j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 11/5/2005 6:15:35 PM | I have recently met a man who is a part of this small sect. He argues he is Jewish, but he believes in Christ and his teachings....how is that Jewish ?
I am not familiar if they believe all or only part of the NT, but I am curious. When I ask him about his faith he seems to take offence and will not explain how the two faiths can be one in the same.
Anyone heard of this before, or care to shed some light on the matter ? | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 11/5/2005 9:21:06 PM |
He argues he is Jewish, but he believes in Christ and his teachings....how is that Jewish ?
Jesus is Jewish, and he's their/our King, the Christ. I think the bigger question is why the Jewish nation (or world) in general reject their anointed.
Mark 15:2 And Pilate asked him, Art *thou* the King of the Jews ? And he answered and said to him, *Thou* sayest. | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 11/5/2005 10:01:52 PM | | Yeah, I knew a similar guy. He was Jewish by Birth and later accepted Christ as his Savior. He said he was not a Christian and did not like the title Messianic Jew. He claimed to be a Jew. His reasoning was that Jesus came first for the Jews. As far as I can see what he is saying does not go against New Testament teaching. | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/5/2006 7:29:27 AM | I am Jewish by birth but believe that Messiah is my savior which makes me Messianic Jewish. You can't change your birth right because of your beliefs. So yes, I do believe I am Jewish.
Kara | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/5/2006 8:57:14 AM | | I've also heard it called "Complete Jew". The major difference between the Messianic Jew and the rest of the Jewish people is that the Messianic Jew recognizes Jesus as the messiah that God has promissed the Jewish people. It does not make them any less Jewish. Take Paul of the New Testament, for instance. He was no less Jewish because he followed Christ. Same goes for all of the apostles. The Jews who reject Jesus as messiah are still waiting for the messiah to come. | |
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jimyg
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Joined: 1/6/2005
Msg: 11 | |
| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/6/2006 9:55:59 AM | THe Jews have been waiting for the Messiah for centuries, and almost eveyone except the Jews know that the Jew Jesus is the Messiah or Chirst [anointed one], So the Christian Jews like me are real Hebrews (men beyond the river), like me, finding the God Yahoveh of Abraham who appeard to Abraham on the mountain with the buring bush and Jesus as Christ preincarnate gave him the 10 commandments to prove to the Jews they couldn't keep them without Jesus, and in fact Jesus is the only one that kept the commandments with out breaking them.
So, real Jew knows Jesus, and in fact in the book of Revelation 7 we see the tribes changed to reflect Jesus and real spiritural Jews, who like Menassa have mercy while the tribe of Dan which was replaced means to judge.
Have a nice day, and if you have Jesus in you speak in tongues
Jimmy | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/6/2006 7:23:32 PM | Yes. Way back when - long, long ago in a place far, far away - there were 12 tribes.
Originally, there were two southern tribes: Judah and Benjamin which were customarily called the House of Judah; and there were ten northern tribes which were customarily called the House of Israel. When all twelve tribes were referredd to collectively they were call "Israel". Those of the tribe of Judah were called Jews, just as those of the tribe of Levi were called Levites. After the diaspora, the ten northern tribes lost thier tribal identity so they, collectively, even today, call themselves Jews. Actually, those of the 10 northern tribes who ventured north, over the Caucasus Mountains (after their captivity in Babylonia) came to be called caucasians. And who was it, Zephaniah or Zechariah who took his four daughters and migrated to England, taking with him the Stone of Scone (Jacob's pillow) which is under the Coronation Chair in England today - and which is the basis of why England is symbolized by a lion; and the U.S., Canada and Australia are the "cubs", the "lion and her cubs" being often referred to in the Bible?
But I digress. "Jewish" can refer to a religion, a tribe, a locality, or a blood line; any of the foregoing being accurate regardless of the accuracy of the others. | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/6/2006 7:41:06 PM |
THe Jews have been waiting for the Messiah for centuries, and almost eveyone except the Jews know that the Jew Jesus is the Messiah
There's a very good reason why the Jews don't think Jesus was the Messiah. Jesus didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies. | |
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jimyg
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Joined: 1/6/2005
Msg: 14 | |
| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/6/2006 10:17:38 PM |
CountIbli on 1/6/2006 7  06 PM Subject: Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ? Message: THe Jews have been waiting for the Messiah for centuries, and almost eveyone except the Jews know that the Jew Jesus is the Messiah There's a very good reason why the Jews don't think Jesus was the Messiah. Jesus didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies.
