| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 10:55:21 AM | | Bringing back frontier justice. A friend of mine told me he got robbed by four youths with a gun and when he called the police to report the crime they told him he shouldn't have been in that neighborhood...Another friend of mine mother is in a bored and care home where she is abused her son stuck her there after stealing all her money she called the police.."There's nothing we can do.." they say.. I have called them on occasion once after being a victim of identity theft and having found the crook myself and they gave me some lame excuse about how they could not do anything so I forced the issue and threatened to file a complaint and they harrassed me but I got the charges filed.. I own a scanner and I listen to calls for entertainment one time after a woman lost her son to an auto accident and she woman was understandably upset I heard the police refer to her as 5150, and threaten to lock her up, 5150 being emotionaly unstable...On the other side of the coin there are crimes aganist the police officers, judges, district attorneys and families of them..Crimes aganist them and theirs are usually solved quickly the criminal recieving heavy time or death for homicides....I understand police officers are stretched to the limits of sanity there is a very high level of stress in their jobs but that does nothing for a victim when a police officer tells them "Your in the wrong neighborhood." In my friends case he lives in that neighborhood..If police officers are not going to "Protect and Serve" they should find another line of work..they are payed to "Protect and Serve" the people not their own intrests...I am curious about how others deal with crime do you believe in our justice system? Or in your opinion is it just another waste of taxpayers money? Do you believe that police officers are glorified security guards who only "Protect and serve their own intrests? I know there's good lawenforcement personal out there tell us your opinion too.. I had two uncles that were cops both heros in Chicago one of them served his own intrests but he did the job..I personaly believe in frontier justice and the death penality in cases of homicide and or extreme cases of torture what are your opinions on this subject? Thank You... | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 12:07:24 PM | Byrd, by now you should know,Cop's protect their own and serve them selves to what ever you've got!!!
Invest in X-10 and I can hook you up with better toy'sthen the cops got.
See you have to arm your self with de facts,street crime is in your face,so you have to handle it covertly.
If the cop's don't see the crime in action they are powerless, so we must help them to see the crime in action.
If your rep provides them with a CD of the crime in action, what you will see is change.
I have 35 channels of my own private TV always watching.
My place is as it should be and if it's not???
Then the problem has been recorded and the offenders are being processed, THAT IS HOW IT IS DONE.
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 1:29:06 PM | | I know most cops are corrupt I'm intrested in other peoples opinions or experiences.. | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 3:52:29 PM | How do you know most cops are corrupt? You'd be suprised at how honest US Law Enforcement is compared to the rest of the world.
-Cana | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 4:17:06 PM | | I didn't compare them to the rest of the world although I'm sure your right about that. From what I have seen I think in my opinion most cops are corrupt. | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 6:18:01 PM | | Will what I see on a consistent basis is the police when called showing up and telling the complaintant " Will if you didn't live here...If you didn't work here...or if you didn't do that, whatever it is this would not happen to you.." Putting the ball in the victims court so they the police won't have to fill out a report and they can go their merry way...They make the victim feel guilty..Then they provoke others to get them to do something stupid I personaly saw a police officer take down a 60ish year old woman who smarted off to him and kick the crap outta her. And yes I said something I stood up to him and I got harrassed that's what happens and it doesn't happen to everyone it happens mostly to the poor..Homeless people witness it alot because they don't have a home..the police are not the only ones who seem to ignore justice district attorneys, and judges also....he or she with the most money wins... | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 6:29:46 PM | So you've seen only one instance where an officer did something heinous?
There are corrupt people in any system. However, they are a rarity in the American Justice system.
-Cana | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 6:32:30 PM | | BULLSHIT! What are you a cop? A rarity you gotta be kidding... | |
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Posted: 12/18/2004 6:36:41 PM | Nope.
By your own accord, you've only seen one instance of an officer "being corrupt." The rest is all heresay, none of which can be verified. Take that one instance and figure there is at least one similar cop in every city in America. How many cities are there? What is the total number of police officers the Federal, state, and local institutions?
