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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 9/26/2005 11:36:42 PM | | I don't know. It's pretty convincing. Not just because it sounds convincing but because the facts as explained by this doctor just make sense. I can't comment on the compatibility of cow's milk with our physiology, but I do believe the part about bacteria, pus, and hormones being present in the milk. I also know that milk and dairy products are a significant source of saturated fat. Anyways, I've decided to kick the dairy. I've already kicked meat so I believe I'll be able to kick dairy with the proper supplements such as soy milk. | |
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 1/5/2009 8:34:35 AM | Before anyone decides to throw the baby out with the bath water I strongly urge you to research Vitamin D and it's role in health. Also consider the effects that skin color, age, and obesity have on absorption rates. There are even some peer-reviewed articles that suggest, based on experiments, that the current RDA for Vitamin D is too low.
"Organic Valley" milk is widely available in supermarkets. I add about 1/2 cup of non-fat to my whole grain cereal every morning. I also drink Vitamin D fortified OJ every morning.
Over the years my pendulum has swung toward "moderation in everything" when it comes to health and diet. Too much or too little of most things can be bad for you. The trick is to maximize benefits while minimizing the risks. | |
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 1/5/2009 8:45:22 AM | | Jumbie said exactly what i have been saying in other threads. Anything you over do is bound to mess with your body. Even though i am keep an eye on everything i buy milk is one thing i ignored because i don't drink much (it does a great job dehydrating you) so i didn't fret to much. But i finaly flipped it over and saw just how many calories,mostly from fat are in it. Something of 250 a cup or some outrageous amount. I am switching to soy as well, again in moderation . | |
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 2/10/2009 4:44:27 AM | | my health has improved no end,sticky chest in winter and when stressed, since changing to goats milk only- and having coffee/tea black at that. we aren't meant to drink cow protein, goats is so much more like human breast milk apparently. the amount of youngsters whos' asthma.skin complaints etc etc clears up after this switch is very revealing. | |
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 2/10/2009 2:14:40 PM |
I don't know. It's pretty convincing. Not just because it sounds convincing but because the facts as explained by this doctor just make sense. I can't comment on the compatibility of cow's milk with our physiology, but I do believe the part about bacteria, pus, and hormones being present in the milk. I also know that milk and dairy products are a significant source of saturated fat. Anyways, I've decided to kick the dairy. I've already kicked meat so I believe I'll be able to kick dairy with the proper supplements such as soy milk.
You are worried about hormones, yet you consume soy products. You do know that genistein and daidzein in soy are estrogenic?
Bacteria? ALL foods have bacteria, unless they are processed and sterilized. And pastuerization significantly reduces the number of viable organisms. Vegetables are a major source of food borne illness, due to the fact that they often times don't require cooking.
The pus part is the anti-milk crowds' gross factor. I wonder how many realize that your vegetables may have human or animal feces on them. | |
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 2/10/2009 6:51:16 PM |
Over the years my pendulum has swung toward "moderation in everything" when it comes to health and diet. Too much or too little of most things can be bad for you. The trick is to maximize benefits while minimizing the risks.
I also agree to this way of thinking.
I'm not a huge fan of milk, but grew up with the regular run-of-the-mill milk in my cereal and coffee. I've seen no potential harm from drinking it and just by reading an article that some doctor wrote, I'm not about to jump on the "no milk" band wagon. I refuse to cut food from my diet unless I see it's preventing me from reaching my weight loss goals or causing significant health problems... not because an article told me so. Drink it if you want, switch to soy or organic if you want... but do it because you feel better doing it, not because you've read an interesting article.
It amazes me how people can be swayed one way or another. When people didn't know anything about foods, they ate whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted and most remained happy, healthy and lived long lives. We now know millions of facts on foods and what thier health benefits are or aren't, and yet we are nations that are more obese than they've ever been... we're paranoid about what we put in our bodies and spend our lives worried about calories and dress sizes. Relaaax. Eat what you want, when you want... in moderation. Fit some activity into your life, eat that peice of cake with the glass of milk and relaaax.