Jesus fulfilled all of the "signs of the Messiah" which no one else has done since Elijah, until Jesus, He raised the dead, healed leppers, healed the deaf and dumb, and got some acclaim for healing a man blind from birth, and then He fulfilled all of the suffering Messiah prophecies, which the Jews didn't want to see, but had to be done, so He could purchase the redeemed and return as the ruling Messiah, and that He will do soon, since the the Fig Tree budded, that is Israel became a nation and then regained all of it's land during the 7 day war.
So, get the Holy SPirit and speak in tongues so you can by the power of the Holy Spirit interpret scripture properly,
Have a nice scriptural day,
Jimmy | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/6/2006 10:45:15 PM | Dilemma because Jesus was a Jew, the first 12 apostles were Jewish and anyone that wanted to become a Christian in the first years had to become a Jew first. The only reason that subsequent Christians did not become Jewish is because Judaism is not an evangelistic religion. Conversion is long and tedious and takes dedication.
In order for the teachings of Jesus to have been spread, it was impossible to force people to become Jews, don't forget that this included circucision of males, dietary restrictions, etc. So in essence the first Christians were practicing Jews.
I was just wondering how the messianic Jews here combine their beliefs:
Do you keep the Sabbath on Saturday (as Jesus did) vs. Sunday?
Do you keep Kosher?
Do you study the old testament or only the new?
Where do you pray?
Do you celebrate Jewish holydays as well as Christian? | |
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icalla
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Joined: 7/20/2005
Msg: 16 | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/7/2006 5:12:39 AM | To answer the question... I would have to say YES!!!
Just think:
If it was not for Jesus, the most famous Jew... there would be no Christian nations to help the Jews get past Hitler and to help them rebuild their nation. The biggest allies to Israel are the so-called-Christian nations. So in many ways Jesus has become their messiah and their salvation even though the majority of Jews still see him as just a profit. To be a real Christian and not a hypocrite we should first become Jewish and understand the Old Testament. We call it the meat of God's word or the foundation of Christianity. In this way a Jewish man is already one step ahead of those who are now blood bought Jews. He is both blessed by birthright and redeemed by the perfect lamb that was crucified according to the Old Testament prophecies for our sins. | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/7/2006 1:16:00 PM |
If it was not for Jesus, the most famous Jew... there would be no Christian nations to help the Jews get past Hitler and to help them rebuild their nation. The biggest allies to Israel are the so-called-Christian nations. So in many ways Jesus has become their messiah and their salvation even though the majority of Jews still see him as just a profit. To be a real Christian and not a hypocrite we should first become Jewish and understand the Old Testament. We call it the meat of God's word or the foundation of Christianity. In this way a Jewish man is already one step ahead of those who are now blood bought Jews. He is both blessed by birthright and redeemed by the perfect lamb that was crucified according to the Old Testament prophecies for our sins.
I guess you had good intentions in typing that but take a look at the Catholic Church's persecution of Jews in every country where they came to power, your comment above is highly misinformed and you should catch up on readings, ever heard of the Inquisition???
Truely enough, today the US is Israel's most important and valued friend in the world but all other European nations accept Israel only because of their guilt in what happened in Europe during WWII. If they were such friends of the Jews how did the Holocaust happen? While it's is the Germans' fault, other countries were all too willing to get rid of their Jews and Canada's policy was: "one Jew is too many".
Luckily today people are more enlightened and we should all be grateful for that | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/7/2006 6:49:37 PM |
I was just wondering how the messianic Jews here combine their beliefs:
Do you keep the Sabbath on Saturday (as Jesus did) vs. Sunday?
Do you keep Kosher?
Do you study the old testament or only the new?
Where do you pray?
