| Historic changes possible in military's role in domestic emergencies
Posted: 9/24/2005 10:12:20 PM | MY TAKE ON THIS IS AN ATTEMPT To SUSPEND PASSE' COMANTATUS TO BRING MARTIAL LAW TO AMERICA.
The following story is very significant in that it is talk of an attempt to suspect the Passe' Comantatus Act (the separation of police and military and the protection of federal troops on US soil). DO something to stop this.
Remember the Illuminati/Freemason Motto : "ORDER OUT OF CHAOS" - create enough chaos and people will beg for your order.
Historic changes possible in military's role in domestic emergencies
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AP
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-17-katrina-military_x.htm
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush's push to give the military a bigger role in responding to major disasters like Hurricane Katrina could lead to a loosening of legal limits on the use of federal troops on U.S. soil.
A military truck moves along a street in the Ninth Ward area of New Orleans. Pentagon officials may loosen limits on the military's domestic role.
By Ric Francis, AP
Pentagon officials are reviewing that possibility, and some in Congress agree it needs to be considered.
Bush did not define the wider role he envisions for the military. But in his speech to the nation from New Orleans on Thursday, he alluded to the unmatched ability of federal troops to provide supplies, equipment, communications, transportation and other assets the military lumps under the label of "logistics."
The president called the military "the institution of our government most capable of massive logistical operations on a moment's notice."
At question, however, is how far to push the military role, which by law may not include actions that can be defined as law enforcement — stopping traffic, searching people, seizing property or making arrests. That prohibition is spelled out in the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, enacted after the Civil War mainly to prevent federal troops from supervising elections in former Confederate states.
Speaking on the Senate floor Thursday, Sen. John Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said, "I believe the time has come that we reflect on the Posse Comitatus Act." He advocated giving the president and the secretary of defense "correct standby authorities" to manage disasters.
Presidents have long been reluctant to deploy U.S. troops domestically, leery of the image of federal troops patrolling in their own country or of embarrassing state and local officials.
The active-duty elements that Bush did send to Louisiana and Mississippi included some Army and Marine Corps helicopters and their crews, plus Navy ships. The main federal ground forces, led by troops of the 82nd Airborne Division from Fort Bragg, N.C., arrived late Saturday, five days after Katrina struck.
They helped with evacuations and performed search-and-rescue missions in flooded portions of New Orleans but did not join in law enforcement operations.
The federal troops were led by Lt. Gen. Russel Honore. The governors commanded their National Guard soldiers, sent from dozens of states.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is reviewing a wide range of possible changes in the way the military could be used in domestic emergencies, spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said Friday. He said these included possible changes in the relationship between federal and state military authorities.
Under the existing relationship, a state's governor is chiefly responsible for disaster preparedness and response.
Governors can request assistance from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. If federal armed forces are brought in to help, they do so in support of FEMA, through the U.S. Northern Command, which was established in 2002 as part of a military reorganization after the 9/11 attacks.
Di Rita said Rumsfeld has not made recommendations to Bush, but among the issues he is examining is the viability of the Posse Comitatus Act. Di Rita called it one of the "very archaic laws" from a different era in U.S. history that limits the Pentagon's flexibility in responding to 21st century domestic crises.
Another such law, Di Rita said, is the Civil War-era Insurrection Act, which Bush could have invoked to waive the law enforcement restrictions of the Posse Comitatus Act. That would have enabled him to use either National Guard soldiers or active-duty troops — or both — to quell the looting and other lawlessness that broke out in New Orleans.
The Insurrection Act lets the president call troops into federal action inside the United States whenever "unlawful obstructions, combinations or assemblages — or rebellion against the authority of the United States — make it impracticable to enforce the laws" in any state.
The political problem in Katrina was that Bush would have had to impose federal command over the wishes of two governors — Kathleen Blanco of Louisiana and Haley Barbour of Mississippi — who made it clear they wanted to retain state control.
The last time the Insurrection Act was invoked was in 1992 when it was requested by California Gov. Pete Wilson after the outbreak of race riots in Los Angeles. President George H.W. Bush dispatched about 4,000 soldiers and Marines.
Di Rita cautioned against expecting quick answers to tough questions like whether Congress should define when to trigger the president's authority to send federal troops to take charge of an emergency, regardless of whether a governor agreed.
"Is there a way to define a threshold, or an anti--cipated threshold, above which a different set of relationships would kick in?" Di Rita asked. "That's a good question. It's only been two weeks, so don't expect us to have the answers. But those are the kinds of questions we need to be asking." | |
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| Historic changes possible in military's role in domestic emergencies
Posted: 9/24/2005 10:22:19 PM |
The Gov of Louisiana dropped the ball... so it may have been a good thing had Bush taken control.
That's the rumor. At least what CNN, Fox and ABC affiliated are cramming down our throats. No 5 days is too long for any president to not DO SOMETHING - on Katrina I mean. | |
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| Historic changes possible in military's role in domestic emergencies
Posted: 9/25/2005 9:04:43 PM | Doesn't anyone think anymore? This topic is NOT about Katrina relief - which should have been much much better BTW.