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 2/10/2009 8:49:23 PM | I would echo what an above poster said about soy milk being bad for reasons of increasing estrogen levels(not to mention the other reasons why soy milk is bad). Increased estrogen levels is not something guys want. So for people to switch from cows milk to soy milk is not a good idea. Check this link for more info
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=20000501001338
An alternative to cows milk or soy milk would be something like hemp milk(I'd get the organic no sugar added kind from something such as the Manitoba Harvest brand because sugar is bad for the body in various ways and use a stevia based sweetener instead if you want to sweeten it)or a healthy nut milk such as macadamia nut milk(using raw organic macadamia nuts). Recipe for Macadamia nut milk below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Oe8nqtH88 | |
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 2/11/2009 7:47:56 AM | Theoretically it does make sense that no other animal on this earth consumes the milk of an entirely different species, other than humans do with cows. On the other hand, humans do all kinds of sh1t that no other animals do, we are paragons of the unnatural...LOL
With cow's milk I have been fine going without it for years, though recently I've gotten into the habit of using about 15oz. of chocolate whole milk as a recovery drink right after a run or a workout (inspired by an article in the NY Times about studies showing that chocolate milk is actually the most effective recovery drink) , and it seems to do the job perfectly: replenishing my body of carbs and protein quickly and efficiently. I've noticed that my recovery time and muscle retention has improved signficantly, especially after long 12-20 mile runs.
I wouldn't drink 3-4 glasses of the stuff daily like I once did as a kid, though. My body digests it easily immediately following intense exercise, but otherwise it takes a lot longer to digest than soy milk. | |
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 2/11/2009 11:07:18 AM | people are always looking for something to demonize or glorify as some quick fix, easy answer to health and its really just sad.
Eating healthy is eating healthy, it means getting the proper amount of vitamins, minerals by eating a balenced diet low in sugar, fat and sodium. We have known this for hundreds of years. Take care of that first, which i am certain 99 percent of the people worried about the big bad "steriods, additives pesticides etc etc" DO NOT do, then you can worry about which healthy foods are the best. Stuffing your face with cookies cakes and white bread products is going to do much more harm then drinking generic store milk. | |
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 2/11/2009 11:45:35 AM | I was raised with that "milk is good for you" mentality as well, replete with years of suffering from both eczema and asthma.. For years I had no idea that it was milk (cows milk) which was the culprit..
As an adult I did my own research and eliminated dairy from my nutritional regimen..The casein contained milk exacerbated and triggered my eczema flareups...
My asthma was also negatively impacted.... I later found that the milk tends to create a mucus, which deposits in the lungs and sinus..triggering asthma attacks
As a result of eliminating milk...both my lifelong eczema and asthma significantly decreased and along with it my need for the prescription meds and steriods I used to treat both conditions..Instead I take a Calcium/Vitamin D supplement...
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 2/11/2009 7:13:49 PM |
^^^ Hmm, I knew we had a lot in common with ants! : )
Are there any other exceptions, mammalian especially?
Never looked, possibly not.
The point was not to show that other closely related genera eat like humans, but that the "its not natural" argument is specious. As you stated, humans do LOTS of things that other species don't, not to mention, nature did not design us to live under optimal conditions, but to survive any manner of conditions. We did not evolve eating plenty of foods, with all the necessary nutrients, but instead went without many times, ate only a limited combination of foods, and often times in very poor conditions (mold and bacterial contamination).
Man evolved to be versatile in his diet. | |
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| Nutrition and Milk: Are we getting the facts about the substance that Does the body Good
Posted: 2/11/2009 7:28:30 PM | | hi... over 20 yrs ago I was given that info on milk... for the last 20 yrs I have warned against regular milk/cheese and those that have listened have had amazing results ranging from overcoming asthma and ezema, getting off antibiotics, avoiding shunts, colic in babies, colitis, weight loss and gain etc, the list is very long... organic goats milk for babies, adults do not need animal milks, nut and seed milks are excellent, imho... blessings for health, warmly Mona | |
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