| Weight-loss OTC
Posted: 11/13/2005 11:28:54 AM | | What's the most effective weight-loss OTC for males now? Back in the days of ephedra, I used Xenadrine, but it has minimal effect now. Not looking to take off a lot of weight, just about 10 pounds, and exercise and diet changes don't seem to make an impact without an OTC to go with them. | |
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| Weight-loss OTC
Posted: 11/13/2005 3:58:06 PM | There really isn't much. If you go to www.t-nation.com, their supplement company 'Biotest' has some decent products, but the're fairly pricey.
There really isn't anything better than ephedra especially when price is factored in. | |
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| Weight-loss OTC
Posted: 11/18/2005 11:38:29 AM | just go illegal and get some clenbuterol and some T-3 ....
LOL!!!!
you call me crazy, but it would work,,,, but make sure and do your research first.....
the fat will literally melt off of you... | |
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Posted: 11/19/2005 5:51:26 PM | I'm using Hydroxycut right now and although it's only been two weeks, I feel like it's doing a good job. I'm more energetic and my water weight seems to be down (meaning I look slimmer).
I'll let you know in a few more weeks how it's going.
Oh, but FYI - they've taken the ephedra out of this now too. | |
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Posted: 10/1/2006 4:57:42 AM | ephedra is back on the market, at least here in washington state. Love that stuff.
I only use it in moderation, only when needed and nothing over the top.
I have a physically demanding job and work nights. The exta pick me up is just what I need. I also take one before working out, its perfect.
ephedra is an herb. So its easier for me to feel better about taking this one in moderation. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2006 8:43:35 AM |
I only use it in moderation, only when needed and nothing over the top
ephedra is an herb. So its easier for me to feel better about taking this one in moderation.
OMG wake up and start realizing how dangerous ephedra really is.
the only reason it is allowed back on the market in a lot of areas is because they call it an "herb" and therefore cannot be regulated by the FDA.
It is one of the most dangerous "drugs" on the market today. Thousands of people die every year in the US and Canada from this drug. Thousands more are left disabled from it. I have heard stories from people that take ephedra only once in a while, and they have had very bad reactions to it and almost died.
So ask yourself one question --- is it really worth the risk? Just eat healthy and add some exercise to your daily routine, it'll do the same thing without such a high risk. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2006 10:05:00 AM | single lady...sigh
Ephedra is fine. Its an herb and usually the stem is used. Its been used for thousands of years.
Its not harmlful in any way unless misused. Or taken by someone who has obvious anxiety issues, high blood pressure or who use a MAO inhibitor.
Ephedra has been used for thousands of years to:
relieve congestion
helps relieve fluid buildup
relieves bronchial spasms
stimulates the CNS
Helps elevate mood
also useful for allergies, asthma, colds and other respiratory complaints. Also good for depression.
Ephedra also has phytochemicals. Beta carotene, ellagic acid and nutrients. Calcium, iron, magnesium, manganese, phosphorous etc etc.
Tada...imagine that.
The people you speak of who have almost died from it were obvioulsy people who shouldnt have taken it in the first place. They are responsible for their own safety and knowing what they can and cannot take. Research before you take anything into your body.
Or they simply took too much of it. Not a good idea to do that with anything. Points to temple. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2006 3:56:53 AM |
Ephedra is fine
Its not harmlful in any way unless misused
sorry i cant agree with that, there have been to many "coincidences" that people have died from ephedra to be safe. I have personally known people who have used it according to directions and have never had medical problems before they took it, and were left paralyzed and almost dead from the stuff.
The FDA wants consumers to believe it is safe and "all-natural" so they make more money from the sales of the stuff. If they were actually held responsible for some of the deaths they have caused maybe they would reconsider selling the stuff.
Its been used for thousands of years.
So have cigarettes, and not unless recent years did people clue in to just how dangerous they were. Our grandparents smoked, and people say they never died from smoking, so it is ok. The problem is that they did die from smoking, doctors just didn't make the connection until more recent years. It doesn't mean they are wrong does it??
