| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 6:28:22 AM | | Are they trapped between heaven and hell? Or what? I've seen the special on tv, where they appear and stuff moves around. So they are real I guess? | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 6:32:30 AM | | Hey just4fun... from what I've gathered there are spirits that are caught between the physical world and the afterlife. Those that have decided they don't want to cross over or those that meet a violent death and don't realize they are dead yet. I most definately beleive they are real. I also beleive those on the otherside visit us from time to time. It's definately a personal opinion (and I dont even think a religious one at that) in regards to "ghosts". | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 6:44:57 AM | Ghosts are what one calls familiar spirits. This link explains familiar spirits from a Biblical perspective. http://www.gotquestions.org/familiar-spirits.html
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 6:52:19 AM | That is only your perspective on things Bama.
We had a thread on Familar Spirits I'm sure someone can do a search if they want to.
We have energy of those that have passed around us all the time. *shaking head* they aren't demons as the bible wants us to believe. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 8:05:11 AM | SFL I see you found that thread on Witches and There Familiars... As I recall it came out of another discussion where the use of psychic ability was condemned as working with "familiar spirits". Anyway, Familiars as I understand it are usually animal spirits that work in much the same way as animal totems as used in Native spiritual traditions... nothing evil about that... Just that most Native people who follow their tradition are very in touch with nature and believe in giving thanks to Great Spirit (God) and the animals that give their lives so that the Native people can survive.
As for psychic/ spirit communications these are usually with departed love ones who are now in the spirit world. These spirits are sometimes called Ghosts and sometimes hang around close to the earth because they have unfinished business here...
No such thing as hell except for the one we create in our minds and the Devil is only an excuse for those who do not wish to be accountable for their own actions. The spirit world is open to all and it is up to each of us to work on our own soul progression... No one is condemned for an eternity unless they choose to buy into such an idea.
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Posted: 11/2/2005 8:07:07 AM | Yep Cat,
I figured it there was someone that had serious questions and an open mind I would go seaching for some of the information for him.
Also to dispell the Gloom and Doom of some of the other posters. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 12:26:40 PM | | I think ghosts aren't actual peoples spirits, because when you die, you either go to Heaven or Hell. In my opinion, ghosts are angels or demons. God says be careful who you entertain because it may be an angel in disguise. (Hebrews 13:2) And I think in a lot more cases than angels, it's actually demons either trying to lead you astray or the obvious: scaring the living daylight out of you. I'll find some verses on the matter and get back to this... | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 12:58:06 PM | Spiritual Cat.....
You wrote that there is no hell? Do you think there is a Heaven? If you beleive in Heaven there there has to be a Hell. Good cannot live with evil. Or the other way around. The 2 go together. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 1:02:06 PM | | just beacuse it says it in the bible dosent mean its true.....do you think people really lived inside of a whale.....i didnt think so | |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 1:08:42 PM |
If you beleive in Heaven there there has to be a Hell. Good cannot live with evil. Or the other way around. The 2 go together.
Okay, that statement just makes no damn sense. Good cannot live with Evil, yet they go together? Good and Evil examplify each other yes.. See 'Ying-Yang'. However Good and Evil are just inventions of mankind. Life is just life, and the only thing that separates us from the animals is our own ability to choose how we animate it. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 1:17:05 PM | mc2469-- Heaven, Hell and Satan are Christian concepts...
According to Spiritualist understanding the Spirit World is multi layered and where we end up in it depends on our beliefs and life choices. The Spirit world is created through thought/telepathy... So if you buy into a Hell then there is a chance you will end up there. As for heaven, well as I understand it the Spirit World is a beautiful place and very peaceful so I guess you could call it Heaven if you like but it is not just for sinless Christians... So I do not like to associate the Spirit World with such a limited concept. It is sometimes referred to as Summerland though…
• There are different levels of spheres in the afterlife — from the lowest vibrations to the highest. On physical death we go to the sphere which can accommodate the vibrations we accumulated throughout our life on earth. Simplistically put, most decent folk are likely to go to the 'third' sphere — some people call the summerland. The higher the vibrations, the better the conditions — which will take us to the higher spheres. We are informed that the higher spheres are too beautiful to even imagine. For those with very, very low vibrations, very serious problems do exist.