Rarity would be the correct word.
-Cana | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 6:47:52 PM | | By my own accord I have chosen to share only one instance of police corruption that I have witnessed and that is all I will share I might as well cut off my balls and throw them in the drink if I was to share all that I have seen, rarity in your book may be the correct word maybe you choose to close your eyes to it I don't know but when it's in your face on a daily basis you cannot close your eyes to it. comment if you want tell me I'm full of crap if you want were not all going to agree I gotta eat and go to wqork, bye... | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 6:56:31 PM | | Man are you for real, no corruption. Get real man, You want some examples, I have been in many cars(driver and passanger) that have been pulled over for, fitting the discription, I didn't your seatbelt on, your tires are low you need to get air, and a few other excuses that police use when they see people of different color in the car. Mostly my frinds and I only get patted down, have our ID's, and plates ran, and then sent on, but there has been many times we a haved endured slurs, and a few of times we have been beat for "having smart mouths". We where never given tickets, and only once arrested for assult, we where hit first! I am not saying we have the most corrupt system, but we have a curropt system. | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 7:03:29 PM | Okay, I disagree Byrd.
So, let me get this straight. You were pulled over for valid reasons and you feel wronged because of it? You were "beat" for having a smart mouth? What did you say that made the cop take you out of the vehicle, knowing he had an automatic camera in his car, and "beat you?" For the times you endured slurs, did you file a complaint?
Oddly enough, I've never met a corrupt American cop. Though, I've met plenty of foreign ones that readily admit having "external income."
-Cana | |
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| Frontier Justice.... Please...(-;
Posted: 12/18/2004 9:31:21 PM | As I said,Byrd you need to come to Mohamed and I will hook you up...(-;
Byrd,I know some SBPD and yes they are the best that money can buy...(-;
But if you present them with a win,they will love you for it...(-;
You see if the cop dose not personally see the crime in action,he has nothing to go on and your word will not stand up in court...
BUT, VIDIO DOSE STAND UP IN COURT!!!
When you hand a COP VIDIO he will thank you,because you have just handed him a case he can win,also you have just made it possible for him to see the crime in action...(-;
Also,when you hand the COP a vidio, your out of it,because now the cop is reacting to his own first hand knowlage of the crime in action...(-;
Byrd,weather you know it or not your a grown up now,worthy of respect of and by the law and society...(-;
YES, POLICE OFFICER'S LIKE MONEY and for them BIG MONEY COMES FROM CONVICTION'S,so if you wish to buy some cop's??? (-:
Just hand the Conviction's on little silver CD's,and try to stay invisible...(-;
You may never grow to LOVE them and they may never grow to LOVE you,but they will grow to respect you and your space...
Byrd,even you can learn from an old outlaw... | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 9:37:45 PM | Just being a cop doesn't make someone honest.
As far as "frontier justice": NO.
We have courts and legal systems for the reason that they give common citizens a chance to defend themselves against unjust accusations.
The type of legal system you're talking about is where might equals right and believe me, the mighty are not always the righteous. In fact, the most violent people are usually the most UNrighteous of all.
The whole idea is stupid. | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/18/2004 10:26:38 PM | | The whole idea might be stupid to you but tell that to the man, who's wife just had her baby cut outta her. And what more than likleys gonna happen here is temporary insanity because the killer recently miscarried losing her baby..with that temporary insanity it's possible she will be free someday. Meanwhile this poor mans last vision of his wife is all cut up..Of course I'm asking for opinions here and I'm going to get them..lol. | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/19/2004 8:19:38 AM | byrd: It might make the man who's just had her baby cut out of her to see a person he IMAGINES to be the perpetrator of the crime punished like that... and if we could be sure it was, then it would be a just punishment...but what if it was the wrong person?
the problem is that when we're in a state of emotional duress like that, we're very likely to punish the wrong person. To find out who actually commits crimes is a science because people who commit crimes try to confuse us.