Do you celebrate Jewish holydays as well as Christian?
Well we celebrate Sabbath on Saturday, even to the point of not driving long distances on the Sabbath, not cooking on the Sabbath, other than herbal medicine remedies when we are ill, and not working on the Sabbath, although Kara's work has tried to force her to do so, and we are in a legal battle over that as we write.
While we don't keep kosher as the Orthodox Jews do, ie seperate fridges, cooking utensils, and stoves, we do keep kosher according to the Torah, ie the old testament clean food laws.
We study and believe all scriptures both the old and new testament.
We pray in our home as there is no messianic synagogue for us to attend services where we live.
We celebrate only Jewish Holy Days and no "christian" holidays as they are pagan in origin.
Steve & Kara | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/7/2006 8:24:42 PM | | If you keep the food laws then you're not following Christian beliefs. Jesus said that it's not what goes into the body that makes you unclean, but what comes out. According to Christian doctrines you're longer longer supposed to keep the Law. | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/7/2006 8:30:40 PM | | In my circle of Jewish friends and family, messianic jews are not considered real Jews. Real Jews still believe the messiah is coming and that it will mostly likely be someone of Davidic descent. If messianic Jews think that what they believe is the truth and that they are true jews, then are misinformed and should speak with a real Rabbi. | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/8/2006 5:19:15 PM | Truely enough messianic Jews are not accepted by all other Jewish congregations as Jews.
Though being Jewish is a birthright whereas a non practicing Jew is just as much a Jew as the most fervently Orthodox.
Believing in Jesus as a teacher or even prophet of some sort would not be outrageous as many of his teachings do not conflict with Judaism, after all he was Jewish. But it's the belief that he is the son of G-d and at once G-d and that salvation can only be reached through him that is outrageous to Jews.
That is because Jews believe that the Messiah is a common mortal man and an agent of G-d rather than G-d incarnate. It is also the belief that salvation can only be attained through Jesus that contradicts Judaism.
In fact Jews believe that any person that is not Jewish, as long as they believe in one G-d and follow the Noahic laws (7), they can reach salvation and a place in the afterlife.
Having said all of the above, I cannot recognize a Messianic Jew as a Jew, to each his own and I never judge anyone by their religion as long as it promotes peace. | |
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jimyg
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Joined: 1/6/2005
Msg: 23 | |
| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/8/2006 7:09:02 PM |
staciejaye Joined: 12/27/2005 Msg: 21 view profile Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ? Posted: 1/7/2006 8  40 PM In my circle of Jewish friends and family, messianic jews are not considered real Jews. Real Jews still believe the messiah is coming and that it will mostly likely be someone of Davidic descent. If messianic Jews think that what they believe is the truth and that they are true jews, then are misinformed and should speak with a real Rabbi.
Just so you know, rabbi means teacher, and the Messiah gave me a teachning mantle, so if any uncircumcised of the heart rabbi wants to know the truth I will help and show him Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, and I also have a Shepherd's mantle, Evangelist's mantle and also a prophet's mantle, and yes, I do pray for people and they get healed just like Elijah did, and in fact it is the mantle of Elijah the Jews are expecting in the the book of Malachi:
Mal 4:5 - Matt 1:1
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse."
And yes, as a free bonus, I do have a friend that raises people from the dead,
Jimmy
and always get the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues
and if you do any rabbi that has authority, like can raise the dead I will listen to him! | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/9/2006 3:10:51 AM | Thought this was such an interesting thread that I didn`t want to see it fade away.
Messianic Jews are Israeli people who have come to believe that Jesus is the one and only true Messiah.Since the dispertion there is no way of knowing what tribe a person belongs to, altho I`m sure it is written in heaven.They sing old style Jewish songs mixed with contemporary. They believe all prophesy is fulfilled in Jeshua ( hebrew form of Jesus, as j-e-s-u-s is Greek spelling) | |
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/9/2006 3:28:12 AM | | Interestingly Joshua is also the same as Jeshua. He led the wanders into the land of milk and honey. The land of rest. He was led by The Captain of the Lord`s army which most believe to be Christ. | |
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