Anyway, that is just my opinion. I do wish you the best of luck if you continue to use ephedra though, cause you're gona need it eventually. | |
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| Weight-loss OTC
Posted: 10/17/2006 8:34:05 AM | | Or you could just eat a little bit less and lose weight the old fashioned way without having to rely on pills. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2006 10:22:32 AM | | Thank you angel for a voice of reason...eventually you will have to go off any pills you have chosen. That is the classic yo-yo syndrome with pills & special foods. Change is hard & not much fun; but, if you're a grown-up, you already know how to lose weight. You need to change your dietary habits & increase your exercise (even if it is just walking around your house 15 times). Sorry. I realize there will probably be lots of angry responses to this "simplistic" answer.....but it really is simple. Not easy, or fun, or quick. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2006 10:32:43 AM | | in my personal experiance ephederine downgrades my athletic capeabilities- it increases heart rate and body temperature... I like to keep my heart pumping at an appropriate level... which is why i refused to touch hydroxycut, until I found out it was ephederine free, I just started it yesterday. It gave me huge boosts of energy. But if you want a cheap stack for working out i recommend ECA - Ephederine Caffiene and Asperine. Also I've had some luck with a product called HOTROX, I lost roughly 8 pounds off one bottle. BUT this was with running approximatly 4k a day. I also supplement with Animal pak, I put on roughly 20 pounds of muscle the first month i took this... Try it out! | |
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Posted: 10/17/2006 10:36:04 AM | I agree with the warnings about ephedra, it increases the heart rate so
much, it is like super caffiene. | |
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Lybbie
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Joined: 8/16/2006
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| Weight-loss OTC
Posted: 10/17/2006 10:51:32 AM | | I used to use ECA (Ephidrine, Caffiene, and ASA) and I also took diuretics, I managed to loose a lot of weight, and I got my 10k down to 38 mins, my goal was 35. This was all before I ended up in the ER. in AFib, and a potasium level of 1.3. Not good. Well after a stint in the hospital, and a visit to a nutritionist I will never go back to OTC DIEt anything. A healthy eating plan and regular exercise are the way to go. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2006 7:33:17 PM | Well....after years of unsuccessful weight loss attempts both healthy and OTC options, I finally found something that works great. Unfortunately I can't advertise it given that it's also a MLM by definition otherwise I'd share a link. However, I can say that's been 100% healthy for me. It's a combination of vitamins, a metabolism booster that's herbal but contains no ephedra, and the first appetite suppressant I've found that worked for me. I'm personally down 61 lbs since starting late in January. I dropped the first 50 lbs by July without having to excercise and just due to eating less and getting better nutrition with the vitamins. I just had all my physical and bloodwork, and it all tested better than it ever has.
SO.....is there a healthy option?? I have to say yes even though it took me over 10 years to find the right one for me. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2006 9:27:05 PM | I've droped my weight down from 250 to 218, Looking at me you can't tell but in the images that was when i weighed 226 approx, I recommend a high protien diet ( egg whites... chicken, ect ) coupled with cardio and weight training. More muscle the more your body will burn fat, which inturn causes more rapid fat loss. Heres the kicker, do weight training before cardio. This allows your body to burn off acidic energy while working out and to build muscle, then your cardio burns fat instead of muscle energy. The most important thing is to ensure you are following a healthy diet and to have patience. www.bodybuilding.com has an enourmous amount of information. But for dietary supplements i would not take them if i was drasticaly overweight with a bad heart - ect.
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REAL facts on ephederine
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Ephedra originally comes from a Chinese herb called "ma huang." It is a central nervous stimulant that is structurally similar to amphetamines. Ephedrine is the active ingredient in diet pills, over-the-counter decongestants, allergy medications, herbal energy boosters, and herbal asthma remedies.
The two main reasons that the consumer ingests ephedrine products are for athletic performance and/or weight loss. It is said to improve athletic performance by stimulating the central nervous system and increasing the heart rate. Ephedrine also suppresses the appetite and promotes weight loss by increasing substrate metabolism.
Consumers spent $1.3 billion on ephedra products in 2002. The FDA studied 140 ephedra users who had complications (heart attack, stroke, seizure, and death) between 1997 and 1999. It was found that 1/3 of the complications were probably caused by ephedrine. Another 1/3 was possibly caused by ephedrine and the other 1/3 was inconclusive. The FDA is currently taking action to require manufacturers of ephedrine supplements to place warning labels on their products about the risks of heart attack, seizure, stroke, and death.
Why you ask? becuase you take already unhealthy people who are consuming large amounts of a stimulant. I know people that have heartattacks from marijuana, my step fathers heart is set off by caffiene. It all depends on the person and how it effects them. Regardless from personal experiance i know i can perform better without massive stimulants. It all comes down to personal choice. If you want to shed a few extra pounds why not its your decision, if you feal anything such as heart palipatations QUIT lol... anyhow good luck | |
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Posted: 11/15/2006 4:54:33 PM |
if you feal anything such as heart palipatations QUIT lol...