Try reading "Othello" by Shakespeare... | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/19/2004 11:18:06 AM | In the late 80's, after Nancy Regan got on tv and personally said that my hometown was the "meth and marihuanna capitol of the worls, per capita" there was an investigation of the police force and most if not all of them were fired. they were stealing drugs and weapons from the evidence locker and selling it to the mexican mafia, which runs up and down I-5 in oregon.
My mom was dating one of them at the time. His name was Rickl Carlton and he was as crooked as a mutherfckr. It happens all the time. We also have a cop that has sex with underage and married women, does meth himself and sh*t. We have the same tattoist if you can believe that. This cops name is MUNOZE and he is a piece of sh*t that i personally hate.
So, it happens all the time. Cops are people too. | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/19/2004 12:29:16 PM | | Elwood Blues: D.N.A. Is what 99.9 percent accurate that's good enough for me.. when I was a kid I ranaway from home stupid thing to do but I did it and I got picked up by a child molestor who would not let me go and was threatening to kill me unless I sucked him off...Well while trying to get away from him and slow him down I took his life, I did four years for it. A few years later while doing alittle time in S.B. county jail I throttled a serial killer rebreaking his nose it was originally broken in L.A. County jail He had taken the lives of 5 beautiful young women just starting out in their lives.. I pretty much went straight after that thanks to a couple of Santa Barbara cops I have had few negative experiences with cops myself..More recently I have had friends that have had bad experiences and there's always been corruption which is everywhere. Especally with the justice system where money buys justice unless you know the law and are not afarid of having your life ripped apart. Some people choose not to see the sh*t that goes on in our world as long as it doesn't involve them, they don't care...As our justice system becomes more corrupt, "bought and paid for" And our police become less intrested in To protect and serve the people I am looking for alternative ideas thoughts and opinions on taking care of my own..I am a non-violient man at this time in my life but it wasn't always that way, and I really don't know what I would do if someone hurt someone I loved but I would have to be sure it was the person before I did anything. | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/21/2004 1:38:52 PM | I think if someone did something to a loved one of mine, I'd probably be as wild and crazy as anyone... If I didn't find out who did it and I heard it was an arab, I'd probably want to go hurt some arab... if it was a black person, I'd probably go after one of them.. if I was black and I heard a white person hurt a loved one of mine, I'd want to do something to a white person...
All we have is rage and anger in a situation like that.
This is unfortunate for several reasons:
1) Some people must eventually be punished for criminal behavior; even if it's the wrong person. When society didn't have the tools it has now to find the guilty parties, even then we had to punish someone as a deterrent to more crime.
Before about 1950, when fingerprints were beginning to be used as forensic evidence, all we had to depend upon was people's word. Eyewitness testimony has been conclusively (and repeatedly) proven to be the most unreliable evidence. Psychology students have staged mock robberies in shopping malls and then come back with the person who pulled the robbery asking people if they'd remember the face of the robber and usually in 80% or more of the cases, the person says "YES", but then doesn't recognize the face of the person who's asking them....
2) The legal system is too big to give most people a fair trial.
Most suspected criminals in California can't afford a lawyer. They're given a public defender who is paid close to minimum wage for taking the case and tells them right off the bat: "If you're going to plead not guilty, good luck.... because I can't afford to go out and make a case to defend you. I've got to make a living and this doesn't pay me enough; so you'd better take one of these pleas or forget it!"
Unless you're a big time media item, that's all your going to get. most suspects are railroaded, or kept in jail so long they're actually punished for the crime before they ever get to the courtroom.
3) If police can't find a suspect who fits your descripition of who robbed you, they'll try to force you to pick one of the guys on their "list" of "bad guys" who've had legal problems other than your problem anyway. They'll figure rough justice is better than no justice and if you're so angry at a group of people because you can't recognize who did it, you'll probably pick one who's "close enough".
