the feeling of wanting that baby more than anything....I just can't relate to not wanting a part of me to live, to survive and flourish.....in my life or giving him or her to someone that can't have their own, to love as their own. Sigh, shutting up now, lol.
Peace and luv to y'all :) | |
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koiguy
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Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 20 | |
| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/20/2004 10:07:27 PM | | Does the fact that if abortions are illegal women will still have them, but only in worse conditions that put the mothers life in jepordy matter? Think about if abortions are illegal then the only option for the women who are going to have abortions anyway becaomes a very unsafe procedure. Regardless of what your God thinks of abortion here on earth the only logical answer is to have it be safe and legal. If you don't think that is true just look at when abortion was illegal and all the back alley abortions that still happened. And great if you think it is murder then let your God punish them, it is not our place to. | |
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Posted: 11/20/2004 10:50:57 PM | | So ok, what? we all worry bout the woman's life but not the unborn child that has no say.....no way to say "my choice is a chance to live here, give me to someone that WILL LOVE ME??" and it's not his or her fault they were created, but what little life they have we say it's ok that they are literally torn apart? Except for being raped, the woman has a choice ultimately to conceive or not to conceive....where is the baby's choice? Other than rapes and those that might lose their life by giving birth.....why is it so awful to have the baby and give it to a loving home where the couple can't conceive and want a child with all their hearts? I won't reply again, cuz this is about sharing views and conversation, I refuse to get upset over a chat forum, I am one that just cares about the baby's rights, simply put. And as far as your caddy remark about our God punishing them....well, you're right, it's not up to us to judge them......which I don't, I don't sit in any judgement of any women that have or choose to abort their child, that isn't what we any of us should ever do.....and yes, with my belief in the Bible, We will ALL have judgement by Him on all that we have done in our lives here. I just feel it's wrong, but I don't judge any woman that has one. I just know I couldn't ever live with it, but that's because I feel as I do. Each to their own view and sense of values. | |
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koiguy
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Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 22 | |
| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/20/2004 11:13:18 PM | | I do not agree with abortions, I would never want a child to be aborted(with the exceptions of incest, rape or when the mothers life is in danger). This does not change the FACT that abortions will still happen. Make them illegal and possible kill two or keep them legal and only have one death. In my mind it is better to have just one death rather than two. | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/21/2004 8:57:53 PM | you can all go to the ugh bush thread, if you want to know my story..i'm not going to go into that here.
i've stated before, that my basic belief system is christian, meaning i believe in one god, who made us all, ect......but i believe in more than that.
i believe that we all chose the paths we take..that we're all here to learn something, or to help someone else learn something. we don't remember this choice being made very often, thus the anguish, the why me's when things go badly. instead of learning what we can from what's happening and improving our souls from it, we're too busy mourning ourselves.
that said, i believe that babies. born and unborn, choose who they're born to...knowing full well what the out come will be. me, myself, i chose to be born to a mother who was much too young and much too irresponsible, who would not take care of me and would eventually give me up to someone who would take care of me, ........and even in that family, all would not be well. i've learned alot in this life, i think i've gained alot of knowledge. and i'm glad for it. ........and just as i made that choice, i also believe that every unborn baby, be it still born, miscarriage or abortion chooses that path, for a reason. to help someone else. to help them learn something. be it, compassion for others who lose their babies, patience for the right time and place for a baby to finally be brought to term, or even a wake up call, that the life they're living isn't right, and they've made a big mistake...a huge mistake and need to change the way they're living. that was what happened to me. i realized, in a short second the mistake i'd made....and the choice i'd have to make because of it. and my life has changed since then. and i've learned. i've learned that there's 2 sides to every tale...that we can't know unless we are that person. that there's more to any decision than what you see on the outside...............and that above all...think what you want, but if you believe that god think's it's wrong, then it's god's place to judge and only god's...so why are you doing it here?
i'm going to get alot of sh*t for this...so i'm deciding here and now not to argue my place on it...it won't do any good....i'll not change anyone's mind on anything..i've stated my place, and that's all i really wanted to do. i just wanted to say it's not always to black and white...and that sometimes things aren't always the way they seem...not as heinous as you'd like to make them.........it all depends on what you believe. i'll let you make your choices...you let me make mine. we'll all pay our dues at some point........let's wait until then to start the tallying, eh? | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/23/2004 2:44:08 PM | okay let me rephrase my original question (as it pertains to a study i'm doing, and frankly the answers haven't helped so far).
1a.) do you believe abortion is murder?
1b.) would you be willing to bet your life that your right? | |
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| strong feelings about abortion? would you take this bet?
Posted: 11/24/2004 2:05:08 AM | I think a problem with your question is that at least in england is that the true definition of an 'abortion' is actually a miscarriage, and an 'abortion' as we call it, is technically a termination. also i think most people agree that there is a difference between an abortion at one week and an abortion at 24 weeks? if nothing else the procedures are completely different.
personally, i dont think abortion is murder, and yes i would take the bet with god, but thats mainly due to my extremely curious nature. | |
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