When we abolish the passe' comitatus act we are asking for tyranny. No longer is there a separation between informaiton and enforcement of local police and federal officials. We have US troops policing a free society under a guise of an "emergency". The problem is rarely in history when citizens willingly give away their freedom for security - do they ever get them back.
In response to the military presence in the Southern States during the Reconstruction Era, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act[1] ("PCA" or the "Act") to prohibit the use of the Army in civilian law enforcement. The Act embodies the traditional American principle of separating civilian and military authority and currently forbids the use of the Army and Air Force to enforce civilian laws.[2] In the last fifteen years, Congress has deliberately eroded this principle by involving the military in drug interdiction at our borders.[3] This erosion will continue unless Congress renews the PCA's principle to preserve the necessary and traditional separation of civilian and military authority. http://law.wustl.edu/WULQ/75-2/752-10.html | |
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| Historic changes possible in military's role in domestic emergencies
Posted: 9/25/2005 9:21:08 PM | Ecological Collapse and Creeping Fascist Responses
http://earthmeanders.blogspot.com/2005/09/ecological-collapse-and-creeping.html
To me, there is a big difference between military assisting to evacuate people or deliver emergency supplies in a Katrina-like disaster, and military policing. Military policing on US soil is not okay! | |
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| Historic changes possible in military's role in domestic emergencies
Posted: 9/26/2005 2:58:52 AM |
To me, there is a big difference between military assisting to evacuate people or deliver emergency supplies in a Katrina-like disaster, and military policing. Military policing on US soil is not okay!
I was just watching a new story on this very subject. While Lousiana was not prepared for a natural disaster, neither was the federal government. The blame game is now going on and now there is talk about having the military take over policing during natural disasters. Honestly, considering the problems that New Orleans faced after Katrina, I do not see this as a bad idea. The military to be brought in on a TEMPORARY basis to bring order to a chaotic environment like New Orleans faced is exactly what was needed and could be needed in the fuutre.
From what I watched this morning on MSNBC, the activation of military police would only be on a temporary basis until the areas affected by a natural disaster were secure from looting, riots, etc., like we saw in New Orleans. How is this a bad idea? The military would and does provide this type of policing if there is a terrorist attack, or if there was an act of war declared against our country. I really do not see if this is enacted that the U.S. will turn into some sort of police state that I have already heard critics start screaming. | |
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| Historic changes possible in military's role in domestic emergencies
Posted: 1/7/2007 4:39:20 PM | September 7th 2001
Jeb Bush declares the following executive order........
EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER
01-261
WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard has the statutory responsibility to provide support to law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters; and
WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard has the responsibility to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations; and
WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard must train to meet such responsibilities; and
WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard is funded for any such training by budgetary appropriation or grants before any such training; and
WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard must conduct such training in active service of the state, as defined by Section 250.27, Florida Statutes (also known as active military service and state active duty) for members of the Florida National Guard to be covered by Section 250.34, Florida Statutes; and
WHEREAS, as Governor, I may delegate the authority contained in Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, to order training to help respond to civil disturbances, natural disasters, and counter drug operations to The Adjutant General of the State of Florida; and
WHEREAS, it is in the best interest of the State of Florida that I delegate such authority, so that the Florida National Guard is adequately trained to meet its obligation to help respond to civil disturbances, natural disasters, and counter drug operations and so that members of the Florida National Guard performing such training are covered by Section 250.34, Florida Statutes; and
WHEREAS, the Governor may order the Florida National Guard to provide extraordinary support to law enforcement upon request and such a request has been received from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to assist FDLE in performing port security training and inspections.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, JEB BUSH, as Governor of Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me by Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution, and by Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, and all other applicable laws, do hereby promulgate the following Executive Order, to take immediate effect:
Section 1.
Based upon the foregoing, I hereby find that the public welfare requires that the Florida National Guard train to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations.
Section 2.
I hereby delegate to The Adjutant General of the State of Florida all necessary authority, within approved budgetary appropriations or grants, to order members of the Florida National Guard into active service, as defined by Section 250.27, Florida Statutes, for the purpose of training to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations.
Section 3.
The Florida National Guard may order selected members on to state active duty for service to the State of Florida pursuant to Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, to assist FDLE in performing port security training and inspections. Based on the potential massive damage to life and property that may result from an act of terrorism at a Florida port, the necessity to protect life and property from such acts of terrorism, and inhibiting the smuggling of illegal drugs into the State of Florida, the use of the Florida National Guard to support FDLE in accomplishing port security training and inspections is "extraordinary support to law enforcement" as used in Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes.
Section 4.
The Adjutant General shall not place members of the Florida National Guard into active service for longer than necessary to accomplish the purposes declared herein.
Section 5.
This Executive Order supersedes Executive Order Number 01-17. Executive Order Number 01-17 is hereby revoked.
Section 6.
This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and have caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 7th day of September 2001.
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