| Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/21/2004 4:06:09 PM | Starts here on Friday, I'm going to see if I can get tickets tonight for the opener. Anyone else going?
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/21/2004 6:47:43 PM | | nope, i think michael moore is a pompous jackass. he might uncover the truth, but i don't want to hear it from him. | |
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/22/2004 8:43:43 PM | Hmmm. He's a real shit disturber and some might even call him an asshole. I figured you would be a supporter. Interesting.
Anyway, I'm curious and will try to catch that movie. | |
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/24/2004 8:52:30 AM | No, I agree that Michael Moore is a JACKASS!! We are not stupid people and for a movie like Fahrenheit 9/11 to bring more hate to Americans and endangering our Troops lives and for Michael Moore to say "he is telling the truth about the Bush Administration" is Bull!
Michael Moore just wants to be in the spot light as always!! | |
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/24/2004 9:05:13 AM | Telling the truth about Bush doesn't endanger our troops. Sending them 1/2 way around the world without a full understanding of the political/religious/social status where you are sending them is what endangers our troops. I thought that was pretty well clear by now.
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/24/2004 9:09:47 AM | | just remember that it is michael moore's obscure telling of the "truth." he is a media mogul with slim or no ties to the power in d.c. so what could he know? | |
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/24/2004 9:58:58 AM | From what I've seen so far he's just pointing out the little statistics that nobody has paid much attention to, they've all been published in the media though. Little things like:
(From my own personal observations, not the Moore movie)
At the same time Bush is creating hundreds of thousands of new Veterans of Foreign Wars
he's also slashing Veterans benefits by $15 billion over the next 10 years:
http://www.fresnobee.com/columnists/mcewen/story/6480611p-7425029c.html
Hey, way to support those troops!
Way to support those troops, part deux:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2001608282_iraqguns25.html
"We just do not have enough rifles to equip all of our soldiers. So
in certain circumstances we allow soldiers to have an AK-47. They have
to demonstrate some proficiency with the weapon ... demonstrate an
ability to use it," said Lt. Col. Mark Young, commander of the 3rd
Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Infantry Division."
Way to support those troops, in 3D!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20031013-2229-iraq-bodyarmor.html
"Nearly one-quarter of the 130,000 American troops in Iraq still have
not been issued the newest body armor, which has ceramic plates to
stop rifle rounds. Delays in funding, production and shipping mean the
last of the needed 30,000 sets of body armor won't be delivered to
Iraq until December - more than eight months after the war began."
Supporting the troops part IV:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/980954.asp?0cl=c3
"A total of 49 percent of those questioned said it was "very unlikely"
or "not likely" that they would remain in the military after they
complete their current obligations."
This poll was run by the Stars and Stripes, the official Pentagon newspaper:
http://www.stripes.com/morale/dayonestats.html
In response, Army says "OK, you'll just be staying a wee bit longer
then…"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36979-2003Dec28¬Found=true
"According to their contracts, expectations and desires, all three
soldiers should have been civilians by now. But Fontaine and Costas
are currently serving in Iraq, and Eagle has just been deployed. On
their Army paychecks, the expiration date of their military service is
now listed sometime after 2030 -- the payroll computer's way of
saying, "Who knows?"
The three are among thousands of soldiers forbidden to leave military
service under the Army's "stop-loss" orders, intended to stanch the
seepage of troops, through retirement and discharge, from a military
stretched thin by its burgeoning overseas missions."
and finally, my personal favorite:
No child left behind... well, unless it's a child of military personnel...
http://edworkforce.house.gov/democrats/militaryfamilydc.html
It bothers me when people say "We support our troops so we support Bush!" because it means they clearly have no idea what Bush has been doing to our troops for the last 3 years.
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/24/2004 12:08:28 PM | | no child left behind is a good one. the federal government puts in all of these rules, but no funding or time to do them. | |
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/24/2004 2:22:15 PM | Yeah, the whole No Child Left Behind Act is just that... a total Act. I've read it and it actually seems to me to be a blueprint for pulling federal funding from schools rather than making sure they get the money they need to operate...
OK, we're going to make you take tests and you have to score so high in each grade level otherwise your school will be marked as a non performer and your funding can be pulled or reduced. Oh yeah, and we're going to make sure that the special ed students get to take the tests too, we wouldn't want them to feel left out even though the scantron form may as well be a coloring book to them.
Oh, and if your school chooses not to allow full access for military recruiters your funding can be reduced or pulled.
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/25/2004 12:47:51 PM | Michael moore is full of crap. A short list of lies/half truths he's manufactured....
In Bowling for Columbine....
Moore claims that National Rifle Association taunted the Denver area and the nation by holding "a large pro-gun rally" only days after the killings at Columbine High School.
In reality, the annual meeting had been planned well in advance, was required by law, could not have been changed in time to another city, and was stripped of all rallies and ceremony in deference to the community.
The movie depicts Charlton Heston as making his famous "cold, dead hands speech" in Denver.
In reality, the remarks came a year later in Charlotte, N.C., and Moore spliced bits of footage from that and another speech for maximum distortion. "It is a lie, a fraud, and a few other things," Hardy and Clarke write.
The fantasy film claims that Heston exploited a school shooting in Mount Morris, Mich., by staging another "big pro-gun rally" in October 2002.
In reality, Heston's appearance came eight months after the shooting, at a get-out-the-vote event in nearby Flint. Others campaigning in the area around that time included Al Gore, George W. Bush ... and Moore himself, touting Ralph Nader.
