| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/22/2005 9:57:54 PM | | The topic of Satan comes up a lot in the forums, as does the potential for many non-believers to go to hell (which, depending on who you ask, is a catagory everyone can fit into). Which brings up an interesting point of logic. In order for a person to believe in hell, they have to believe in the religion. By believing in the religion, generally people assume they will be ascending the stairway to heaven. Since it is only believers who have hell as a deterrent for their sins, what is the point of telling non-believers they will be going to hell for not believing? Is it even possible for someone to believe that they are going to be going to hell? Or does hell only exist as a place you were going before you found (insert favorite here)? | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/22/2005 10:00:41 PM |
what is the point of telling non-believers they will be going to hell for not believing?
I view it as a scare tactic some use. Telling someone that they will spend an eternity in a hot firey place with magots as your bed...isn't such a pretty picture is it?
Is it even possible for someone to believe that they are going to be going to hell?
Well you nailed it kind of right... if you are truly beleiving in hell you probably are on the other side of the fence LOL
Or does hell only exist as a place you were going before you found (insert favorite here)?
I think most would go with that...although I kind of like the idea that hell is our present state. It's here on earth...we live it...we try to learn from it...and when we die we go on to greater things. Hrm...yeah. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/22/2005 10:25:31 PM | | The Bible refers to hell as the grave The Jews believe it is the separation from God. I'm inclined to agree with them. The fiery place described in the Bible is the lake of fire and it is were death , hell and the ones who's names are not written in the book of life will be destroyed. We are all going somewhere when we die. There are many who claim to have had near death experiences some claim to go to Heaven some even to Hell. Simply saying that they do not believe this does not make it any less true or false for that matter. I have often wondered who's names would or would not be in the book. I have often thought the ones who would not be there would be the Nephilim or Half Angel half human. If that is the case we pretty much all would go. I am a father and I know there is nothing my children could do to make me leave them behind. I have too much love for them for that to happen. I know I could never love them as much as God loves all of us. So maybe we all get to go. God did show Peter a veil with all matter of living things in it. And he told him to kill them and eat them. And Peter said not so lord for they are unclean. Then God said let no man call unclean what I have cleansed. Could this possibly apply? I would like to think so. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/22/2005 10:28:53 PM |
the fiery place described in the Bible is the lake of fire and it is were death , hell and the ones who's names are not written in the book of life will be destroyed. I can't recall where exactly, but in the Old Testament there are many verses referring to destroying a person. If hell is forever, and so is heaven, is it possible that one can simply be destroyed....with no after life ? | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/22/2005 10:34:07 PM | Maybe. The Old Testament refers to "Sheoul", which is "the grave".
I think most peoples idea of Hell is Greek in origin and not the Christian view. Though the Bible does mention "the Lake of Fire", I think seperation from God will be more horrible than one might think and would be the destination of the unsaved. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/22/2005 10:35:20 PM | | When it mentions forever in this sense it is simply meaning there is no time. God is a loving God and it is not his will that any should suffer. Knowing this I believe he will destroy in order to end the suffering. He did create life he could certainly destroy it. Making it non existent so to speak. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/28/2005 8:28:33 PM | It isn't pride, Motif. A child believes anything you tell him. A child believes in the easter bunny. I am a man now, and I know that men lie. Men are not perfect. (Women are in there too, BTW). Your words are the words of a man, and I do not trust them implicitly. If I am jaded, it is because of all the different ways I have been told I could be going to hell, the myriad reasons and excuses wore thin, and then the underlying reasoning behind a religion's hell became apparent. You don't understand this, because you think you know God.
When you start to understand why you fear and why you believe, you can never be a child again. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/28/2005 8:53:42 PM | Monotheism is very successful for many reasons.
The reason that fits this topic is motivation.
When christians, for instance, go out into thier "mission field," thier purpose is
to save souls. These um, people, are sometimes armed with guns, sometimes
with bibles, sometimes with good sense.
I'd say you win more souls with the first two.
Both inspire fear.
A very strong motivator.
Fear of what?
Death, torture, imprisonment, and.....(drum roll please!)....HELL!!!
Who in their right mind wouldn't be afraid of hell?
If you believe in hell, what other motivation do you need?
If you can get that chasm of pain and torment painted well enough into
someone's mind, thier "soul" will follow.
Score another one for team Jesus!
It's fear, I repeat, fear, that motivates people to follow "the one true god."
You get scared enough, for long enough, it can feel just like love.
Ask any victem of abuse. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/28/2005 9:01:26 PM | Hell:
SHEOL used in the old testament, meaning "grave"
HADES, the greek word for the underworld, the realm
of the dead, it is the word used in the new testament for Sheol.
GEHENNA was named after the valley of Hinnom near Jerusalem
where children were sacrified by fire to the pagen gods (Kings 23;10, 2 Chronicles 28:3).
This is a place of eternal fire (Mark 9:43) prepared for the devil,
his angels and all those who do not believe in God
(25:46 Revalation 20:9,10). This is the final and eternal state of the wicked.