7 Spheres:
Level 1: Animal level. Animals are found in other levels to add to our pleasure and comfort but they do not have the same soul progression as humans so their home is within the first sphere.
Level 2: Dark unenlightened level devoid of natural comforts. This is the place where undeveloped spirits go. Those who chose negative, selfish, abusive lives and are not ready to release themselves from this vibration.
Level 3: It is most similar to earth and is the place where those who have lived a decent life on earth go. Also you will find that children are here regardless of how they lived because they are not held accountable for their choices the same as adults are. The third level is pleasant and those who live there can create homes and other comforts that suite them. What spirit inhabitants build corresponds to the condition of their soul at arrival and will change as they progress.
Level 4: This sphere is closely related to the third but is a bit more refined and is for those who have advanced spiritually while on earth and upon being in the spirit world.
Levels 5, 6 & 7: The fifth, sixth and seventh spheres are graduated toward higher spiritual attainment. The higher spheres work on a higher vibration of energy and we begin to lose the associations we have with the earth plane and its physical comforts. Within these spheres spirit becomes more like light and positive energy and earthly, physical aspects begin to disappear, as they are no longer needed.
• Consistent with the Law of Progress, eventually, even if it takes aeons of time, all will progress to the higher spheres,
• Like attracts like in the afterlife. Unlike on the earth plane, those with lower vibrations cannot mix freely with those in the higher spheres. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 1:19:53 PM | ASB yep that is the typical Christian interpretation but there is so much that falls out side of and cannot be explained by this view...
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Posted: 11/2/2005 1:25:25 PM | italiano........."living in a whale"?????? Read the Bible-jonha died inside the whale. When God had the whale spit him up onto shore.........Jonha was brought back to life!
p.s to answer the other post regarding..ghost are only evil demons. If you are a TRUE Christian-God says, "absent from the body-present with the Lord." If you are not, saved. The Bible tells us, "they go to a place of torrment, which is in the center of the earth called-hades." Like i said, ghost are just evil demons-seducing all those who don't believe. If you have a problem with that, take it up with God. I'm just a messanger. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 2:08:28 PM |
ASB yep that is the typical Christian interpretation but there is so much that falls out side of and cannot be explained by this view...
Like??
Let me ask you this... And I want to know what your answers are on this... (you may not think this has anything to do with "ghosts" but I would like to ask them anyway.
1) How come out of every name (of a god.. ex: God, Jesus, Alah, Jehovah, etc...) the name "Jesus Christ" is used the most IN VAIN?
2) How come Christians out of most all religions are killed for their beliefs?
In my opinion (and this has nothing to do with religion) someone planted a pretty nasty seed in someones head and it spread like weeds. Think about it.
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And how come (back to the Bible p.o.v.) in the Bible it says every knee will bow (including demons)?
Also, and you might not want to do this, but I thought it was pretty interesting, if you ever get a chance to read the Ishbane Conspiracy, do it. It's a pretty good book and it talks about the spiritual warfare around us. Also Piercing The Darkness. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 2:26:18 PM |
According to Spiritualist understanding the Spirit World is multi layered and where we end up in it depends on our beliefs and life choices. The Spirit world is created through thought/telepathy... So if you buy into a Hell then there is a chance you will end up there. As for heaven, well as I understand it the Spirit World is a beautiful place and very peaceful so I guess you could call it Heaven if you like but it is not just for sinless Christians... So I do not like to associate the Spirit World with such a limited concept. It is sometimes referred to as Summerland though…
• There are different levels of spheres in the afterlife — from the lowest vibrations to the highest. On physical death we go to the sphere which can accommodate the vibrations we accumulated throughout our life on earth. Simplistically put, most decent folk are likely to go to the 'third' sphere — some people call the summerland. The higher the vibrations, the better the conditions — which will take us to the higher spheres. We are informed that the higher spheres are too beautiful to even imagine. For those with very, very low vibrations, very serious problems do exist.
7 Spheres:
Level 1: Animal level. Animals are found in other levels to add to our pleasure and comfort but they do not have the same soul progression as humans so their home is within the first sphere.
Level 2: Dark unenlightened level devoid of natural comforts. This is the place where undeveloped spirits go. Those who chose negative, selfish, abusive lives and are not ready to release themselves from this vibration.