Anyway.... there are many times when the wrong person pays the price for a crime they didn't commit. That's my main point. | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/21/2004 2:54:04 PM | | There's something funny like that going on in my neighborhood these college kids just moved in near by their big tough guys I think they play football I'm not sure and a homeless guy got beat half to death the other night the homeless guy says they did it called the police and everything but the police are siding with the kids..Since that happened two homeless men have been beaten up both of them I.D. ed these guys..cops are not doing nothing, I bet if it was rich republicans the cops would be tripping over their tongues to solve the crime..I think though this is gonna get ugly not all these homeless guys are defenceless little drunks, many of them are parolies that have done hard time and they take care of their own..I see your point Elwood but as I watch our legal system and our society as a whole take a big Shit on the poor I am looking for other ways for justice to serve me.. | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/21/2004 5:15:25 PM |
So, let me get this straight. You were pulled over for valid reasons and you feel wronged because of it?
Valid reasons? How many grey 2000 volvo's do you think are used in crimes in sacramento everyday? How many crimanals look like my friend and I? Why don't I look like a crimanal when I am by myself, why is my volvo only similar to the one used in crimes when I have my black friends with me.
You were "beat" for having a smart mouth? What did you say that made the cop take you out of the vehicle, knowing he had an automatic camera in his car, and "beat you?"
We where already out of the car, because most of the time they have us get out so that they can pat us down for weapons, and the times we got beat what did we say, it went something like this everytime, "if you are part of the klan, do you get a raise?" or something along those lines.
For the times you endured slurs, did you file a complaint?
Yes, I got a great response to, " can you prove it. | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/21/2004 6:20:44 PM | Frontier Justice? Sure, put the power back into the people hands.
As for corrupt police.........Ive had good and bad experiences. Its the price we pay to have laws, which comes with people to enforce them.
Im in the reserves in a Military police unit. Im not a cop in the civilian world but I do train with them in my unit. Out of 32 of us there only 4 of us do something else in the civilian world.
In general yes they do have the God complex and forget they to are humans and they deal with humans. A gun and badge does NOT make you better than me or me better than you.
I have sat there on weekends and listened to their cop job stories, how they beat this guy or took this guy down. Its a terrible attitude. But not all of them are like that.
I for one signed on with that unit to change that type of attitude how I act and what I say may have a effect on them in and out of the military.
They also feel its us against them becuz there are quite a few out there that really hate them and remember they have big targets pointed on them wearing a uniform. They deal with some very bad people and even me in the reserves as a cop I dont even know if I will come back from a shift. Its a scary thought and theres alot of strange things your called to. doesnt make it right.
But if you feel the police in your area are truly bad or corrupt contact your local politicians, get signatures in the area, you can do something to change it. dont go in there hot headed or with a chip on your shoulder. Speak intelligently and calmly and be reasonable and look beyond into the bigger picture.
I do watch the show COPS and some of them really need to be removed from the force. knowing what I know now drilling as a cop, there is alot of over excessive abuse and some of them on TV should lose their jobs.
My personal dealings as a civilian, Ive lived in the city and out in the country. City cops have worse attitudes but deal with more dangerous issues (not a excuse). Country cops are more friendly and actually will wave to you as they drive by.
And as for not much corruption LOL come on you can not possibly believe that? With power big or small there is corruption comes with the territory | |
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| Frontier Justice....
Posted: 12/21/2004 10:33:12 PM | Very good post Casperlcaf I hope you consider lawenforcement as a career they need more cops like you. I used to be a bouncer years ago I'll tell you I'm a big guy but I got my a** kicked more than once. I was just a security guard but I got alittle taste of what cops endure especally when they took their time showing up to back me..I know there will always be corruption..It's been my experience that politicans as well as everyone else working in city adminstration cover each other, even the organazations protecting certain people like adult protective services turn their head the other way, but thank you for the suggestions I think I will move to a small town where theres a lake with plenty of fish in it, grow pot smoke it..and fish... | |
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