Does anyone have a reason for not believing in God ? NO. God has revealed his exsistance in his creation. Every person therefore either accepts or rejects God (see Romans 1:18-20).
How could a loving God send someone there?
Hell is an eternal seperation from God.... why would a non believer care?
God is the source of all life and hope and life without God, brings death.... or
eternal seperation from God.
I'm not going to hell. I have known people who know they are. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/28/2005 9:55:58 PM | | I don't quite understand the "burning forever" in hell concept, I'm not sure I see the point of an eternity of punishment for those to refuse to accept God. I can understand eternal destruction in that once the soul is destroyed in hell then it never comes back to life as its gone for good. That makes more sense to me. But I have to admit the bible does claim eternal torment..Maybe our translations are not up to snuff on this area. There are Christian groups that believe everybody will be given the chance to repent after death.. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/28/2005 10:07:17 PM | | My question would be why wait till then? What could it possiably hurt? I believe hell is the seperation from God the torment would come from this seperation plusw you would be their with all sorts of things you would just rather not want to be around. I also believe you will eventually be destroyed. It say's "death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire and will be destroyed" I personally do not think a loving God would let you suffer forever just because you chose not to believe thi is why I believe the way I do. Plus it is written | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/28/2005 10:20:06 PM | | I'm interested in the hell not being a place but rather a separation from God, and the possibility of a souls destruction rather than eternal torment. Is this the teachings of a specific religion? | |
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Joined: 1/8/2005
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/28/2005 10:33:20 PM | can understand eternal destruction in that once the soul is destroyed in hell then it never comes back to life as its gone for good. That makes more sense to me. But I have to admit the bible does claim eternal torment..Maybe our translations are not up to snuff on this area.
If you look at what the bible says you will see that the devil and his angels and the non believer's will be burned up, to dust they will be no more. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/28/2005 11:05:27 PM | I don't get how there can be so many Christian religions
teaching so many different things.... from
the bible. The meanings get slurred in so many translations
and
it can all seem like babble with the
many different perspectives... which some of the
perspectives may
only be a way to fill the church pews with paying
customers..... and nothing to do with God.
Best thing to do is get a
study bible and do some research on topics to get
a better grasp on the messages for yourself and not
leave it up to someone else. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/29/2005 12:53:40 AM | Well...I am a muslim
and proud of it.
I know dat of late we ve been getting really bad PR...U c.. all those suicide bomber believd in d promise of heaven..
I cant say whether they r goin to heaven or not, dat is between them and God but I cant believe any God will allow such ppl in.
And I ve trouble believing dat d same God will sent three quater of d world to hell just because we re praying to him in different ways.. | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/29/2005 1:00:13 AM | | ^^^^ dianalin...anyone with half a brain knows that the suicide bombers are NOT true representations of Islam...so don't worry! And I agree with your last statement of "we are praying to him in different ways". | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/29/2005 9:18:19 AM | | I've noticed in many previous posts the use of the words "forever", "eternal" in describing the length of time accorded to "hell". Perhaps more hope will be given if the translated word of "ages" be used as the length of time accorded to "hell". Ages has a beginning and an end and therefore hell is not "forever" nor is it "eternal". | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/29/2005 9:32:54 AM | | That's not an actual pic of my drumset, but its close--same color, minus one of the smaller toms, and then a completely different cymbal setup. If there is a God (and I believe there is), he/she/it likes to hear people make some noise! | |
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/29/2005 9:39:32 AM | --...don't get how there can be so many Christian religions teaching so many different...---
They are trying to scare each other! It's not enough to pick on non-christians! When the pagans and the wiccans and the agnostics laugh at fundamentalist christians hollering hellfire and brimstone, they turn on other christians in hopes of inspiring fear. Fear. 
-----...fill the church pews with paying customers...------
That's right, fishies. The more vicious element of this cult find a way to profit from the fear they inspire. It's calculated, it's brilliant, and it's wrong.
----....get a study bible and do some research on topics to get a beter grasp ....------
Yuh. That's the answer. I've read posts by people well versed in bible facts, AND OTHER CHRISTIANS SUGGEST THAT IT'S SATAN!!!! They counter knowledge of their own book with more- you guessed it- fear. They claim that the devil will quote the bible front to back because he will have extensive knowledge.
Okay. Off of my soap box. This is so long it probably got skimmed anyway. On to something positive.
Dianalin- I like you more and more every day. Glad you spoke up on this one. Good to see ya.
Sweety- Good morning!
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| Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/29/2005 9:40:56 AM |
I have Musili friends and they love me and I love them, we have no hatred because of our different religions
So motif...you are Grod, correct? I mean after all...you started that thread a few weeks back in regards to "all muslims being terrorists" and....you are the only one that refers to muslims around here as musli.... I know you got banned and all...but seriously..at least change your writing styles and wording if you want to try and "pull one over" on all of us. | |
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