| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/19/2005 10:52:54 AM | | I have studied many religions and have come to the conclusion that the primary goal of each is to attain a state of divinity, or perfection. The paths are different, but the goal the same. My question here is--can divinity be attained while in a human body? I cannot disprove it, yet cannot prove it, either. My second question concerns Christians who believe in receiving a new body at the time of Christs return. I have heard that this will be a physical body that is perfected (having moved beyond the need for food,water,expulsion of waste,etc.) My question is: any ideas on what this body will be like? (PLEASE--don't tell me it's one of God's mysteries!!!!!) | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/19/2005 11:44:19 AM |
I have studied many religions and have come to the conclusion that the primary goal of each is to attain a state of divinity, or perfection.
It's the common factor between all religions...I beleive it's why religion was started in the first place, that and to give people "comfort" that when they die...there is something to look forward to afterwards.
The paths are different, but the goal the same
Bingo.
My question here is--can divinity be attained while in a human body?
No. Just my opinion however. LOL To recieve such a state would imply that you are perfect and without fault...and that's just impossible....
As for your second question...I have no idea... | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/19/2005 11:49:28 AM | | Thanks for the input, sweetreat. The reason I asked the first question is because Buddhism in particular claims that it is possible but doesn't quite anwser every question of how. | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/19/2005 11:54:29 AM |
Thanks for the input, sweetreat. The reason I asked the first question is because Buddhism in particular claims that it is possible but doesn't quite anwser every question of how.
I'm just learning about Buddhism myself...and I don't think that one can every reach that level. Thats just me. I think we can if we strive reach a level like no other...and we can reach a certain level of peace, a level of love and purity...but perfection won't ever be obtained. | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/19/2005 11:57:06 AM | | sweettreat- -Not ever, in any capacity? I believe you can in spiritual form, that's easy. But in a physical body--- it leaves a lot of unanswered questions. As far as Buddhism, may I suggest reading the Dalai Lama's books--they are probably some of the best out there. | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/19/2005 12:10:38 PM | | Nope not ever...even spiritually. The reason being is this: First and foremost we are humans. To reach perfection means that you must no fault at all..that includes a desired lust, never judging anyone, morality, good conduct or anything, I just think somewhere along the line you'd do something that would knock you off of your "perfect exsistance", mind you that's just my opinion. | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/19/2005 12:11:54 PM | I think the goal is to recognize the divinity, or existing perfection, that is hidden from men's minds by their imperfect ideas. That is, language as a model falls short of reality. Transcendence is for getting past the limitation to observe directly the glory of God. In this sense, we do not seek to create so much as learn to let our intellect lapse. Mine does all the time, but not always to good effect.
What does the tradition of religion help us know about life? | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/19/2005 12:42:15 PM | Good question,
I am not 'Christian' nor do I follow any paths but by own, so I do not present my self as a
' Christian' and know the answer to your second question, however, I would like to reply to this and say, if I was to move beond to such a state of being, then I would be inclined to think, that I would be one with it all, one with the universe, one with energy , one with., and not have any form, but to be in all forms at once.
I am divine just the way I am, even with all my Sh*t, In knowing that, I have reached 'divinity'. so yes !
If I was to think 'divinity' was anything other than that, then I would be rushing to some kind of end, suffice to say, for me, there is no end, or begining, only to keep exploring the divine me, the divine gift that alows me to exist.
And thats enough. | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/19/2005 3:35:52 PM | | Our new bodys will be incorruptable....just like Jesus'. We will be able to pass through things, We will revert back to the days of our youth, appear and dissapear at will, travel great distances in a blink of and eye, move from one dimension to another. And we will be able to eat for enjoyment purposes. | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/21/2005 9:43:51 AM | Some people see the box as open, others see the box as closed.
Can be difficult to change a dogs' spots... | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/21/2005 9:57:41 AM | I think the goal is to recognize the divinity, or existing perfection, that is hidden from men's minds by their imperfect ideas. That is, language as a model falls short of reality.
I agree ... "very well put". Most things that we see (dare I say all) in our physical world are made of/from unseen things, "hidden" ... perfection .... amazing really. "Heaven" is hidden from men's mind by their imperfect idea of "heaven". The scriptures describe it as "paved with streets of gold" but this description is used by language of what we deem as "valuable" (mans imperfect idea) and thereby "falls short of the reality". | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/21/2005 2:26:38 PM | Perfection is impossible for a human being, but that doesn't mean I won't try anyway. Everything in this life is shades of gray, decisions have good and bad concequences. But by striving towards something that brings about the best in humankind, we make the world a better place.
As for the second coming, maybe he comes back as a robot? That would be sooo cool. | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/21/2005 6:36:45 PM | | I absolutely don't think it will be a physical body. We will see it as a physical body, but in fact it will be spiritual. I don't think God would limit us with a physical body. In the next life, we will be able to travel just with thought, so a physical body would be too limiting. I believe that when others see us, it will appear to be a physical body, but it will only in reality be spiritual. I know through reading the scriptures that it will be asexual in nature ie; we won't be either male or female just as the angles were and are. At least we will have the memory of sexuality. The angles have never been one sex or the other, so they don't know what they missed, negatively or positively. Tracy (buccaneer38) | |
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| Can you think outside the box?
Posted: 11/21/2005 9:23:40 PM | can divinity be attained while in a human body?
First off, I am going to go on the basis that divinity means perfection, since you stated this earlier (since that isn't my definition). My answer would be yes & no. The problem with the question & any subsequent answer is that the basis (perfection) is a concept. My "perfect" isn't necessarily the same as another's "perfect". Take for example Grpla's version of a perfect body.
Our new bodys will be incorruptable....just like Jesus'. We will be able to pass through things, We will revert back to the days of our youth, appear and dissapear at will, travel great distances in a blink of and eye, move from one dimension to another. And we will be able to eat for enjoyment purposes.
So, by this, does this mean I'm already partially perfect because I enjoy eating?  This isn't my view of perfection. So then, who becomes right? No one does, because both "perfects" are perceptions based on underlying rules &/or parameters. Once the rules are taken away, the perceived fact is taken away & the concept is revealed. Such as: 2+2=4. Some would look at this & say that it is a fact. Well, if we take away the rules of addition & replace them with different rules, we sudden get a much different result. If we changed the rules so that a plus sign means to put the numbers next to one another, we get "2+2=22". etc.
The way I look at things is more of a journey towards my version of perfection. I have my personal vision of what I want to be to be perfect. So, I spend my time working toward those goals. So, is it attainable? It depends on what you want to be perfect. | |
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