Level 3: It is most similar to earth and is the place where those who have lived a decent life on earth go. Also you will find that children are here regardless of how they lived because they are not held accountable for their choices the same as adults are. The third level is pleasant and those who live there can create homes and other comforts that suite them. What spirit inhabitants build corresponds to the condition of their soul at arrival and will change as they progress.
Level 4: This sphere is closely related to the third but is a bit more refined and is for those who have advanced spiritually while on earth and upon being in the spirit world.
Levels 5, 6 & 7: The fifth, sixth and seventh spheres are graduated toward higher spiritual attainment. The higher spheres work on a higher vibration of energy and we begin to lose the associations we have with the earth plane and its physical comforts. Within these spheres spirit becomes more like light and positive energy and earthly, physical aspects begin to disappear, as they are no longer needed.
• Consistent with the Law of Progress, eventually, even if it takes aeons of time, all will progress to the higher spheres,
• Like attracts like in the afterlife. Unlike on the earth plane, those with lower vibrations cannot mix freely with those in the higher spheres
Thank you SO much for explaining that! I've been trying to figure out what each of the 7 levels was (or as you stated, spheres) for a while now! | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 3:12:17 PM | I shall begin this lesson with the famous admonition "in my opinion", even though everything I'm about to tell is God's truth:
1) We have all been ghosts in the past, it's impossible not to be once you leave the body at death.
2) Anyone who has had an out of body experience, with or without full perception, was at that time a ghost for the duration of the incident.
3) Any ghost who does not move on to the next body within a reasonable amount of time, is generally the victim of huge trauma, and is really "stuck in the incident". Exorcism works when it does, on a haunting by getting the attention of the ghost acknowlegding them and getting them to move on. Generally they will agree and just vanish, to end up back in the old maternity ward, shortly thereafter.
4) There is no evidence of anyone ever being physically harmed by a ghost.
5) They are what we are. We have a body, and they don't, and that is the major difference, unless they are "unconscious" in which case they can be "exorcised".
6) Ghosts are not malicious, mainly they are scarred or desperate or suffering emotional shock, and have the same emotions you or I have. Getting into communication is the biggest trick because they are not in very good shape in terms of awareness.
7) Ghosts have nothing to do with the Devil or Satan or any other entity. They are not drop outs from Heaven, or anything like that at all. They are simply "us" at a different stage of the game.
8) Reincarnation is the game that's being played, and while it is not "ideal", it is fun, and it's much better to play the game knowingly than to be unable to play the game. At death you could decide to hang around for a while knowingly, but it's pretty lonely out there, and generally you would opt (be drawn to) rebirth, and its' attendant amnesia once again.
9) Amnesia associated with re-birth does not mean that memories of past existences have been erased, rather our access to them has been shrouded in pain (death is not a "feel good" experience, and either is birth), but they can be recovered under correct conditions. There's lots of anecdotal evidence on this from people who do recall their own past lives.
10) People who claim to have "been Christ", or "Napoleon" in a past life etc, are merely dramatising a past incident or two of times when either Christ or the subject of Christ overwhelmed them. Same with Napoleon. More likely they were in Napoleon's army, or looked after Napoleon's boots or something and were quite overwhelmed by him, and later "became him" which is something we phychosis.
11) I don't take drugs.
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Posted: 11/2/2005 3:35:37 PM | grplaman-- Again that is only the Christian view and thank goodness there are lots of other choices and ideas for folks to consider.... and as I said to ASB there are way too many things that just do not fit into that limited perspective...
I find it interesting that many Governments has spent millions of dollars on remote viewing experiments and regularly use psychics as part of the team when working on difficult cases... Hmmm I guess there is something to all this then... Re all Ghosts being evil demons... I doubt it and seems that folks who are run by fear based beliefs miss out on much that there is to learn about the world around us.
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Posted: 11/2/2005 3:38:30 PM | SweetTreat-- Glad I could help... of course these are generalizations and there may be slight variations in definitions re the levels but it does give folks the general idea.
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 3:41:10 PM |
SweetTreat-- Glad I could help... of course these are generalizations and there may be slight variations in definitions re the levels but it does give folks the general idea.
Hey even a general idea is what I was looking for..I had no idea what they even represented, etc... see you learn something new everyday! | |
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Great post