If only things were that easy. It is often too late by that point.
There are other ways to lose weight. I joined a weight loss program that only focuses on portion control and the types of food I eat. I have been on it for 1 week and have already lost 6 pounds. It is a lot healthier and safer than any drug that you can take.
Good luck to all trying to lose weight | |
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Posted: 11/16/2006 1:31:30 PM | Just increase exercise. Weight loss is really a simple thermodynamic equation. burn more calories than you take in = weight loss. Drop your daily caloric intake by 200, and exercise more adn you should lose weight.
LOL at the guy who gained 20 pounds of muscle in a month., That is physically impossible. Unless you were on MASSIVE quantities of steroids, it would still be un-feasable.
Also avoid stuff like clen, that makes you heart grow, enlarged heart = bad. And t3 messes with your thyroid hormones. you dont want to do taht. | |
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mlell
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Joined: 11/3/2006
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| Weight-loss OTC
Posted: 11/18/2006 3:30:33 AM | | Well you could always do Meth or some other form of speed, that'll shed the pounds. But if your looking for healthy they watch what you eat and run run run run run | |
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Eno75
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Joined: 11/3/2006
Msg: 19 | |
| Weight-loss OTC
Posted: 11/18/2006 4:51:56 PM | THOUSANDS die from using ephedrine every year? Why not say millions?
Excuse me? I'd love to see where you pulled these numbers. Last I checked, nobody in Canada had died from using it- and maybe a few idiots with heart problems took so much their hearts exploded because they were cutting corners- But none I've heard of... especially since its been banned.
Please enlighten us... I'm not being 100% critical or disbelieving... perhaps it's time for me to update my knowledge on the product.
Eno. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2006 3:28:45 PM | | I would have to side with mlell and lucidness here (except for the meth of course). The best OTC...is to jump OTC...again and again...for about 20 minutes/day minumum. You'll notice an increase in your appetite. Just monitor your caloric intake. The weight will drop after you've initially converted excess fat to muscle. Your body will love you for it. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2006 1:51:36 PM | Just excercising and eating right is not enough for a lot of people to shed fat. They need outside help. Ephedra and other thermogenics are not that bad. The media hype is just so stupid surrounding stuff like this.
Please enlighten us with some actual numbers instead of fear-mongering and perhaps you will sway our minds.
(I just spent a few minutes searching Google for statistics on Ephedra suspected deaths and all I could come up with were a bunch of sensationalist sites about the "dangers" without and backup and a number of bodybuilding and supplement sites [obviously biased] with some rather well written articles and citations of studies coming off as proponents of Ephedra).
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anth28
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Joined: 9/28/2006
Msg: 22 | |
| Weight-loss OTC
Posted: 11/24/2006 4:29:43 PM | | There are many people who have shed plenty of fat without ephedra or other types of thermogenics. To suggest anyone should have to take such pills or even go for any type of surgery (as I have seen suggested in other threads) is irresponsible. Im not going to go into statistics or wether any of this is dangerous. Its a personal choice. However, we live in a society where we want the quick fix. We also live in a society where we want perfection and therefore hurt ourselves in the pursuit of an unrealistic ideal. The only people who would ever need to think of drastic measures are those who have serious medical conditions. Even then, they should be doing these changes under a doctors supervision. As to my own personal experience, I have used Ephedra. Many years ago I took an ECA stack which is a popular bodybuilding combination of Ephedra/caffine/aspirin in measured doses. Many bodybuilders swear by it and many use it without issue. However, when I took it, I experienced a frightening increase in heart rate and felt on edge all day long. These days, I rely on hard work in the gym and a sound, carefully monitored diet. I also guide myself with realistic expectations. I know most of the time, a 6 pack is either airbrushed or the result of fantastic genetics or years of hard work and discipline. For most of us, its just too much work to get to that level and stay at it. It is also interesting to note, that most bodybuilders spend most of their time in a bulking phase. This means they are putting on muscle and for the most part, their abs and such are not as defined as they are in the summer. Some of these guys even look pretty pudgy in the winter months. After they do what is called a cutting phase. This usually requires intensly strict dieting that one cannot keep up all year long. This is when everything is sharply defined. Great physiques are not built over night. They take years of hard work and sound knowledge of your own body and proper nutrition. Im not going to deny that many professionals use thermogenics to help them get down to those below 10% bodyfat ranges, but for the average person, its not necessary and really a waste of money. | |
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