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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 2 | |
| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/27/2005 4:55:39 PM | | I think they were liberated. I don't understand why God would punish them. He says in Genesis 3:22 "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil." They didn't even know what they were doing was wrong, yet are punished for learning the difference. | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/27/2005 5:05:47 PM | | The "serpent" tempted Eve. Eve tempted Adam. But it all had to happen in order for Gods plan for the Earth to move forward. | |
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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 6 | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/27/2005 6:33:38 PM | | The serpent was a symbol of the goddess Ashterah (El's consort in Caananite mythology). So was the date tree. Ashterah was also known by the name Eve. With this in mind it becomes apparent that the Garden of Eden story was an allegory about the evils of Ashterah worship. | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 10:03:38 AM | Of course god is not all powerfull, nor is he al seeing. In genesis, he walks through the garden of Eden looking for Adam an Eve but cant find them because they are hiding and then has tro ask them to come out so he can see them. (god wanted to look on thier naked bodies!!!! perv!)   | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 11:58:38 AM | | the alternate version of that story portrayed eve as the savior of mankind, with the serpent as her advisor, and that her only failing was that she couldn't get the fruit of the tree of life. the serpent has long been a symbol of wisdom, which is why it is on the cadeusus - the symbol for medicine. it is also a symbol of eternity - the serpent eating its own tail. ever heard of the worm of the world's end? the snake was also a symbol of wisdom to the druids, who used it as one of the main symbols of their orders. remember the legend of st. patrick? how he drove the "snakes" out of ireland? what he actually did was participate in the mass-murder of a lot of druids. | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 12:19:03 PM | | The snake is a misunderstood creature; the bible does it an injustice for using it as something ghastly when in reality it's beautiful. Try reading the D.H. Lawrence poem "Snake" to see what I mean. | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:10:56 PM | | really dig snakes. used to have a few of them. sold them because they are too high maintenance. you have to handle them a lot. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:28:58 PM | If anything *had* to happen, then God is not all powerful.
I think it did need to happen just so other created beings would know what sin can do.
now if it starts to rise again God can just wipe it out. If he did that at when the devil sined, just wiped him out I think some of the angels might of said hmm could he have been right. But now they can see what sin does. | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:35:31 PM | Actualy if something HAD to happen, that would be in support of god being omnipotent. As if something HAS to happen, then no force can stop it, and if it was part of gods plan then that means that god made it happen and so no force can prevent gods plan.
(please tell me you understand that!) | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:42:48 PM | | Bright--nice argument. It's pretty good. There is the possibility, however, that most of the bible is metaphor and analogy. And it is possible that God exists outside of Time. If God does, then the omnipotence vs. omniscient problem becomes even more complex, but it clears other things up. You should read some philosophy of religion. Some of it is really difficult--logically and philosophically. The funny thing about the subject is that some people try to prove the existence of God . . . and all of religion is based on faith, not fact. I have no idea why anyone would want to prove his existence. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 18 | |
| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:43:30 PM | No i dont..lol
Not just angels but everything he made. Paul says we are a theater to the universe.
not pawns eather for we will benefit from all this as well. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 19 | |
| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:47:20 PM | I have no idea why anyone would want to prove his existence.
I dont know why any one would not want God to exist.
exept for the fact that they would be held accountable for what they do in this life. | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:50:08 PM | Now see god living outside of time dose become a bit of a problem with omniscience because, for a start it means that god would know exactly what we are all going to do in the future, and as she started everything off perfectly, then that would meen we are doing exactly what she wanted us to and ergo no free will. ("and If I have no free will then how can I be moraly culpable?")
however if she can not see everything, then that is a limit to the powers of god and so therefore god could not be omnipotent. Its kinda a cach 22. (the god creating a rock so big that she canot lift it is a logical falicy by the way as that would require god to be constrained to the world of phisics which she evidently is not.) | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:50:43 PM | | it is possible to have a sense of right and wrong without the threat of damnation. some people actually do the right thing because it's the right thing to do. the implication behind your statement is that people who don't believe, do not because they want to be assholes and get away with it. this is not true. | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:52:11 PM | | If everything that happens during life is part of gods' plan, which is suppossedly perfect... Then what would anyone have to answer for? | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:55:35 PM | It's not quite that simple, unfortunately, Bright. I really think you should read some of this stuff, as I can't explain it as well as I'd like (and it's been a number of years since I wanted to do mental gymnastics of this subject). If you really enjoy thinking about this sort of thing, you'd like philosophy of religion. And the cool thing about it is that since the subject is approached from philosophy's perspective, so you won't get any dogmatic crap from the bible.
I'll see if I can't find a good book on this.
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This one is short and sweet and it can give you some good references for further study on particular subjects:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0534574254/102-1131511-1856927?v=glance&n=283155&%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance
I've got it at home. It should be more than enough to make you think: I still have no idea what hell is going on with the universe. But it's still fun! | |
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:56:54 PM | Exactly JackSmerkingRevenge, but if we do have something to answer for, then god it is not part of gods perfect plan and so she is not omniscint and omnipotent. You see why it is a catch 22? If you belive in it, then there is no answer one way or the other.
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| The Snake... Evil or Misunderstood?
Posted: 11/28/2005 3:04:22 PM | JacksSmerkingRevenge wrote:
In the Garden of Eden myth, did the Snake trick Adam and Eve, or liberate them? Discuss...
Much can be learned from that snake. It was there to teach them about life. | |
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