In Fahrenheit 9/11....
Moore harps on his portrayal of America as a "nation of idiots" (i.e., people who disagree with him) and illiterates.
In reality, the "statistics" he offers indicating widespread illiteracy include two sizeable groups: immigrants who are often fluent in other languages but not English, and the blind and visually impaired.
Moore, who after all graduated from high school, delights in ridiculing his countrymen's poor grasp of geography. "The dumbest Brit here is smarter than the smartest American," he snickers to an audience in London.
But Moore chooses not to add an important fact: young adults worldwide performed badly on the National Geographic survey he so selectively cites.
He claims that Florida wrongly disenfranchised thousands of pro-Democrat criminals in the 2000 election. "Thirty-one percent of all black men in Florida" are felons, in his paranoid fantasy world. (No wonder this limousine liberal travels in such exclusive circles.)
In reality, the Miami Herald showed that Democrat-run counties violated state law and let the overwhelmingly Democrat felons vote illegally - more than 2,000 votes, most of which went to Gore.
Most importantly, "Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man" (a new book which has recently been published) refutes Moore's wild attempts to implicate the president in 9/11. Every American should read these chapters. They are too detailed to summarize here, but one example will demonstrate this book's importance.
Moore claims President Bush invaded Afghanistan and toppled the Taliban so he could get an oil pipeline built. You've probably heard others parrot this allegation. A master of propaganda knows that if you repeat a lie often enough, people start to believe it.
In reality, Bush had supported Enron's plan to run pipes under the Caspian Sea and avoid Afghanistan. "Clinton was the one backing the rival Unocal plan to put them through Afghanistan," Hardy and Clarke observe.
Inspiration to terrorists: Moore's favorite claim: "THERE ... IS ... NO ... TERRORIST ... THREAT!" If so, why do terrorists take succor from him?
The most damning indictment of Moore in "Big Fat Stupid White Man": the salute offered by Imam Samudra, leader of the Muslim terrorist bombers who murdered 202 people, mostly Australians and other tourists, two years ago at Paddy's nightclub in Bali.
"I saw lots of whiteys dancing and lots of whiteys drinking there," Samudra told Indonesian police. The authors note, "It was 'Kill Whitey' (to quote a chapter heading in Stupid White Men) with a vengeance."
Samudra's attorney Qaidar Faisal concluded his defense by praising the Taliban and quoting from "anti-western texts" including Moore's "Stupid White Men."
More on Moore and Fahrenheit 9/11
It's clear that Michael Moore has gone off the deep end when even Democrats compare him to the Nazis' master of propaganda:
"Hollywood agent and Kerry supporter Tom Baer told me, 'Kerry should flee Moore's movie. It's Goebbels all over again." This quotation comes not from Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh but from a column in the Washington Post by Tina Brown, a queen of the liberal media establishment.
Christopher Hitchens, a contributor to such partisan publications as New Left Review and The Nation, writes for Slate: "Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of 'dissenting' bravery."
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/26/2004 11:40:34 PM | MICHAL MOORE IS A LYING IDIOT,WOULD NOT SEE HIS MOVIE FOR ANYTHING. TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH,ARE FOR REAL?
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/27/2004 11:47:47 AM | | I have to agree with those not particularly liking Moore. The content may have some revelations, but probably not. Most of the truth about this current US admin. has and will be revealed soon enough. Thats just my take, but i probably wont change my opinion .Further i'd like to comment on our vice pres, totally inept blunder when he retorted with the f word to Sen.lehiey(spelling wrong). Does this kind of public display show integrity? I think not!. | |
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/28/2004 3:18:38 PM | Well, I went and I'm glad I got to see it. The whole connection between the Bush family and the Saudi families was kind of scary. There are more connections between Bush and Bin Laden than there ever was Saddam and Al Qaida.
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/29/2004 12:20:13 PM | jordanlund-
a lot of the "connections" moore used are downright fabrications.
one example......
he claims bush had members of bin ladins family escorted out of the united states soon after the 9/11 attacks. the fact is, richard clark said that it was he himself who bore the sole responsiblity of getting them out. he said that the decision absolutely "went no higher than me." funny, when considered that richard clark is currently being paraded by liberals as a hero.
this movie is so full of contradictions it would be comical if not for the seriousness of the allegations. moore is a hate-america first, propaganda spreading moron. once this movie makes its way to the middle-east, it will put our soliders lives at risk. moore should be ashamed of himself. | |
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/30/2004 12:06:58 AM | | Well now we know how everyone is registered to vote. Michael Moores movie might help us identify ourselves more to our neighbors. In a world where no two people are exactly alike it's important to close our minds into 2 political parties. Sure the police actions we have found ourselves caught up in are embarasing situtations. Every time I fill up with gas I think about the people that died so I can go Disney Land. Well.....At 2 bucks a gallon maybe not Disney Land this year. | |
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| Re: Anyone going to Fahrenheit 9/11?
Posted: 6/30/2004 12:47:23 AM | Micheal Moore fan here - I for one am glad that someone is not afraid to take a stand & air his grievances & facts tp the public. Moore has been right on when it comes to a ot of political issues....maybe some of you just cant handle the truth?
How do you all feel about his previous endevours (Moore's) or are you just trying to
defend the worst president ever in office since his papa.
Bye bye Bush! I will party like never before on your moving day!
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